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This strange backwards act of Dhumma forcing himself on DamDami Taksal is underhanded and completely not in accordance with DamDami Taksal ethics and morals. The students of DamDami Taksal who appointed him did so out of arrogance. The Dhumma clan is saying higher ups in Taksal appointed him, which in itself is very questionable. Reading DamDami Taksal history the appointing of the next Jathedar happened by the previous Jathedar or Sant or Sants. Sant Baba Sundar Singh ji was appointed as Jathedar by the previous Jathedar of DamDami Taksal, Sant Baba Bishan Singh ji. Next in line was Sant baba Gurbachan Singh ji who was appointed by the previous Jathedar. Sant Baba Kartar Singh ji would be the next Jathedar, but there is only mention of how Sant baba Gurbachan Singh ji had said multiple times that Sant Baba Kartar Singh ji will be the next Jathedar of the Taksal. Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji didn't tie the dastar as a sign of making him the next Jathedar. However, Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji's word was followed by the Taksal.

This is where the Dhumma clan will want to hide or alter the history of how Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa became the next Jathedar after Sant baba Kartar Singh ji. Sant Baba Kartar Singh ji was involved in a serious car accident. He was taken to the hospital where the doctors would have to remove his hair to address his injuries. Sant Baba Kartar Singh ji refused to remove any hair and due to his injuries he left his body for Sachkhand. Before leaving his body, Sant Baba Kartar Singh ji had given the responsibility to Sant baba Thakur Singh ji to appoint the next Jathedar. Taking on the seva Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji tied the dastar of DamDami Taksal on Sant Jarnail Singh ji.

After 1984 attack on Sri Harmandir Sahib, Sant baba Thakur Singh ji announces Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa is still the Jathedar of DamDami Taksal. From 1984 to the time Sant baba Thakur Singh ji left his body in 2004, he never appointed anyone to be the next Jathedar of DamDami Taksal. When asked and pressured by students of the Taksal, Baba ji had always given the response Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa is the Jathedar. If anyone was going to appoint the next Jathedar of Taksal, it would have been Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji because he was trusted by Sant Baba Kartar Singh ji to appoint the next Jathedar after him. Gursikhs like Bhai Gurdev Singh ji Kaunke were around after the attack of 1984 to be appointed as the next Jathedar of Taksal. Yet Baba ji did not appoint anyone. If anyone deserved the dastar, it was Bhai Gurdev Singh ji Kaunke. Harnaam Singh Dhumma was around Baba ji, but never did Baba ji give him the dastar of DamDami Taksal.

Some have and make the argument, after Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji, somebody had to lead the Taksal. This weak attempt falls on deaf ears because only Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji could have appointed the next Jathedar, if there was going to be one. The argument stops at Baba ji saying the Jathedar is still Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa. Some say baba ji was the next Jathedar, but Baba ji never said he was the Jathedar and how could this be when Baba ji is saying Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa is the Jathedar. Additionally, why did the corrupt Taksal students wait two decades to appoint their own corrupted student as the Jathedar? Why didn't they do it in 1984 or a year or two afterwards?

Sant Baba Kartar Singh ji trusted Baba ji to appoint the next Jathedar. Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa made plans after the attack of 1984 for the Dharm Yudh Morcha. But how come Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa did not instruct Baba ji to appoint the new Jathedar after him??????? Such an important role must have been discussed if their was going to be another appointed Jathedar. Once a person looks at the facts without getting emotional. It is very evident who is the Jathedar and who has imposed himself on the DamDami Taksal.

A very nice and true analysis of the situation. However, I do remember seeing a video on YouTube where Sant Baba Thakur Singh Ji signs a document saying that Dhumma is the next jathedar.

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A very nice and true analysis of the situation. However, I do remember seeing a video on YouTube where Sant Baba Thakur Singh Ji signs a document saying that Dhumma is the next jathedar.

I have seen one (signed) which says Dhumma will not be the mukhi. Are you sure you read it correctly?

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A very nice and true analysis of the situation. However, I do remember seeing a video on YouTube where Sant Baba Thakur Singh Ji signs a document saying that Dhumma is the next jathedar.

You must be mistaken because even the dhumma clan makes up a story of how the so called senior members of taksal got together to appoint the next jathedar after Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji left this earth. Why make up a story when a letter was signed to so called support dhumma. Doesn't add up. Dhumma would not let such a letter be lost or go unmentioned for these many years. He would provide it to the Sikh world for all to see. Secondly Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji would have tied the dastar on Dhumma before he left or gave the seva to a Sant of Taksal to tie the dastar on dhumma but neither happened. I'm mention again two decades went by and no dastar was tied on anyone's head with Baba ji around. If such a video existed, it would be on Dhumma Facebook page. Nothing of this sort exist. There is a video of Baba ji and dhumma among other singhs talking but they are discussing Ram Singhs misbehavior of self electing he is the next Jathedar. If such a video existed, we know one member who protects dhumma on this site would have shoved it down my throat, just to shut me up in the past half of a decade. I can say with certainty no video exist and there is a misunderstanding on your part.

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This strange backwards act of Dhumma forcing himself on DamDami Taksal is underhanded and completely not in accordance with DamDami Taksal ethics and morals. The students of DamDami Taksal who appointed him did so out of arrogance.

So you are claiming thay the majority of the students from the Taksal were arrogant? That's some claim.

This is where the Dhumma clan will want to hide or alter the history of how Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa became the next Jathedar after Sant baba Kartar Singh ji.

So in the 12 odd years since Baba Harnam Singh became mukhi, how many of his "clan" have altered or hidden this history?

When asked and pressured by students of the Taksal, Baba ji had always given the response Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa is the Jathedar. If anyone was going to appoint the next Jathedar of Taksal, it would have been Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji because he was trusted by Sant Baba Kartar Singh ji to appoint the next Jathedar after him. Gursikhs like Bhai Gurdev Singh ji Kaunke were around after the attack of 1984 to be appointed as the next Jathedar of Taksal. Yet Baba ji did not appoint anyone. If anyone deserved the dastar, it was Bhai Gurdev Singh ji Kaunke.

You are jumbling your history up on purpose here. No one disputed the fact the Baba Thakur SIngh was acting head of the Taksal in Sant Ji's absence. Jathedar Kounke was shaheed around early 90s. Even upto that time no-one questioned who would be the next head. If they did, Baba JI would say that Sant JI is the one to make this decision, he will be back to make it. But it was accepted all the time, that Baba Ji would not nominate any successor. It was over ten after Jathedar Kounke that Baba Ji passed away.

Some have and make the argument, after Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji, somebody had to lead the Taksal.

And what is wrong with that? If any of the Taksal students thought it was wrong, they wouldn't have bothered to choose a new leader.

This weak attempt falls on deaf ears because only Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji could have appointed the next Jathedar, if there was going to be one. The argument stops at Baba ji saying the Jathedar is still Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa.

So you would still have us all waiting for Sant Jarnail Singh to return to Panjab in that time?

To the person who started this thread:

Why did Baba Thakur Singh refuse to name a successor? What reply did he give to those who asked and why?

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I have seen one (signed) which says Dhumma will not be the mukhi. Are you sure you read it correctly?

Bro , I've been looking for that video recently. If I find it I'll post it here.
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Also, here's another :

2 very conflicting views.

I wish you had dug a little deeper. I didn't dig deep at all and found the video of Baba Ram Singh saying, let ants take over my body if I ever say I am the 15th Jathedar of Taksal. Baba Ram Singh even says let the media outlet come tomorrow and I will announce, I am not the 15th Jathedar of Taksal. The video you present of Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji signing a letter shows, Baba Ram Singh is not the Jathedar and was not given the seat of Taksal by Baba ji. Also the second video you present of Baba Ram Singh interview takes place after Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji leaves this earth and he can say whatever he wants after the fact. Same goes for Dhumma. Both are crooks in the matter of trying to steal the seat of the 15th Jathedar of Taksal. Conflicting views only occur if you take the word of Baba Ram Singh over the word of Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji.

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http://www.sikh24.com/2016/06/02/baba-dhummas-uk-supporters-give-threat-more-chabeels-to-come/#.V1EquKSDTqA

Why is the Dhumma clan all of a sudden challenging Sikhs now? I can think with my pride and challenge this self styled sect back. Yet this is not about who has a bigger army or heart. Dhumma has been criticized countless times by parcharaks, media and Sikhs in general since he claimed to be the next Jathedar of Taksal. Never did he or any of his clan members fire a round or say anything in the criticizers direction. What is prompting him to give such orders now? Who is giving him the orders? What is his end objective since he went against Damdami Taksal and self-appointed himself. Why is RSS challenging Sikhs to fights and then not showing up but Sikhs get arrested? Dhadrianwale is a pond in a chess match. When a smaller guy challenges a bigger guy, who will beat his face into the ground it is most likely a set up. The corrupted and gullible members of Taksal are repeating throughout the Sikh networks....Dhadrianwale bad mouth Taksal. This never happened but this one lie is the game changer. If the Sikh sangat believes it, the fight against corruption in the Khalsa Panth moves a hundred steps back. Dhumma is aligned with Badal because Dhumma can politically stay in power without being challenged. But this favor comes with a price. Badal does not help anyone out for free. Elections are coming up and Badal has lost a lot of votes. Badal's chance of winning is not looking good. Dhumma in this respect has no choice but to help his corrupted business partner.

Creating a rift in the Khalsa Panth will only help Badal gain votes and the Dhumma clan has already started this rift. We as a group can play into it or be smart about it and let them speak their hollow words where we spread the truth. Dhadrianwale did not insult Taksal in any fashion and actually encouraged Sikhs to look at the root of Taksal as the best example to follow. Where was these threats when Guru Sahib was disrespected countless times. If Sant ji was here, heads would be on spikes.

Also to the Sikhs who have mass respect for Taksal. Don't be disheartened by Taksal preachers supporting Dhumma. Believe in the true Jathedars because Akal Purakh worked through them to spread Gurmat. These Jathedars live with us today through the divine teachings they gave us. They can't be erased from our memories and they are our support.

Dittea vaj nhi rehna dharam sir dittea vaj nhi rehna

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One thing that doesnt help is when the jathe preach different forms of Sikhi. I have no hate,but i have seen with my own eyes that Baba Ranjit Singh has declared there is no Dharamraj. When such a popular parcharak sides with missionaries, he only goes against the oldest institutions of the sikh panth.

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One thing that doesnt help is when the jathe preach different forms of Sikhi. I have no hate,but i have seen with my own eyes that Baba Ranjit Singh has declared there is no Dharamraj. When such a popular parcharak sides with missionaries, he only goes against the oldest institutions of the sikh panth.

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Who cares you don't hire a hitman and send your goons to kill someone over difference in veechar. You don't kill someone because they have fallen do you? By mentioning this stuff they are justifying attack and being apologists for dhuma.

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