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Balanced View of Hindu-Sikh Shaster Vidiya


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Guys, there are two extremes in the panth both extremes are bad.

Right Extreme mindset within singh sabha mindset you have types which are influenced by protestant/bhausaria mindset who hate everything remotely close to puratan/puratan samparda's like- nihangs/nirmale/udasi/sevapanthis/taksal, they call everything bhraminvaad because their sensors are too high yet they have no problem sleeping with protestants/bhausaria thought- following georgian calendar/wear trousers/shirt and speak queens english, celebrating birthday for their kids, go against rakhri but celebrate christmas, go to gurdwara on sundays, sing god's name as if they are singing hallelujah, their attack is apparent against - sri dasam granth- throwing sri dasam granth sahib out of darbar, bhagata di bani, bhai gurdas ji etc.

Left Extreme mindset - nihang niddar singh group and co, thinkin sikhs are hindus, alchohol is ok call it panj ratani and we are just part of snantan dharam despite of sant gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale/bhai vir singh ji clearly re-iterating the gurmat message and lay out- boundaries of khalsa... they are staunchly against singh sabha call them all disgusting labels as malech etc, their twisted mindset is - anything that is puratan be it tradition or thought automatically is Gurmat instead of weighing puratan ideals with gurbani or calling gurmatta sarbat khalsa meeting for all scholars from both thoughts to come up with collective agreement..!!

Best thing we can all do is avoid both mindset above like a plaque and be in central/neutral- see gurmat/khalsa via eyes of sant gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale mixture with bhai vir singh ji works and works of bhai kahn singh nabha and acknowledge the dangers of going one extreme to another. As we have live examples of sikhs on cyber space how they revolted and gone to one extreme to another extreme in no time.

The close associates of nihang niddar singh like narsingha and co were actually one point part of right wing thought. They revolted went totally like left wing and hijack the nihang bana and gurmat to fight their own silly tribal wars..just like we have partakh example in cyber space- harjas kaur khalsa who used to be on extreme right but after hearing extreme right parchar and posting extreme right parchar for so long, she revolted went on extreme left. Now you will find her posting on rss websites, she was banned last year from my own forum- sikhawareness.com

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So every Sikh should make it their duty to be train in combat arts along with their spirituality...do both but dont neglect either.

Agreed.

I just think in general there is a lack of martial Sipahi spirit in the Panth rather not not learning specifically what is being called SV.

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just added another article describing a publication by Nidar from 1998 where he states that the original ancient art was Chatka Gatka

he writes

Nihang oral tra­di­tion holds when Guru Nanak went to Sach Khand ( Gods True court ) and received Shabd Vidya ( Know­ledge of holy word ) from Vahguru . He then also recieved Kshtriya Vidya ( Chatka Gatka) from Vahguru Mahakal.… Thus like Bani (Sikh scrip­tures ) Chatka Gatka is also Dhur Dee Vidiya ( Know­ledge dir­ect from Vah Guru ). Hence any crup­tion or delib­er­ate alter­a­tion of it in Akali Nihang eyes is a great evil. (Niddar Singh, The Fight­ing Tra­di­tions And Fight­ing Arts Of The Tra­di­tional Sikh War­ri­ors” 1998)

so Chatka Gatka came from Akaal Purkh according to niddar in 1998 but after reading and learning a bit more it is now Shastar Vidiya and chatka gatka has disapeared. If something is that ancient why did it go through so many name changes and why did you have to find or decide upon a new name? and why isnt shiv akhara and snatan used in 1998.

maybe because Nidar hadn't incorporated it yet into his made up art which is loosely BASED on information about ancient arts.

you can read the full article here

http://www.shastervi...an-ancient-one/

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ਕਾਹੂ ਦਸਾ ਕੇ ਪਵਨ ਗਵਨ ਕੈ ਬਰਖਾ ਹੈ ਕਾਹੂ ਦਸਾ ਕੇ ਪਵਨ ਬਾਦਰ ਬਿਲਾਤ ਹੈ ।

Just as wind blowing from a particular direction causes rain while another direction blows the clouds away.

ਕਾਹੂ ਜਲ ਪਾਨ ਕੀਏ ਰਹਤ ਅਰੋਗ ਦੋਹੀ ਕਾਹੂ ਜਲ ਪਾਨ ਬਿਆਪੇ ਬ੍ਰਿਥਾ ਬਿਲਲਾਤ ਹੈ ।

Just as drinking some water keeps the body healthy while some other water causes one to fall sick. It troubles the patient no end.

ਕਾਹੂ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਕੀ ਅਗਨਿ ਪਾਕ ਸਾਕ ਸਿਧਿ ਕਰੈ ਕਾਹੂ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਕੀ ਅਗਨਿ ਭਵਨੁ ਜਰਾਤ ਹੈ ।

Just as the fire of a house helps in cooking but the fire raged in another house burns the house to ashes'

ਕਾਹੂ ਕੀ ਸੰਗਤ ਮਿਲਿ ਜੀਵਨ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਹੁਇ ਕਾਹੂ ਕੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਜਮੁਪੁਰਿ ਜਾਤ ਹੈ ॥੫੪੯॥

Similarly someone's company liberates, while other's company leads one to hell. (549)

ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ : ਕਬਿੱਤ ੫੪੯ ਪੰ. ੪

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for some reason the post on sikhsangat about the Offical letter from Nihang Jathedars excommunicating Nidar has gone, does any of the admin know where it has been moved to or why it has been taken down?

im sure its just a glitch but can you look into it please

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for some reason the post on sikhsangat about the Offical letter from Nihang Jathedars excommunicating Nidar has gone, does any of the admin know where it has been moved to or why it has been taken down?

im sure its just a glitch but can you look into it please

I think the mods closed it. Perhaps just post it here?

Probably closed it because of the arguments going on.

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Gidar's opinion on a real lion Baba Kulwant Singh: 'The riled up crowd, over whom even the Jathedar had no con­trol, we were deal­ing were clearly fools.' This was after Gidar and his bum-chum apologised for this comment: The recent devel­op­ment worked com­bined with their Jathedar’s lack of fight­ing spirit.......Please forward to Takht Hazur Sahib.

kryptoniteletter_sarblodotcom.jpghttp://www.shastervidiya.org/letter-from-nihang-jathedars-excommunicated-niddar-singh-exclusive/

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