Sikh Body Blames Former Dgp Of Conversion

[SikhKosh]

Immigration changing Punjab's demographics in interesting ways: Roemer (Wikileaks)

By Vijay Sharma on Wed, 08/31/2011 - 13:05

US politician and Obama's first ambassador Timothy Roemer, a keen observer of demographic trends, rather dramatically describes the changes taking place in the Indian state of Punjab due to immigration from Eastern India and Bangladesh.

Based on his interaction with social and political leaders from the state, Roemer also noted that the Islamic religion -- swept out from Punjab during the Partition -- was also making a return with the migrants.

"Mosques in Punjab, once padlocked after the partition of Indian in 1947 and the ensuing mass exodus of Punjabi Muslims into Pakistan, are reopening and thriving," he said, quoting Pradeep Kashyap, the Vice-Chairman of the US-based American India Foundation.

"It will bear watching how the Punjabi population (and the state government) react if the Muslim call to prayer becomes more pervasive across the state in the years ahead," Roemer said in the February 2010 cable published by Wikileaks.

He was writing to Washington soon after violent clashes between 'locals' and 'outside laborers' in Punjab in December 2009.

Quoting others, Roemer pointed out that if it was the (mostly Dalit) workers from UP and Bihar who came in the first wave of immigration to agricultural Punjab, they are now being replaced by the even cheaper Bangla-speaking Muslims, presumably from Bangladesh.

For now, he points out, it is the economics, rather than religious prejudice, that seems to be winning, going by the acceptance of these laborers in a state that had the bloodiest history of Hindu-Muslim violence during the Partition of India.

"Punjab, on both sides of the border, experienced what we would call ethnic cleansing today. There were almost no Muslims left in Indian Punjab, today, that is no longer true. Partition based on religion seems irrelevant in the face of economics," Roemer quoted Kashyap.

Many Punjabi business owners are grateful for cheap labor, praising migrant laborers for becoming "the backbone of both industry and agriculture in Punjab" after each instance of violent clashes in Punjab, Roemer went on.

"According to the Chamber of Industrial and Commercial Undertakings, Ludhiana alone has 700,000 migrant workers. For Punjab as a whole, the numbers comfortably run in the millions. According to media reports, most of these laborers make between USD $80-$130 a month, and live in dingy rooms with eight to ten occupants to save money.

"Avtar Singh, general secretary of the Chamber of Industrial and Commercial Undertakings said that industry in the city is already facing a 25% labor shortage because migrants had left Punjab fearing increased violence. Industrial and agricultural organizations joined forces and urged greater security for migrant workers from state government officials," Roemer reported.

However, not everyone in Punjab is happy about the change as Roemer also found out.

"Herkawaljit Singh, of the Punjabi language Ajit Group, echoed the discomfort many Punjabis feel with the rise of Muslim and Dalit migrant communities. He told PolOff that the migrants were "culturally different" from Punjabis and did not integrate into mainstream Punjabi society," he pointed out.

[genie]

When I was in punjab last year I noticed how many sufi make shift masjids contrusterd by bhaiya muslim migirants. Now this is a very dangerous issue for Sikhs because already a minority in the Indian Union. And hardly any Sikhs in pakistan or afghanistan because of the evil shadow of Islam. If any Sikh cares or loves his/her religion enough to want to avert a catastrophe then they must start to get militant against Islamic agenda. No more tree hugging Sikhs it has to be made quite explict to muslims in Punjab that no new masjids will allowed to be built and no conversions of Sikhs will be tolerated. In fact there needs to be a drive to convert the muslims of kashmir and punjab to Sikhism.

The warning signs where there but no Sikh organisation of Punjab took it seriously thinking it would play on the communal card and now a killer of the Sikh youths muhammad azar alam is now grooming and converting impressionable young punjabi kids to the tyranny of Islam and on top of that he is building new masjids on holyland of Sikhs to rub further salt into our kaums wounds.

[isingh1699]

^{Everyone else whose posts I am reading on this thread and other threads gets it about what is going on and what is at stake here.}

^{The aim of our enemies is to make us a minority in Punjab within the next few years.}

^{So in order to combat this we need a comprehensive Panthic agenda about how to make Punjab and the Diaspora free of (in no particular order):}

^1.

^{Drugs freely circulating (that true Sikhs are never seeing touching drugs despite the "party" reputation of some in our community) ... agressive tactics to be used against dealers and Alcohol free (there are too many songs promoting this poison and a Qaum on sharaab will always be weak in the main) ... persuasive health-based logic to be used prior to occasions of celebration and to slowly but slowly get the message across that sharaab is not acceptable even for sehajdhari Sikhs}

^2.

^{Biraderi politics (all crooks wanting to control golaks for themselves need to be stopped and idiots arranging rishte by not following the don't ask + don't tell rule need to be exposed as the anti-Sikh dogs they are. Across-biraderi rishte need to be enforced in arranged marriages in order to end this divisive cancer killing our Qaum at the roots)}

^3.

^{Abortion clinics killing girl children need to be agressively put out of business (but we don't need to go the trouble of bombing them like Americans do)}

^4.

^{An all out campaign to make our Panth 100% literate, as a lot of the problems we face stem from lack of education. Voluntary seva by Diaspora youth to teach youth in Punjab can help re-inforce our links with Punjab and keep overseas youth grounded and away from western materialism, drugs, alcohol, depression etc.}

^5.

^{An increase in free hospitals and drugs treatment centres so that poor poeple aren't forced to convert in order to get important life-saving operations or cancer treatment that should be rightfully done for free.}

^6.

^{And end to the lie that all religions are equally beneficial to all of mankind. Amongst ourselves we need to agressively expose the disgusting livelihoods of prominent faith figures from the Abrahamic + Hindu religions. Obviously we can tone down the rhetoric if we are talking to a potential convert one on one on the street (particularly Hindu's who will provide the bulk of new members of the Panth). But on the internet we shouldn't be that sensitive as to hesitate from open and honest criticism of pedophiles and slaveowners and those who supposedly had virgin births.}

^7.

^{Increasing acceptance of all within the community as Sikhs rather than us saying that 90% are no longer Sikhs. Not treating sehajdhari's as Hindu's as GOI wants.}

^8.

^{Instead of concentrating on minor arguments about differences in various Rehats, or tables/chairs in Langar Hall or whether old saroops should be agan bhet or if girls are doing their eyebrows or guys wearing durags, we need to work out what our current priorities out of the above are and focus most of our attention on those.}

^9.

^{We need to spread awareness of Bhai Mardana Ji's bravery as the first Sikh. If Bhai Mardana Ji could be so brave as to leave Islam at the threat of death, there is something seriously wrong if thousands of Sikhs are converting to Islam in order to financially benefit from the rewards the Saudi Arabian paymasters are promising.}

^10.

^{We need one single SGPC charity in which the funds within cannot be accessed by Badal Dal. This charity's remit would be to maximise seva efforts globally. And then if we don't physically take part in pushing our Qaum forward then we have to contribute the maximum daswand towards this united SGPC Charity but in the meantime Khalsa Aid are doing a great job and we should contribute the maximum to their Educate Punjab Project to ensure our youth are mentally strong enough...}

[SikhKosh]

We need a extreme right, Sikh political party along the lines of Shiv Sena and AIMIM (Muslim Majlis party).

[SikhKosh]

CM loses cool, Waqf chief feels the heat

Vishal Rambani, Hindustan Times Malerkotla, March 04, 2013

First Published: 11:10 IST(4/3/2013) | Last Updated: 11:12 IST(4/3/2013)

Known as a cool customer, chief minister Parkash Singh Badal on Sunday got really hot about state Waqf board chairman Izhar Alam making hate speech in his presence and snubbed him publicly.

For the first time, he looked like disowning the former director general of police, whose wife, Farzana Alam, defeated Congress heavyweight Razia Sultana in the 2012 assembly election here. Upset with Alam, Badal even turned down his request for grant to Muslim institution Imarat-e-Sharia, saying: "I have no money for any unplanned announcement. Send me the plan; I will see."

Speaking before him, Alam had said that Muslims being in significant number in Punjab could swing the election result any way they like and the state government should treat them unfairly. "Muslims are being maltreated," he said. "We are not getting any land for graveyards. The authorities don't listen to us."

"The Muslims of Punjab have stronghold in 20 assembly constituencies, and if they can help a party win elections in the state, they can also defeat it," Alam said, which raised the CM's eyebrows.

The former DGP then embarrassed the government with a remark about the bygone dark days of militancy. "Muslims have a strong bond with Sikhs. Even during militancy it was seen, as the gunmen killed either Hindus or Sikhs but no one touched Muslims," he said, at which the CM got the stage authorities to cut short the former DGP. Alam still had time to pitch for Rs. 50 lakh as donation for Imarat-e-Sharia.

At his turn to speak, the CM not only told Alam that militancy was against all humanity but also reminded him that the "biggest achievement of the government had been that it had ensured communal harmony and peace in the state". Angry, he declined to give any grant for the building Alam had sought. When Alam got up from his chair to interrupt the CM and remind him of the request, the CM snubbed him. "I have no money for gurdwaras, temples or mosques," he said. "Tell me if you have any plan for the community. I will allocate enough money but not announce it here."

To keep his Muslim vote bank intact, the CM said the state would rid the Waqf property of encroachment to enable the board to use the land as source of income for the welfare of the community. Lauding the institution of Imarat-e-Sharia, he said that it would help unite the Muslims.

The CM left the function after only 35 minutes, not giving the community anything. Alam's wife, chief parliamentary secretary Farzana Nisaara Khatoon, later, declared a contribution of Rs. 10 lakh. Sukhdev Singh Dhindsa, member of the Rajya Sabha, also left the programme midway.

[SikhKosh]

PUNJAB WAQF BOARD TO TAKE UP ISSUE OF GRAVEYARDS WITH CM

Tuesday, 19 February 2013 | PNS | Chandigarh | in Chandigarh

Reeling with the shortage of space to bury its dead, the Punjab State Waqf Board will take up the issue of graveyards with the Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal.

“Graveyards is a major problem for the Muslim population in villages and this will be discussed with Chief Minister on his visit to Malerkotla along with other issues,” said Waqf Board chairman and former IPS officer Izhar Alam.

The Muslim community in Punjab has been facing the problem of shortage of space. “At times, they have to go as far as 30 km to perform the last rites while a number of times, they also wait for two to three days with the bodies to find some space in the nearest graveyard,” added Alam.

The decision to this effect was taken up during the State-level Muslim conference at Ludhiana’s Dana Mandi.

Besides, a Shariat panchayat has also been set up in the State to decide on matters related to marriage, divorce and inheritance of the community. A Muslim welfare and ‘Shariat’ society was also formed to look after the welfare of Muslims in the State.

The ‘panchayat’ is claimed to be the first common platform for the community in the State since Independence.

In addition, the society will also take up issues related to encroachments on Waqf properties and many others.

[SikhKosh]

Can you believe that Jathedar Ranjit Singh told me of the rise of Muslims being a significant problem way back in 2008. I'm starting to realise how fully true he was.

Epidemic, we need to get extreme asap.

[13Mirch]

What we need is an extreme right, lead by panthic sampradas and individuals against forceful conversion. And we truly need to get rid of the useless SGPC, Badal's prostitute party.

[lsingh]

Its interesting that Shiv Sena and RSS are staying quiet on this, normally they do not hesitate to take an anti Muslim line. In fact the Shiv Sena in the Punjab is only making anti Sikh statements as they have put images ridiculing the Guru Sahibs on Facebook.

We do have organisations that are supposed to defend the Sikhs , but as on the Genocide issues they have their cosy agreements with the state and central governments so keep their head down. Its time they were asked if they had dropped the role of defending Sikhs,

[genie]

We need a extreme right, Sikh political party along the lines of Shiv Sena and AIMIM (Muslim Majlis party).

Correct we need to make Indian muslims feel the heat they took part in the anti sikh genocide along with the hihdus of the congress party. They always vote congress party (khangress) playing the communal and vote bank politics. Azar alam formed alam sena which was made up of indian punjabi muslims along with others who dressed up as fake Sikh seperatists to kill Sikh youths, their families and other innocents in killing fields of punjab.

Some police officers who took part in extra judicial killings are speaking out now because they see how the indian state has treated them and what the truth was.

The Islamic agenda does not change from country to country even when you think the indian muslim is your brother he is no1's brother except another muslims his agenda is to islamifiy your non-muslim lands and to fight you until the day of judgemental in all aspects political, spiritually, financially, militarily,etc.

This is why even tho i dislike hindu nationliasts they are a better devil than the khangress party whose vote bank is the indian muslim population who are allowed to remain in india while our non-muslim populations in pakistan afghanistan and bangladesh are virtually wiped out by islamo-fascists.