Freedom Of Speech

[Singh559]

Yeah sorry the nakhel was put in chandus nose. The story I said is right for most part with small variation.I have the recording somewhere so would have to listen to it again because it has been a while.

My point was that Guru Sabin had very clear reasoning for beating the individual and he stopped Sikhs from doing so when the dusht insulted 6ve Paatshah. The limit was when heinsulted Guru Nanak Dev Ji but this person also was a very bad criminal.

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

"Guru Kee Ninda Sunay Na Kaan, Bhet Kray Tis Sang Kirpan"

Tankhanama Bhai Nand Lal Ji.

Devil's Advocate fun.

[InderjitS]

No one can harm Guru Sahib full stop. It is the sentiments of Sikhs that get hurt and if someone disrespects our parents we either put up with it or take action. This no doubt depends on the harshness of said words. Actions are louder than words and deserve a more suitable response.

[Jonny101]

He was no innocent journalist. He was full of hatred of the Sikhs in and out. During the Punjabi sooba movement, he instigated Punjabi Hindus to disown their own mother tongue(Punjabi) for Hindi. He would write inflamatory articles against the Sikhs and equated Punjabi to Sikhs and Hindus to Hindi. Many Sikhs died for the Punjabi sooba movment, he would not only justify it but also encourage it. During the 1978 massacre, between the Sikhs and Nirankaris(a heretical sect), again Lala played a very prominent anti Sikh role. He was not even there yet he lied by acting as a false witness against the Sikhs and even lied by claiming Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale was at the site when he wasn't even there. Following his lead, all the prominent Punjabi hindu journalists began taking the side of the Nirankaris. Now this was a conflict between between Sikhs and a heretical/devient sect. So it should be considered an internal Sikh matter. Why were Punjabi Hindu journalists like Lala Jagat narain playing the Anti Sikh role in this? He went out of his way to act as a false witness! he used his position as a prominent journalist to write and act as a false witness against the Sikhs during this tragedy. Then he began distorting the image of Guru Gobind Singh Jee. Pen is mightier than the sword they say. It's true. If that pen comes into the hands of a liar and hate monger, it can encourage Deaths, massacres, police encounters, tortures as was the case here.

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Another interesting video on what should have been done with someone who threw tobacco into the Harmandir Sahib complex per Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa. I wonder how the forumites would react to this speech.

[Balkaar]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Another interesting video on what should have been done with someone who threw tobacco into the Harmandir Sahib complex per Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa. I wonder how the forumites would react to this speech.

Veerji, this is confusing the matter somewhat.

Defiling the sanctity of Sri Harmandir Sahib with tobacco isn't an issue of free speech.

Chandu Lal's betraying Guru Arjan Dev to Jahangir also wasn't an issue of free speech.

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Jio, I never said that the two matters were related. Just wondering what the perspectives on this video would be.

[Balkaar]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Jio, I never said that the two matters were related. Just wondering what the perspectives on this video would be.

Oh, I see.

I think we'd all be suitably horrified and outraged to hear of something like this happening now. I think we'd also agree that the perpetrator would have earned themselves a bit of a thrashing.

[Kira]

Yeah sorry the nakhel was put in chandus nose. The story I said is right for most part with small variation.I have the recording somewhere so would have to listen to it again because it has been a while.

My point was that Guru Sabin had very clear reasoning for beating the individual and he stopped Sikhs from doing so when the dusht insulted 6ve Paatshah. The limit was when heinsulted Guru Nanak Dev Ji but this person also was a very bad criminal.

I'm a bit confused here. Please bear with me as I've not heard this Sakhi so you probably know more than I. But wouldn't Guru Nanak and Guru hargobind Ji be one person. Sicne the Jyott was the shame. Wouldn't Guru sahib be equally offended if both Guru Sahibs were insulted as they were the same person.

[Singh4Liberty]

Oh, I see.

I think we'd all be suitably horrified and outraged to hear of something like this happening now. I think we'd also agree that the perpetrator would have earned themselves a bit of a thrashing.

I say we should strip his clothes give him a serious (and i mean serious) thrashing in the middle of a square in Amritsar, and then force him to apologize, and record it and put the Whole thing on youtube for everyone to see like Sant Jarnail Singh said about putting the head on a stool. But I think beheading is a bit extreme because it would get taken down on Youtube lol