Sikh - Muslim Debate On Bbc Asian Network Nihal

[Hammertime007]

Wheaguru ji ka khalsa Wheguru ji ke fateh. It's clear we have some people in our own community, who won't say they are not muslim as they feel they would be directing hate towards muslims! So what do they want? People to hate us for no reason? This has triggered the debate http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/white-house-holds-meeting-muslims-sikhs-n479896

[dallysingh101]

I don't want to run around saying 'I'm not Muslim! Please, I'm not Muslim!' because I'm scared of what some goray might think.

This isn't because I particularly care about Muslims but mainly because I don't want any white pr**ks dictating my life to the extent that they have me acting like a scared b1tch like that. Plus I don't see whitey like you do (you must be a peasant), these mofos will stab us in our back as soon as it suits their purpose.

I have thought about being in the middle of some white ranting on public transport (it happened to my nephew once but he handled it nicely), and at that point I'd tell them I don't want to hear their ish because I'm Sikh.

The problem is with those people who are just hating for irrational reasons - I don't want to be running around after them. Screw them, let them hate us. The big question is why are you so petrified? Are you scared of having to fight goray?

[Hammertime007]

I don't want to run around saying 'I'm not Muslim! Please, I'm not Muslim!' because I'm scared of what some goray might think.

This isn't because I particularly care about Muslims but mainly because I don't want any white pr**ks dictating my life to the extent that they have me acting like a scared b1tch like that. Plus I don't see whitey like you do (you must be peasant), these mfa will stab us in our back as soon as it suits their purpose.

I have thought about being in the middle of some white ranting on public transport (it happened to my nephew once but he handled it nicely), and at that point I'd tell them I don't want to hear their ish because I'm Sikh.

The problem is with those people who are just hating for irrational reasons - I don't want to be running around after them. Screw them, let them hate us. The big question is why are you so petrified? Are you scared of having to fight goray?

not at all scared. Why should we be be dragged in to issues which are nothing to do with us, if muslims have issues with other communites and the other way around we should keep out of it. If it means telling people we are not muslim then so be it cos we are not muslim. The only time some muslims see as brothers is when their own community is under scrutiny. you have a misconception. I believe the panth comes first not anti muslim groups, our very own librials do most of the damage on this subject. Put the panth first, what ever other communites want to do with their issues with one another is up to them. There's nothing wrong with telling people who we are and who are not.

[Sakura]

I'm all for Sikhs saying flat out 'I am not a Muslim'. I've seen too many times when some prominent Sikhs have come out with quotes on their social media and even t shirts where they say 'We are not terrorists'. This does nothing at all in my opinion. In fact it makes them look even more Muslim in a way. Because even Muslims are saying that. We need a Sikh/Sikhs to have the balls just to plainly say 'I/We are not Muslims'.

I can see how some people may get offended by that but so be it. I don't see it as purposefully trying to offend Muslims or even by accident. I just see it as logical. If by saying flat out we are not Muslims, we are massively reducing the chances of attacks on innocent Sikhs in the future. Saying we are not terrorists does nothing.

By saying we are not Muslims does not mean we are saying it is ok to attack Muslims even though it may be interpreted that way.

What we can follow up with is 'I am not a Muslim, having said that, all Muslims are not terrorists'. Something like that.

[jkvlondon]

I'm all for Sikhs saying flat out 'I am not a Muslim'. I've seen too many times when some prominent Sikhs have come out with quotes on their social media and even t shirts where they say 'We are not terrorists'. This does nothing at all in my opinion. In fact it makes them look even more Muslim in a way. Because even Muslims are saying that. We need a Sikh/Sikhs to have the balls just to plainly say 'I/We are not Muslims'.

I can see how some people may get offended by that but so be it. I don't see it as purposefully trying to offend Muslims or even by accident. I just see it as logical. If by saying flat out we are not Muslims, we are massively reducing the chances of attacks on innocent Sikhs in the future. Saying we are not terrorists does nothing.

By saying we are not Muslims does not mean we are saying it is ok to attack Muslims even though it may be interpreted that way.

What we can follow up with is 'I am not a Muslim, having said that, all Muslims are not terrorists'. Something like that.

how about saying I'm a human so is everyone else , get a life

[dallysingh101]

See from my experiences over a few decades now, what happens is that we (Sikhs) end up fighting everyone at some point. Here is the thing: we end up fighting with others on the same side (temporarily) and today's friends is tomorrows enemies and vice versa. If we get this and not crawl up anyone's ar5e, we'll be better off.

We got here, had to fight white pr1cks, then tuvay got jumped up around then (not least because they were taking their cues from goray). During these kicks offs we actually fought with paks on the same side. Fast forward a few years, and here we are fighting with the very same paks over grooming conversions, and the same honkys who hated us now (for their own agenda) bend over backwards to try and sweeten us up.

Then hammer, look at those black kick offs in your town a few years ago! Did you not see our lot temporarily liaising with paks to combat that?

Do you get where I am going with this?

Ultimately, we don't know who we are going to end up kicking off with.

The real problem is the proliferation of pu55y ar5sed cowardice amongst Singhs and Singhnis. If our lot banged heads more often when they got messed with, people would soon learn to leave Sikhs the eff alone.

Maybe the first and most important fight we have to have is with those soft as sh1te pu55ys in our own community? And Hammer, this doesn't necessarily mean 'liberals'' as you put it. Half these people giving it large on the Internet about Khalistan/India and sullay and whatnot are some closeted, scared giddarhs living in the lap of luxury in some leafy suburb.

how about saying I'm a human so is everyone else , get a life

It's different when you're a bloke - things are infinitely more likely to get physical. A put down is often just the start of things.

[jkvlondon]

See from my experiences over a few decades now, what happens is that we (Sikhs) end up fighting everyone at some point. Here is the thing: we end up fighting with others on the same side (temporarily) and today's friends is tomorrows enemies and vice versa. If we get this and not crawl up anyone's ar5e, we'll be better off.

We got here, had to fight white pr1cks, then tuvay got jumped up around then (not least because they were taking their cues from goray). During these kicks offs we actually fought with paks on the same side. Fast forward a few years, and here we are fighting with the very same paks over grooming conversions, and the same honkys who hated us now (for their own agenda) bend over backwards to try and sweeten us up.

Then hammer, look at those black kick offs in your town a few years ago! Did you not see our lot temporarily liaising with paks to combat that?

Do you get where I am going with this?

Ultimately, we don't know who we are going to end up kicking off with.

The real problem is the proliferation of pu55y ar5sed cowardice amongst Singhs and Singhnis. If our lot banged heads more often when they got messed with, people would soon learn to leave Sikhs the eff alone.

Maybe the first and most important fight we have to have is with those soft as sh1te pu55ys in our own community? And Hammer, this doesn't necessarily mean 'liberals'' as you put it. Half these people giving it large on the Internet about Khalistan/India and sullay and whatnot are some closeted, scared giddarhs living in the lap of luxury in some leafy suburb.

It's different when you're a bloke - things are infinitely more likely to get physical. A put down is often just the start of things.

don't worry i've mixed it with boys too they weren't too worried about beating a girl cos she was a paki with a turban....to quote the line they used...we've got to stop expecting others to be decent just because we are

[StarStriker]

I listened to the show, it was complete garbage.

[Sakura]

how about saying I'm a human so is everyone else , get a life

Get a life? I've got one thanks. If Sikhs like you carry on being so PC, you won't have a life for too much longer.

I have nothing against Muslims, hence me putting in the statement after, all Muslims aren't terrorists. I don't have to do that but I would if I was put in the position because I care about innocent Muslims being targeted as well.

Chill with the personal attacks!

[dallysingh101]

Get a life? I've got one thanks. If Sikhs like you carry on being so PC, you won't have a life for too much longer.

I have nothing against Muslims, hence me putting in the statement after, all Muslims aren't terrorists. I don't have to do that but I would if I was put in the position because I care about innocent Muslims being targeted as well.

Chill with the personal attacks!

I got to say: what you are saying seems REALLY reactionary and cowardly. This is no personal attack btw.