CHAUR SAHIB SEWA

[Sher Khalsa]

Actually there were amritharis in Guru Nanak's time... they took Charan di Amrit,

Guru Gobind Singh Ji, since he was the last human guru he changed it to Khandai di amrit

[Son of Guru Gobind Singh Ji]

So amrittharis are not Sikhs? and read other posts about charna amrit.

and JSS, did you miss my post on Bhai Kanhiya Ji above?

[brampton DDT]

again..you're taking one thing and trying to link it to another thing....

surrendering yourself doesn't necessarily mean...taking amrit.....

are you saying bhai kanaiya ji wasn't a true sikh???

when khande the amrit is taken, you must tell the punj that you giving ur tun, mun, thun.

You physically surrender yourself to the Guru when you take amrit.

I am not saying Bhai Kenaiya Ji wasnt a true gursikh, I dont know whrether he took amrit or not. Wasnt Prof. Puran SIngh a 20th centru scholor...............I wonder how he knew how Bhai Kanaiya Ji was not amritdhari

[Balait_da_Sher]

hsq Kylq qyry dyhury AwieAw ]

hasath khaelath thaerae dhaehurae aaeiaa ||

Laughing and playing, I came to Your Temple, O Lord.

Bgiq krq nwmw pkir auTwieAw ]1]

bhagath karath naamaa pakar out(h)aaeiaa ||1||

While Naam Dayv was worshipping, he was grabbed and driven out. ||1||

hInVI jwiq myrI jwidm rwieAw ]

heenarree jaath maeree jaadhim raaeiaa ||

I am of a low social class, O Lord;

CIpy ky jnim kwhy kau AwieAw ]1] rhwau ]

shheepae kae janam kaahae ko aaeiaa ||1|| rehaao ||

why was I born into a family of fabric dyers? |

;|1||Pause||

lY kmlI cilE pltwie ]

lai kamalee chaliou palattaae ||

I picked up my blanket and went back,

dyhurY pwCY bYTw jwie ]2]

dhaehurai paashhai bait(h)aa jaae ||2||

to sit behind the temple. ||2||

ijau ijau nwmw hir gux aucrY ]

jio jio naamaa har gun oucharai ||

As Naam Dayv uttered the Glorious Praises of the Lord,

Bgq jnW kau dyhurw iPrY ]3]6]

bhagath janaa(n) ko dhaehuraa firai ||3||6||

the temple turned around to face the Lord's humble devotee. ||3||6||

[Jash]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

i'm sorry for saying this...but what if u're in such a place where all u can c are mones...then how??? don't tell me u're gonna stop him/her from doing chaur seva...even if they have a clean heart to do that seva....

i feel..in a place where i'm in....god'll understand...for now,i'm an amritdhari n i'm there to do the seva n paath n all...but next month...i will b out of this small lil town i'm in to a bigger town n there'll b no one here to do...no more amritdharis...all mones...which will b my dad and another family ONLY....my mom will b following me for a few months and then she'll b back here...but she's not an amritdhari too...

well..there are a lot of mistakes we do in our lives...we mite b making tons of mistakes in the gurdwara...but we don't realize it...but once we know our mistakes..and if we can try no to repeat those mistakes...then i'm sure we'll do our best...but chaur seva, well..itz a seva..n it should b for all....therez always equality in sikhi...no differences whether a person is a mona or an amritdhari...

thatz what i feel...

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Guest Amrik$ingh]

if someone wants to show there respect to the guru granth sahib, then i dont see why not, whether there an amritdhari or not

[Jaspaul Singh]

I know places such as Trinidad where there are places where there are no gursikhs and punjabi communities would get together to build themselves a gurdwara. And i have friends and i have seen pictures, what should be done in this case ??? WHo should be doing the seva of CHaur sahib and what not ????? Guys think about it !!!!

AND PLEASEEEE LOOK AT BALAIT DA SHER'S WONDERFUL QUOTE FROMBANI HE JUST GAVE!!! :wub:

[V]

hsq Kylq qyry dyhury AwieAw ]

hasath khaelath thaerae dhaehurae aaeiaa ||

Laughing and playing, I came to Your Temple, O Lord.

Bgiq krq nwmw pkir auTwieAw ]1]

bhagath karath naamaa pakar out(h)aaeiaa ||1||

While Naam Dayv was worshipping, he was grabbed and driven out. ||1||

hInVI jwiq myrI jwidm rwieAw ]

heenarree jaath maeree jaadhim raaeiaa ||

I am of a low social class, O Lord;

CIpy ky

jnim kwhy kau AwieAw ]1] rhwau ]

shheepae kae janam kaahae ko aaeiaa ||1|| rehaao ||

why was I born into a family of fabric dyers? ||1||Pause||

lY kmlI cilE pltwie ]

lai kamalee chaliou palattaae ||

I picked up my blanket and went back,

dyhurY pwCY bYTw jwie ]2]

dhaehurai paashhai bait(h)aa jaae ||2||

to sit behind the temple. ||2||

ijau ijau nwmw hir gux aucrY ]

jio jio naamaa har gun oucharai ||

As Naam Dayv uttered the Glorious Praises of the Lord,

Bgq jnW kau dyhurw iPrY ]3]6]

bhagath janaa(n) ko dhaehuraa firai ||3||6||

the temple turned around to face the Lord's humble devotee. ||3||6||

THeres a difference, whereis you can give uer head to

the Guru and recieve all the honours of doing everything, being born into a society of social classes u can't :wub:

bhull chukk maaf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Balait_da_Sher]

hsq Kylq qyry dyhury AwieAw ]

hasath khaelath thaerae dhaehurae aaeiaa ||

Laughing and playing, I came to Your Temple, O Lord.

Bgiq krq nwmw pkir auTwieAw ]1]

bhagath karath naamaa pakar out(h)aaeiaa ||1||

While Naam Dayv was worshipping, he was grabbed and driven out. ||1||

how can u say that the person who is being told to stop doing seva because he is a mona, wont feel the pain like bhagat namdev jee.

Whats the difference between an Amritdhari stopping someone from doing Seva, and Brahmins telling someone that they cant cometo the temple because of their caste?

Also, that shows ego when one says "oh i have given my head to Guru ji so i can do whatever seva i want, where as u cant". :T:

[V]

An Amritdhari doesn't say u can't do seva- it's the rehit.

No-one will take a mona and throw them out

Bhagat NamDev ji was thrown out cause he was a so-called low caster

anyoene is welcome to Gurdwara and remember Vaheguru

Anyone can come in and listne to the pavitar bachan of GUru SAhib. Anyone can join the pavitar Langar di Pangat.

THe Sakhi of Guru Gobind SIngh ji replacing the sevadar who plucked out a white hair tell s us that it's pleasing to Maharaj if u follow hukam as well.

There are a lot of other Sevas tha can be done in the Gurdwara

A Shudar can't change his caste, oen who has true lvoe for Maharaj can always change his or her jeevan

bhull chuk maaf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!