Ghar Wapsi In Punjab

[JagsawSingh]

no ...they have zero authority to say who is Sikh or not let alone convert ...nobody has explained just how this conversion is happening ...as far as i know only guru Granth and Guru Panth has the authority to make patit pavan ....so please enlighten me what is their nethodology ...and who is giving authority ....or is it a case of eyewashing yet again....

Its either hot or cold with you jkvlondon. Nothing in between. Half of your posts demonstrate extreme intelligence and the other half normally demonstrate that you're half asleep not paying attention.

Your last message definately demonstrates that you have not digested anything I have written - particularly when I stated that the christian menace itself is a seperate problem to what the crux of this thread is about - or paid attention to anything the disgusting RSS have been doing these last 3 weeks in Punjab.

Get some sleep. Write something with a clear head later.

You really think you are a genius for 'discovering' that RSS is not doing it for the Sikh Qaum but themselves?

Your reading abilities appear quite juvenile my friend. Let me construct my sentences in simpler format: RSS kill 1000's of Christians in Orissa....kill thousands of Muslims and have utter contempt for Sikhs. They are then, inhuman all fronts.

So, its not about the obvious fact that they're doing it for themselves. Its about how, by doing things like this...mixed in with all the bad stuff they do...they can manipulate immature minds into praising them and seeing them in a good light (see yourself for further details)

I have also noticed a lot of people praising the RSS or saying they are not involved in many issues impacting Sikhs when clearly they are.

I'm glad you've noticed it ISingh. You're obviously one of the awake ones. 99.9% of the posts on this thread show that most of the others have fallen misguidingly right into the RSS trap.

[lsingh]

Massive demonstrations against Indian injustice and corrupt Masands across Punjab and the world today. The Masands heading many Jathebandhis are running scared .

[Jonny101]

No one is saying RSS are not a danger to the Panth. They certainly are. But they are not the ONLY danger to the Panth. Right now our mindset is such that we put all our focus on only RSS, but we ignore the other threats such as Christian missionaries who are targeting Sikhs for conversion and have already succeeded in converted tens of thousands of Sikhs, churches have sprung up all over Punjab.

Due to our distracted state, we even have Muslims taking advantage and trying to convert Sikhs to Islam. Izhar Alam who killed a whole generation of young Sikh men is now converting Sikhs all over Punjab to Islam and making mosques for these newly converted Muslims. He has even vowed that in future there will be so many Muslims in Punjab that it will change the political scene of the state. But our leaders are completely ignoring these threats while only focusing on the Hindu threat.

Then we have internal threats that should not be overlooked. These guys come in two very opposite forms. One are former atheistic communists(kaamreds) in our ranks who after becoming a little religious are now trying to make Sikhs into faithless atheists by cutting us off from our traditions and bani, they are Kala Afghanists and their missionary henchmen. They have a huge following in the western world among the Sikh diaspora.

The other internal threat are the Hinduised Sanatanist Sikhs who are hell bent on Hinduising the Sikhs. These guys were sidelined after the Singh Sabha movement. But now after decades of keeping a low profile they are again raising their heads. They very often like to claim using their warped logic that "Hinduism is not a religious term but a geographical term and so Sikhs are Hindus since Sikhs are geographically Hindus".

So Panth is being attacked on all sides. RSS, Christian missionaries, Muslims Dawah groups are the external threat and then we have closet atheists(kala Afghanists) and Hinduised Sanatanist Sikhs who are the internal threats. We have to deal with all of these threats all at once. None of them should be ignored. Our people need to be very vigilant against all of these because now we cannot afford to ignore any of them.

[jkvlondon]

Its either hot or cold with you jkvlondon. Nothing in between. Half of your posts demonstrate extreme intelligence and the other half normally demonstrate that you're half asleep not paying attention.

Your last message definately demonstrates that you have not digested anything I have written - particularly when I stated that the christian menace itself is a seperate problem to what the crux of this thread is about - or paid attention to anything the disgusting RSS have been doing these last 3 weeks in Punjab.

Get some sleep. Write something with a clear head later.

Your reading abilities appear quite juvenile my friend. Let me construct my sentences in simpler format: RSS kill 1000's of Christians in Orissa....kill thousands of Muslims and have utter contempt for Sikhs. They are then, inhuman all fronts.

So, its not about the obvious fact that they're doing it for themselves. Its about how, by doing things like this...mixed in with all the bad stuff they do...they can manipulate immature minds into praising them and seeing them in a good light (see yourself for further details)

I'm glad you've noticed it ISingh. You're obviously one of the awake ones. 99.9% of the posts on this thread show that most of the others have fallen misguidingly right into the RSS trap.

veer ji ,

just reposting questions that lay unanswered ...the only photos I have seen are people sitting in sangat with siropas around their necks and getting served parshad , if this is the extent of their 'conversions' then we need to send in proper parchariks and do it the right way . Christians in the subcontinent are total filth they have not one iota of daya, it's just a numbers game with them if they can sway poor people by promising support can we not do that too via our agencies ...oh wait I remember those in charge cannot even support the sewa of translation of Guru ji for other Indian nationals...

[lsingh]

The RSS will make Hindu -Sikhs like the Sanatan types.

[jkvlondon]

The RSS will make Hindu -Sikhs like the Sanatan types.

i.e. the types that do devi devta worship at the mandhir one minute and then go to gurdwara to listen to kirtan and eat langar? Sabh kuch teek aa ussi sare Hindustani hage na ji?(facepalm) The kind that will swallow the lines that the govt feeds them that anyone amritdhari is terrorist/traitor etc etc

[lsingh]

http://www.firstpost.com/india/ghar-wapsi-fallout-meet-our-demands-else-well-convert-to-islam-say-dalits-2039485.html

Ghar wapsi fallout: Meet our demands, else we'll convert to Islam, say UP Dalits

by Ratan Mani Lal Jan 10, 2015 11:10 IST

#BJP #Dalits #ghar wapsi #Hindutva #India #politics of religion #re-conversion #RSS #VHP

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Lucknow: The 're-conversion' efforts of the Hindutva groups may have gone on the low burn in the last few weeks, but the controversy over it has ignited ideas among several Dalit groups. In a new phenomenon, deprived sections of the Hindu community have been threatening to quit Hinduism and embrace other religions if their demands, which are secular in character, were not met.

Recent incidents in Agra and Meerut suggest that Dalits, Valmikis and others have found a new weapon to get their social or development demands addressed by the political dispensation.

In Jamalpur Goma village of Baghpat in Meerut district, dozens of members of ten Dalit families had demanded that they should be allowed to worship at a famous Valmiki temple at Balaini, otherwise they would embrace Islam. They have even given a deadline till January 26 for such permission to be given, and the local administration is on its toes to contain the situation.

A section of locals attribute this development to the alleged control of land adjoining the temple by the temple priest. “We just want to take out a shobha yatra from the Lav Kush Dwar to the temple, and the temple priest is not even allowing this,” said Shyam Singh Valmiki of the Jamalpur Goma village. He has alleged that the local administration was also acting under pressure from the priest.

The temple priest Mahant Lakhyadevanand has also been quoted as saying that there is no dispute over worshipping within the temple. However, there is no clarity on allowing the shobha yatra to be taken out over a stretch of land leading to the temple. Meanwhile, the representatives of the Valmiki families are adamant that if permission for the yatra and worship is not given to them till January 26 they will collectively embrace Islam. The district administration and police have been trying to defuse the situation as the local leaders of the Bharatiya Janata Party and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad have also jumped into the fray.

“The issue might seem trivial, but it indicates the social divisions over which opposing sections of society take a tough stand, leading to unrest or violence,” says Dr Rahul Shukla, a professor of Indian history at a Lucknow University college.

In a similar incident in Agra in January, a section of Hindus belonging to Sikandarpur in New Agra area threatened to hold a panchayat on Sunday January 11 to take a decision on quitting the Hindu fold if their long-pending demands were not met. However, the panchayat was put off following an assurance by the representative of the Babu Lal Choudhary, the BJP MP from Fatehpur Sikri.

“We have assured the villagers that their demands pertaining to some facilities in the area and their dispute with another religious group will be sorted out soon,” according to Mohan Singh, a local BJP leader.

“There have also been instances where young people have opted for conversion simply to get married to someone belonging to a different faith,” according to Dr Rahul Shukla. But, he said, the recent Allahabad High Court judgment holding such conversions as ‘void’ puts things in a clearer perspective. “Opting for religious conversion simply for marriage or achieving some narrow personal end is improper and should never be supported, and the court ruling validates it,” he said.

Incidentally, instances of Dalits embracing Buddhism have been very frequent across Uttar Pradesh especially during the regime of Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP). “Our leader Mayawati has always fought against the oppressive caste system in Hindu society and victims of this oppression are always welcome to become Buddhists, a path shown by Dr Ambedkar,” says a BSP leader.

But Acharya Ramapati Shastri, a Sanskrit scholar and expert in Vedic religious rituals, says that the Dalits have always been at the forefront of protecting Hindu faith and places of worship, and now there is no bar on them to worship in temples. “They are even becoming priests in many temples across India,” he said.

Acharya Shastri also wondered why the Dalits would be raising such demands when they enjoyed the fruits of reservation in educational institutions and government jobs, and their representatives have been in the government. “Why should they leave the blessings of Dr Ambedkar and join any other faith?” he asked.

Another scholar traces a link to the much-publicised incident in Agra on December 8 last, where it had been alleged that the promoters of a re-conversion ritual had offered a BPL ration card and a plot of land to those who agreed to convert to Hinduism. The matter had become more complicated when it came to light that the participants in the ritual could have been illegal Muslim immigrants from Bangladesh.

“If turning into a Hindu could bring with itself the perks of legitimate Indian citizenship, then demanding certain concessions or facilities to remain a Hindu could not be far away,” said Athar Husain, an expert from the Centre for Objective Research and Development, Lucknow. “A recent report from Rajasthan in which residents of a village in Hanumangarh district had threatened to embrace Islam if illegal encroachments were not removed from their village is such an example,” he said.

A leader of the Hindu Mahasabha, however, says that instances of mischief-makers inciting sections of Hindus could not be ruled out since “huge amounts of money are spent to seek conversions of Hindus.”

[jkvlondon]

http://www.firstpost.com/india/ghar-wapsi-fallout-meet-our-demands-else-well-convert-to-islam-say-dalits-2039485.html

Ghar wapsi fallout: Meet our demands, else we'll convert to Islam, say UP Dalits

by Ratan Mani Lal Jan 10, 2015 11:10 IST

#BJP #Dalits #ghar wapsi #Hindutva #India #politics of religion #re-conversion #RSS #VHP

0

Lucknow: The 're-conversion' efforts of the Hindutva groups may have gone on the low burn in the last few weeks, but the controversy over it has ignited ideas among several Dalit groups. In a new phenomenon, deprived sections of the Hindu community have been threatening to quit Hinduism and embrace other religions if their demands, which are secular in character, were not met.

Recent incidents in Agra and Meerut suggest that Dalits, Valmikis and others have found a new weapon to get their social or development demands addressed by the political dispensation.

In Jamalpur Goma village of Baghpat in Meerut district, dozens of members of ten Dalit families had demanded that they should be allowed to worship at a famous Valmiki temple at Balaini, otherwise they would embrace Islam. They have even given a deadline till January 26 for such permission to be given, and the local administration is on its toes to contain the situation.

A section of locals attribute this development to the alleged control of land adjoining the temple by the temple priest. “We just want to take out a shobha yatra from the Lav Kush Dwar to the temple, and the temple priest is not even allowing this,” said Shyam Singh Valmiki of the Jamalpur Goma village. He has alleged that the local administration was also acting under pressure from the priest.

The temple priest Mahant Lakhyadevanand has also been quoted as saying that there is no dispute over worshipping within the temple. However, there is no clarity on allowing the shobha yatra to be taken out over a stretch of land leading to the temple. Meanwhile, the representatives of the Valmiki families are adamant that if permission for the yatra and worship is not given to them till January 26 they will collectively embrace Islam. The district administration and police have been trying to defuse the situation as the local leaders of the Bharatiya Janata Party and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad have also jumped into the fray.

“The issue might seem trivial, but it indicates the social divisions over which opposing sections of society take a tough stand, leading to unrest or violence,” says Dr Rahul Shukla, a professor of Indian history at a Lucknow University college.

In a similar incident in Agra in January, a section of Hindus belonging to Sikandarpur in New Agra area threatened to hold a panchayat on Sunday January 11 to take a decision on quitting the Hindu fold if their long-pending demands were not met. However, the panchayat was put off following an assurance by the representative of the Babu Lal Choudhary, the BJP MP from Fatehpur Sikri.

“We have assured the villagers that their demands pertaining to some facilities in the area and their dispute with another religious group will be sorted out soon,” according to Mohan Singh, a local BJP leader.

“There have also been instances where young people have opted for conversion simply to get married to someone belonging to a different faith,” according to Dr Rahul Shukla. But, he said, the recent Allahabad High Court judgment holding such conversions as ‘void’ puts things in a clearer perspective. “Opting for religious conversion simply for marriage or achieving some narrow personal end is improper and should never be supported, and the court ruling validates it,” he said.

Incidentally, instances of Dalits embracing Buddhism have been very frequent across Uttar Pradesh especially during the regime of Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP). “Our leader Mayawati has always fought against the oppressive caste system in Hindu society and victims of this oppression are always welcome to become Buddhists, a path shown by Dr Ambedkar,” says a BSP leader.

But Acharya Ramapati Shastri, a Sanskrit scholar and expert in Vedic religious rituals, says that the Dalits have always been at the forefront of protecting Hindu faith and places of worship, and now there is no bar on them to worship in temples. “They are even becoming priests in many temples across India,” he said.

Acharya Shastri also wondered why the Dalits would be raising such demands when they enjoyed the fruits of reservation in educational institutions and government jobs, and their representatives have been in the government. “Why should they leave the blessings of Dr Ambedkar and join any other faith?” he asked.

Another scholar traces a link to the much-publicised incident in Agra on December 8 last, where it had been alleged that the promoters of a re-conversion ritual had offered a BPL ration card and a plot of land to those who agreed to convert to Hinduism. The matter had become more complicated when it came to light that the participants in the ritual could have been illegal Muslim immigrants from Bangladesh.

“If turning into a Hindu could bring with itself the perks of legitimate Indian citizenship, then demanding certain concessions or facilities to remain a Hindu could not be far away,” said Athar Husain, an expert from the Centre for Objective Research and Development, Lucknow. “A recent report from Rajasthan in which residents of a village in Hanumangarh district had threatened to embrace Islam if illegal encroachments were not removed from their village is such an example,” he said.

A leader of the Hindu Mahasabha, however, says that instances of mischief-makers inciting sections of Hindus could not be ruled out since “huge amounts of money are spent to seek conversions of Hindus.”

I would say strike while the iron is hot and show what Sikhi can give these people i.e. freedom from castethe main controlling feature of their lives ...somebody should talk to Ranjit Singh at Damdami Taksal and other parchaariks who are not scared

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