Before Anand Karaj.. Phy Relation

[amarpreetsingh17404 3]

i am a boy who has been blessed with amrit.

bt last night i had a chnce going with an amritdhari girl to some place and we were forced to stay in a room. we are not married. bt we started touching each other and all went wrong. we didnt had intercourse bt oral.

I am having a guilt of getting amrit khandan. plz hlp me out for this. wht should i do.

[ms514 424]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Both of you need to go to the Punj Pyare, which will most likely judge this is a Bujjar Kurehit. You will be assigned a tankah (punishment) and be readministered Amrit. Complete the requirement of the tankah and you will be back in good standing in the Khalsa Panth.

[sssSSinghh 4]

WJKK WJKF ji,

Bro it all comes down to u man......and how much regret and honestly sorry you actually are for your actions (think of it like this; if put in the same position now would you do the same deed again).

Because before you did this deed you knew full well it was wrong. Not only you, but the offending partner is also 'amritdhari' (as you say), so you both had amrit from punj pyare so you know it was wrong (was Kurehit) yet you still did it. do you know what it means to be gurmukh not manmukh.

You can't really plead ignorance as your amritdhari already......so basically jande hoi sabh kuch u still did what u wanted without one thought of what guru sahib would think of u. Obviously u have no faith in guru sahib cause if u did u would beleive they r hazar nazar all the time. they are always looking over u no matter what you think.

personally im sick and tired of so called "amritdhari's" these days who have no morals but put genuine guru sahibs singh's & singhni's name through the mud by commiting these kind of acts....

ask yourself this, r u a genuine sikh or a pakhandi (of which aj kal koi ghaat nahi hagi), because if you r genuine in your repentance than you will be forgiven but if its just for show guru sahib knows everything hena.

It's never as simple as just being given a tankah, then all is forgiven.

We all have our karam's someone has to answer for them....

and we will reap what we sow...

Goodluck with your struggles brother, i myself aint no saint....but i just whant to put out what i genuinely feel about your situation... sorry if i hurt your feelings bro.

[ms514 424]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Only by Guru's grace can anyone be saved from Kurehits - many elder Gursikhs will do daily Ardaas benti to be saved from Kurehits. It is not so easy as to say that you can will it away - things happen and unfortunately, people go astray. At least the veer above realized it is wrong - there are some who do Kurehits and go about the world as if nothing wrong has been done and continue to perpetuate Kurehits, manmat and take others down with them. Kaljug is such that those who blatantly do Kurehits will defend themselves AND have supporters who are supposedly Gursikhs defend them!

They have done what they have done and it is only the Punj Pyare which can decide the matter. In conversing with Gursikhs, when Bujjar Kurehits are committed and Amrit is readministered, it is like taking a broken rope and tying a knot to reconnect them. The rope will continue to function, but it will have an obvious knot and not be a pristine rope.

Still, better a repaired rope than a broken one. Go to Punj Pyare and get this taken care of ASAP. Advise the bhenji who was involved with you to go as well ASAP.

[singhdhillon 41]

Daang di Kasar aa bus ?

[jkvlondon 5,094]

My question is do you intend to marry this girl? if not then why do this sh$tty deed ?? have you no control or conscience?

[singh598 471]

if you marry the girl then this will mitigate the situation

[hsingh68 44]

Its only natural for you to reproduce. Don't worry what happened happened. Don't regret accept it as hukam.

[jkvlondon 5,094]

Its only natural for you to reproduce. Don't worry what happened happened. Don't regret accept it as hukam.

eh?? Man has the ability to reason and think , being a sikh and an amritdhari sikh at that, would indicate the higher functions of these individuals are there, but what you are suggesting is excusing crass, unethical, unsikh like behaviour as hukham Really???...

we haven't heard a peep from him if they intended to marry or it was just a casual thing... it seems from his side it may have been

[hsingh68 44]

eh?? Man has the ability to reason and think , being a sikh and an amritdhari sikh at that, would indicate the higher functions of these individuals are there, but what you are suggesting is excusing crass, unethical, unsikh like behaviour as hukham Really???...we haven't heard a peep from him if they intended to marry or it was just a casual thing... it seems from his side it may have been

Everything is hukam no point feeling guilty about it. God willed it happened in the same way if god willed someone to remember god it will happen. God never said what is good and bad... humans did

[jkvlondon 5,094]

Everything is hukam no point feeling guilty about it. God willed it happened in the same way if god willed someone to remember god it will happen. God never said what is good and bad... humans did

by that reasoning you beat your wife, abuse kids etc that is all hukam where does 'free will' come into it ? surely there is some action to indicate our jot is upper in some of our karam rather than just our man

[hsingh68 44]

by that reasoning you beat your wife, abuse kids etc that is all hukam where does 'free will' come into it ? surely there is some action to indicate our jot is upper in some of our karam rather than just our man

There is no free will. karam sukaram aap karaen kimat kon apeva

You think you are separate to god thats where u are going wrong. Separateness =ego

[jkvlondon 5,094]

There is no free will. karam sukaram aap karaen kimat kon apeva

You think you are separate to god thats where u are going wrong. Separateness =ego

so does that mean since Ap karanhar hai then there is no adharm , no pap , no punn and also no dharam then we are punishing the adharmi lok for nothing ?

[hsingh68 44]

What you described above is nirgun paramatama. But since manifestation of hukam occurs through karma then it is god punishing and god doing good. Whatever happening is perfection

[jkvlondon 5,094]

What you described above is nirgun paramatama. But since manifestation of hukam occurs through karma then it is god punishing and god doing good. Whatever happening is perfection

so then you're original point is not correct if he feels sharam that is hukham too and a good sign that he is contrite at what happened. We should tell him what he has done is wrong i.e. in terms of gursikh's duty is to remind/correct another if they are stepping away from gurmat , so we complete our duty as siblings and it is the transgressor who then has to take the next step, i.e. he felt sharam and guilt (because he went away from Guru's path) that is why he was here and now he knows/has confirmed what the next proper step should be ...