Budha Dal Is Punjva Takht, Chalda Vaheer

[Jonny101 4,496]

A small point :

If you listen to the katha of Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji Maharaj Rara Sahib Wale, at the end, almost all the time Sant Baba Teja Singh Ji is doing the ardaas. Now, if you listen to the newer recordings (i.e. from the 70s) in the ardaas they refer to 5 takhts. However, if you listen to the older recordings they refer to FOUR Takhts.

Good point.

[dharamyudh 1,126]

[dharamyudh 1,126]

Panjva Takht 

[SikhKosh 654]

So the oldest reference to five 'takhts' you could find was from 1880 (172 years after Guru Gobind Singh, touching the 20th century) ?

Are these takhts mentioned by name in Suraj Parkash or Gur Bilas, or other older scriptures ?

[dharamyudh 1,126]

8 hours ago, SikhKosh said:

So the oldest reference to five 'takhts' you could find was from 1880 (172 years after Guru Gobind Singh, touching the 20th century) ?

Are these takhts mentioned by name in Suraj Parkash or Gur Bilas, or other older scriptures ?

Dunno, maybe crack them open and read for them for yourself in order to answer your question. 

I think it's a pretty reliable source. Baba Sumer Singh Ji, Mahant of Takht Patna Sahib, was part of Giania Bunga whose educational/scholarly institution traces their lineage back to the likes of Bhai Mani Singh all the way to Maharaj themselves. I also believe Mahakavi Santokh Singh Ji belonged to this Bunga. 

[SikhKosh 654]

2 hours ago, dharamyudh said:

Dunno, maybe crack them open and read for them for yourself in order to answer your question. 

I think it's a pretty reliable source. Baba Sumer Singh Ji, Mahant of Takht Patna Sahib, was part of Giania Bunga whose educational/scholarly institution traces their lineage back to the likes of Bhai Mani Singh all the way to Maharaj themselves. I also believe Mahakavi Santokh Singh Ji belonged to this Bunga. 

They're not mentioned in there. There are so many sampardas with 'lineages' going back to the likes of Bhai Mani Singh or Baba Deep Singh and they contradict each other on many things. So not a valid argument.

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10 hours ago, SikhKosh said:

They're not mentioned in there. There are so many sampardas with 'lineages' going back to the likes of Bhai Mani Singh or Baba Deep Singh and they contradict each other on many things. So not a valid argument.

Believe what you wanna believe bro. Giania Bunga and their lineage is well established.