Can you take Amrit if your partner does not?

[sat]

You are Absolutely right,

We should be bringing people to sikhi not turning them away, If a man or woman takes Amrit first, it then works sometimes that the other partner then follows shortly and takes amrit, but by saying no or no relationship , this can then put a strain on their married life, i dont think for one minute any of our Guru Sahibs would contemplate diong that this is the real world we live in, No physical relationship she goes of with someone else!! so is this right , we are only human beings or do amritdharees not have physical contact./ children.

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

You are Absolutely right,

We should be bringing people to sikhi not turning them away, If a man or woman takes Amrit first, it then works sometimes that the other partner then follows shortly and takes amrit, but by saying no or no relationship , this can then put a strain on their married life, i dont think for one minute any of our Guru Sahibs would contemplate diong that this is the real orld we live in no physical relationship she goes of with someone else, so is this right , we are only human beings or do amritdharees not have physical contact./ children.

Problem is getting complicated because of Jathebandis making their own Rehat.

Akaal Takht Sahib should strictly stop this, any rehat should be from Akaal Takht Sahib.

One centralized control makes things easier.

[sat]

Problem is getting complicated because of Jathebandis making their own Rehat.

Akaal Takht Sahib should strictly stop this, any rehat should be from Akaal Takht Sahib.

One centralized control makes things easier.

The other thing is we have two types of sikhs those brought up as sikhs and those who become sikhs, for the ones who have been brought up in sikhi its easier to follow such ideas , but the ones of us who become sikhs, to change the whole families mind set it takes time, so these kind of ideas ( no physical relationship with ones wife) just turns people away!

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

The other thing is we have two types of sikhs those brought up as sikhs and those who become sikhs, for the ones who have been brought up in sikhi its easier to follow such ideas , but the ones of us who become sikhs, to change the whole families mind set it takes time, so these kind of ideas ( no physical relationship with ones wife) just turns people away!

1. If your wife/husband is not willing to take amrit/khandey di pahul will it effect your spirituality.

2. Sikhi is from heart not forced. Sikhi is about love not force.

3. If one partner is not willing will you deny another person's wish to take amrit/khandey di pahul.

Love is the key word for spirituality, anyone who wants to amrit should not be denied because of his/her partner.

[sat]

1. If your wife/husband is not willing to take amrit/khandey di pahul will it effect your spirituality.

2. Sikhi is from heart not forced. Sikhi is about love not force.

3. If one partner is not willing will you deny another person's wish to take amrit/khandey di pahul.

Love is the key word for spirituality, anyone who wants to amrit should not be denied because of his/her partner.

They say its because the panda (body) get joot (unclean) because it has been cleansed with amrit,

But did not Guru Nanak ji when he had a talk with the jains, who cover there mouths, etc because they believe everything is polluted, Maharaj Said is not the water you drink not polluted it has so many micro organisms in it which we can not even see, same with the air you breath it also has many types of bacteria / viruses etc. seem to me we are moving further and further away from Guru Nanak Dev ji maharajs teachings and following Bipran ki reet (superstitions)

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Bipar(Brahamin) now days part and parcel of sikhism.

Better to stick with teaching of Guru Granth Sahib.

[Gurpreet14]

Datz y I say......Dad what u did was great n absolutely correct....but people who are manipulating things making it worst for ur ture children...... 10000s of mouths are making 1000s of rehetname..... What should be done n what should be followed no one knows. .........

[savinderpalsingh]

Confusing.

It is because history got corrupted.

history did not get corrupted , corupted are the minds of those who do not have faith in their historic granth's

Bipar(Brahamin) now days part and parcel of sikhism.

Better to stick with teaching of Guru Granth Sahib.

there is no Bipar teaching .

its all puratan maryada

the only bipar ki reet is neo sikhism going on now. like bhramanism

i am sick of people questioning maryada's passed by guru .

There were so many bhramgiani's they never questioned maryada's

but yes people think of higly by themself's and judge maryada's passed to different jatha's created by our father .

If you every have even 1% or love for patshahi 10vi

if you feel you are incomplete without him and must have satguru

then

you will follow maryada auto . even now days singhs with kirpa , chardikala singhs never question maryada .

just like you would love your wife/husband and everything they do and like

you will do the same with bani and things our guru's had and have bairag because we are not one with him .

everyone can question and it is very easy to point and turk

but its hard infact very hard to love satguru.

jag mein utam kadiye virle koi koi (and yes this das is unfortunately not one of them)

[DSGj]

Datz y I say......Dad what u did was great n absolutely correct....but people who are manipulating things making it worst for ur ture children...... 10000s of mouths are making 1000s of rehetname..... What should be done n what should be followed no one knows. .........

I think that's an overexaggeration. There are not thousands of different rehatnamey and rehats. There is one basic one, and then there are just a few fluctuations and adjustments of it between different groups. Yet the message is the same from all of these groups. AKJ, Taksal, Nanaksar, Sant-Samaj, Nihungs etc...are all united in many ways and are mostly all united on this topic which we are discussing. AKJ and Taksal both strictly say that if one is married/getting married and Amritdhari, then the other has to be as well. Let's not overexaggerate and make it something it isn't. Most groups are united and respectful of one another. But still, before marriage is different. Before marriage both must be Amritdhaari. That is how AKJ works. AKJ will only do Anand Kaaraj for Amritdhaari couples. If marriage is already done before elsewhere and you want to become Amritdhaari but your partner does not, then see what Panj Piaarey say, they will probably adjust if you truly show your readiness and eagerness for Amrit. Remember, don't blame Rehit or Panj Piaarey...look at yourself. If you are drooling for Amrit and jumping forward to give yourself to Guru Sahib, then Panj Piaarey will realize that themselves. If they reject you the first time, come back again and again. You have to be determined. It's all on you. Don't blame anyone else.

It is now this modern era, where people like kala-afghana and missionaries are infiltrating Sikhi and trying to change normally accepted Sikh traditions/ways of life. They are trying to make things appealing to these modern generations in order to gain popularity...and that is the most disservice one can do. Changing historical facts and traditions and misleading people...there are aren't too many things worse than that.

ਸਾਹਿਬ ਕੌਰ ਮਾਤਾ -
ਰੋਹਤਾਸ
ਨਿਵਾਸੀ ਭਾਈ ਰਾਮੂ ਬਸੀ ਖਤ੍ਰੀ ਦੀ ਸੁਪੁਤ੍ਰੀ, ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਆਨੰਦ ੧੮. ਵੈਸਾਖ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੭੫੭
ਨੂੰ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨਾਲ ਹੋਇਆ. ਕਲਗੀਧਰ ਨੇ ਇਸੇ ਦੀ ਗੋਦੀ ਪੰਥ ਖਾਲਸਾ
ਪਾਇਆ ਹੈ, ਇਸੇ ਕਾਰਣ ਅਮ੍ਰਿਤਸੰਸਕਾਰ ਸਮੇਂ ਮਾਤਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਕੌਰ ਅਤੇ ਪਿਤਾ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ
ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਉਪਦੇਸ਼ ਕੀਤੇ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ. ਅਵਿਚਲ ਨਗਰ ਪਹੁੰਚਕੇ ਦਸ਼ਮੇਸ਼ ਨੇ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ
ਨੂੰ ਦਿੱਲੀ ਭੇਜ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਅਰ ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇ ਪੰਜ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਨਮਾਨ ਨਾਲ ਰੱਖਣ
ਲਈ ਸਪੁਰਦ ਕੀਤੇ, ਜੋ ਹੁਣ ਦਿੱਲੀ ਗੁਰੁਦ੍ਵਾਰੇ ਰਕਾਬਗੰਜ ਵਿੱਚ ਹਨ.#ਮਾਤਾ ਜੀ ਦਾ
ਦੇਹਾਂਤ ਮਾਤਾ ਸੁੰਦਰੀ ਜੀ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ. ਸਮਾਧੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਜੀ ਦੇ
ਦੇਹਰੇ ਪਾਸ ਦਿੱਲੀ ਹੈ.


ਅਜੀਤੋ ਮਾਤਾ -
ਦੇਖੋ, ਜੀਤੋ ਮਾਤਾ.



ਜੀਤੋ ਮਾਤਾ -ਲਾਹੌਰ ਨਿਵਾਸੀ ਹਰਿਜਸ ਸੁਭਿਖੀਏ ਖਤ੍ਰੀ ਦੀ ਸੁਪੁਤ੍ਰੀ,
ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਵਿਆਹ ੨੩ ਹਾੜ੍ਹ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੭੩੪ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨਾਲ ਆਨੰਦਪੁਰ ਪਾਸ
ਗੁਰੂ ਕੇ ਲਹੌਰ ਹੋਇਆ.#ਮਾਤਾ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਕੁੱਖ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੁਝਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ,
ਬਾਬਾ ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਅਤੇ ਬਾਬਾ ਫ਼ਤੇਹ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਜਨਮੇ. ਮਾਤਾ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਪਰਲੋਕਗਮਨ ੧੩.
ਅੱਸੂ, ਸੰਮਤ ੧੭੫੭ ਨੂੰ ਆਨੰਦਪੁਰ ਹੋਇਆ. ਆਪ ਦਾ ਦੇਹਰਾ ਅਗੰਮਪੁਰ ਵਿਦ੍ਯਮਾਨ ਹੈ. ਮਾਤਾ
ਜੀ ਦਾ ਸ਼ੁੱਧ ਨਾਮ ਅਜੀਤੋ ਅਤੇ ਅਮ੍ਰਿਤਸੰਸਕਾਰ ਪਿੱਛੋਂ ਅਜੀਤ ਕੌਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਸੀ.


ਸੁੰਦਰੀ ਮਾਤਾ -
ਲਹੌਰ
ਨਿਵਾਸੀ ਰਾਮਸਰਨ ਕੁਮਰਾਵ ਖਤ੍ਰੀ ਦੀ ਸੁਪੁਤ੍ਰੀ, ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਆਨੰਦ ੭. ਵੈਸਾਖ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੭੪੧
ਨੂੰ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨਾਲ ਹੋਇਆ. ਇਸੇ ਦੀ ਕੁੱਖ ਤੋਂ ਸ਼ਾਹਜ਼ਾਦਾ ਅਜੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ
ਜੀ ਪ੍ਰਗਟੇ ਸਨ. ਦਸ਼ਮੇਸ਼ ਦੇ ਜੋਤੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਉਣ ਪਿਛੋਂ ਆਪ ਦਾ ਪੰਥ ਉੱਤੇ ਪੂਰਾ ਹੁਕਮ
ਚਲਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ. ਭਾਈ ਮਨੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੇ ਹਰਿਮੰਦਿਰ (ਅਮ੍ਰਿਤਸਰ) ਦਾ
ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਥਾਪਕੇ ਭੇਜਿਆ ਸੀ. ਮਾਤਾ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੀ ਅੰਤਿਮ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਦਿੱਲੀ ਰਹਿਕੇ ਵਿਤਾਈ.
ਕੁਝ ਕਾਲ ਮਥੁਰਾ ਭੀ ਜਾ ਰਹੇ ਸਨ, ਜਿਸ ਥਾਂ ਆਪ ਦੀ ਹਵੇਲੀ ਦੇਖੀ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ. ਉਸ ਸਮੇਂ
ਜਯਪੁਰ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਦੋ ਪਿੰਡ ਜਾਗੀਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਮਾਤਾ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਭੇਟਾ ਕੀਤੇ ਗਏ ਸਨ. ਮਥੁਰਾ ਤੋਂ ਫੇਰ
ਦਿੱਲੀ ਮਾਤਾ ਜੀ ਵਾਪਿਸ ਆ ਗਏ ਅਰ ਉਸੇ ਥਾਂ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੮੦੪ ਵਿੱਚ ਦੇਹਾਂਤ ਹੋਇਆ. ਆਪ ਦੀ
ਹਵੇਲੀ ਤੁਰਕਮਾਨ ਦਰਵਾਜੇ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਹਰ ਸੀਸਗੰਜ ਤੋਂ ਡੇਢ ਮੀਲ ਦੀ ਵਿੱਥ ਪੁਰ ਹੈ. ਕਲਗੀਧਰ
ਨੇ ਜੋ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਮਾਤਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਕੌਰ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਅਬਿਚਲਨਗਰ ਤੋਂ ਤੁਰਨ ਵੇਲੇ ਸਪੁਰਦ ਕੀਤੇ ਸਨ,
ਉਹ ਮਾਤਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਦੇਹਾਂਤ ਸਮੇਂ ਮਾਤਾ ਸੁੰਦਰੀ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਹਵਾਲੇ ਕੀਤੇ, ਮਾਤਾ
ਸੁੰਦਰੀ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਦੇਹਾਂਤ ਸਮੇਂ ਆਪਣੇ ਸੇਵਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੂੰ ਦੇ ਕੇ ਅਦਬ ਨਾਲ ਰੱਖਣ
ਦੀ ਆਗ੍ਯਾ ਕੀਤੀ. ਜੀਵਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੇ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਬਖਤਾਵਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ, ਉਸ ਦੇ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਮਿੱਠੂ
ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ, ਉਸਦੇ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ, ਉਸ ਦੇ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਭਾਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਇਹ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਆਪਣੇ
ਘਰ ਰੱਖੇ. ਭਾਈ ਭਾਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੇ ਮੁਤਬੰਨੇ ਆਤਮਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਪੰਥ ਦੀ ਇੱਛਾ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ
ਗੁਰੁਦ੍ਵਾਰਾ ਰਕਾਬਗੰਜ ਵਿੱਚ ਅਸਥਾਪਨ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਹਨ. ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਇਹ ਹਨ- ਇੱਕ ਤਲਵਾਰ, ਇੱਕ
ਖੰਡਾ, ਇੱਕ ਖੰਜਰ ਅਤੇ ਦੋ ਕਟਾਰ.


Some of you can't accept
truth of historical cultures, traditions and timeframes. All the way
till even 1920's people in Punjab somewhat commonly had 2 wives. Today
it's frowned upon, but that's the truth. I can tell you from person
experience as well, as my great grandfather had 2 wives. It's not a big
deal back then. On top of that, back then, people were married in their
early/mid-teens. Now today you would call it disgusting...but that's
just the way it was back then. People who say it was a "Muslim thing",
are liars. Many different people from different cultures had multiple
wives. The historians, scholars and Gursikhs who have supported that
Guru Gobind Singh Jee had two or three wives all give very specific
dates and details. The people who say that he only had one wife are the
same people who cannot bring up any historical facts or dates to prove
it.


Look at this and how there are no dates or specifics that can show that the dates given are wrong:

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Gobind_Singh%27s_wife_or_wives'>http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Gobind_Singh%27s_wife_or_wives

^All
of the points shown in the above link are proven wrong by Bhai Kahn
Singh Nabha Jee. He takes everything into account, the 'Lahore brought
to Anandpur', the nicknames and name change at Amrit Sanchar, as well as
the interaction between Mata Sahib Kaur and Mata Sundri Jee (handing
over the Shastars, travelling together), etc.

One time I was
watching a program with Jeonwala in an interview and he spent most of
the interview talking about how Guru Gobind Singh Jee only had one wife,
etc. That show also discussed it with other missionary/kala-afghana
pracharaks. They say he had one wife in order to seem acceptable and
modern in this new era/generation and new social standards and gain
support/popularity. In reality, none of these people have specific dates
or details.

Just because these types of things are almost
totally taboo in today's society, doesn't mean you can change history.
History is clear, you have to open your mind and be willing to accept
things that you're uncomfortable with. We as Sikhs try and "protect" the
honour of our Guru and sometimes are so over-protective, that we are
even willing to change historical facts, which is really sad.

[Gurpreet14]

Areyyyyyyy mere Guru de Lal,,,,,,.,

No 1 is questioning Guru n no one saying anything wrong against him....

mean to say that so many differences are there in the opinion of people the jathebandis......

As stated above a gud ex to explain - different people have different knowledge about sikhi....now some says Guru had 1 wife some says 2 some 3 now whats the fact n proof regarding the same no one knows....

If every1 is same then y do Akj,tAksal, akal takth exist??--

These division should not be there.....only one category specifying all the sikh norm should be there....

But one thing is there in any way n any form.....its always women who is suppressed...

I Do question but not my Guru but humanity n humans... N I always pray "Mainu mere malika, Meri aukat ch rakhi"