Mixed marriages are better than pushing Sikhs away.

[Guest]

Vichola: putt Bittoo

Bittoo: hanji

Vichola: tu nashe karda?

Bittoo: kadi kadi office de mundeya naal kar lenna

Vichola: viah ton baad vi karenga?

Bittoo: nai karunga jee

Vichola: Jennifer darling...sorry, daughter

Jennifer: ummm, yes?

Vichola: you drink tobacco?

Jennifer: excuse me?

Bittoo: he is asking if you smoke

Jennifer: oh, no I don't

Vichola: good girl, do you drink the Black Label?

Jennifer: actually I am more into Bud Light

Vichola: kee kehndi aa eh?

Bittoo: kadi kadi pee lendi aa

Vichola: No, after the mai-rage you no drink the Black Label or Red Label or Yellow Label

Jennifer: hmmmm, I'll give it a shot

Vichola: ok good, what about meat?

Jennifer: yes I do eat meat

Vichola: is it from American shop or Indian

Jennifer: obviously American

Vichola: so it is jhatka?

Bittoo: hanji

Vichola: tenu nai puchheya kudi nu bol lain de

Bittoo: just say you don't eat from an Indian shop

Jennifer: I eat the American style meat

Vichola: after mai-rage no chicken

Jennifer: what? you gotta be kidding!

Vichola: kee kehndi? kissing?

Bittoo: eh kehndi meat nai shadd sakdi, ehnu doctor ne keha khaan nu

Vichola: Jennifer, in our religion the god is the biggest doctor

Jennifer: ok whatever...just get this thing over with honey

Bittoo: hang on sweetheart we're almost done...hor kuch puchhna tusi?

Vichola: aaho, meri fees kithe aa?

MEGA-LOL

[proactive]

So two Sikhs who smoke, drink etc are happily allowed to marry in a Gudwara but when a Sikh who wants to stay within his or her religion and wants to get the blessing of their Guru and their partner is happy to do the same we should push them away?

This is the problem. The ones who want a free for all with any Tom, <banned word filter activated> or Harry able to have an Anand Karaj at the Gurdwara want to point at those Sikhs who might be monay or drink and smoke are also allowed to have an Anand Karaj.

The thing to consider is this-;

1. What is the likelihood that these monay who have an Anand Karaj will take to the Sikhi lifestyle in future and become Keshadhari and then Amritdhari?

and

2. What is the likelihood that some gora or other non-Sikh will come to Sikhi because he was allowed to have an Anand Karaj against the teachings of Guru Gobind Singh as well as the Akal Takht?

Are we willing to go against Guru Gobind Singh and Akal Takht in the hope that some non-Sikh will come to Sikhi? For me there is more chance of number 1 happening than number 2 and plus with number 1 we still adhere to the Guru's instructions.

[lsingh]

The Punjabi communist types who jump to attack Sikhs are silent when it comes to Hindus, Muslims, Christians and Jews who prohibit cross religion marriages.

Today is the anniversary of one of the biggest massacres since the Jewish holocaust. Have the communist types done anything to get justice for them? Have they called in to Nihal and said this is one of the biggest crimes in the world? Do they remmeber that their communist colleagues took part in the genocide by forming death squads with the Police? They seem to be only self haters.

[Cisco_Singh]

Both angles are correct and need addressing:

1. Monay, smokers, drinkers who happen to be born into Sikh families are still performing beadbi to some level by having an Anand Karaj. Firstly they are non-compliant with at least 2 of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Hukams. To live your life as a Keshdari Sikh, and not to give a duaghters hand to a clean shaven. Also this whole concept of the groom shiould have Singh in his name etc..is all a cover up... You cannot be a Singh without taking Amrit . How did Guru Gobind SIngh Ji become a Singh ? He was kniown as Gobind Rai before taking Amrit...therefore if even the Guru has shown us that without taking Amrit and joining the Khalsa your not technically a Singh...It's a like a Knighthood you earn it..yuo cant use the title by default

2. Mixed Marriages the issue is clear, it doesnt even warrant discussion, Theres an Akal Takht Hukamnama on the issue, end of story if you dont like it get married in a registry office. You cant bend Sikhi rules and regulations to suit yourself just because you dont have the strength of character to follow the path. Sikhi is a path where YOU have to make sacrifice not expect to be able to bend rules and carry on dioing whatever you feel like.

[Singh, Mahan]

It has generally been observed that in most of the interfaith marriages the couples have two ceremonies.- one in Gurdwara, and after that the other according to the religion of the other partner. In the second ceremony it is assumed that the Sikh partner has converted to the faith of the other. Without conversion the ceremony of the other faith is not performed. It is also observed that the ceremony of the other faith is conducted after the ceremony in Gurdwara. This is done intentionally so the Sikh partner does not convert back to Sikhi. Parents of the Sikh partner also foot the bill for the lavish receptions/ parties that follow such weddings. In my view, in doing so the parents are essentially celebrating the conversion of their child to the faith of the other partner.

Back to the original subject of the thread, Question arises, what are the chances of the non Sikh partner to adopt Sikhi or let the Sikh partner to come back to Sikh full fold later (especially when one of the partner is a Sikh girl)? And what are the chances of their children ever becoming Sikhs?

[Cisco_Singh]

" Back to the original subject of the thread, Question arises, what are the chances of the non Sikh partner to adopt Sikhi or let the Sikh partner to come back to Sikh full fold later (especially when one of the partner is a Sikh girl)? And what are the chances of their children ever becoming Sikhs? "

Very low is the answer very high probability their Kids will be monay as well and bacause the parents lack any knoweldge, direction or faith they are likely to pass on the same failures to their children. It's not benefitting the Sikh community in the long run at all.

[innergear]

This is wher we are goin rong. I tell you wo is happening. . . . We are being diluted into british society. :(The next generation of mix marriage ppl will have next to no identity at all ! They wil b the coconuts bounty bar . The end his nigh.

[VanHelsingh]

" Back to the original subject of the thread, Question arises, what are the chances of the non Sikh partner to adopt Sikhi or let the Sikh partner to come back to Sikh full fold later (especially when one of the partner is a Sikh girl)? And what are the chances of their children ever becoming Sikhs? "

Very low is the answer very high probability their Kids will be monay as well and bacause the parents lack any knoweldge, direction or faith they are likely to pass on the same failures to their children. It's not benefitting the Sikh community in the long run at all.

Yes, this is what it boils down to. It's risky to generalise but from personal experience and things you hear anecdotally, the above sums up the situation perfectly.

[Mehtab Singh]

Life is a path on which we run after our priorities. Our lifestyles reflect those priorities we've set for ourselves.

Typed up a whole long message, then I am like...whatever!!

[Jaggaa]

Sorry to break in, didn't read the rest of the topic or what even the op said. Read what Mehtab Singh wrote, and just laughed the hardest I have laughed for ages.