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There has been a steady rise of cases where girls from Sikh families are marrying into Hindu families. Historically, culturally and traditionally this has been going on for decades however it wasn't as acceptable and the norm as it has become now

Back in the days when Sikhs married with Hindu's it was with the understanding that the Hindu person would convert to Sikhism or at least brought up any kids they had as Sikhs but now it seems the opposite, since 1940s Sikhs have not be bothered about their demographics with disastrous consequences (not being forming khalistan/sikhistan during independence talks being one of them). We often see Sikhs on this forum complain of the muslim demographic take over by targeting Sikh girls and other non-muslim females for creating a high muslim population. However if we have cases where Sikh females are married of and converted to Hinduism then they also don't create Sikh kids either they tend to do what their Hindu husband and in-laws family wants have Hindu kids with Hindu names and they worship idols in mandir, this isn't a problem on a individual case basis but it is a problem when we look at the larger picture and the decline of Sikh population in India as the last census showed.

Hindus are 1 billion strong, Sikhs barely 20 million in India.... You know there is something very wrong going when our so called Sikh leadership in india is not concerned and on their watch our population is not rising year on year by either conversions or birth rate.

 

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4 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Indian Sikhs aren't very Sikh if you haven't noticed; you could see Amritdharis still doing idol worship and going to Mandir.

Yes its madness, I personally hold the SGPC at fault for this. You can see a direct collaration between when current rehit maryada was drawn up in 1940s/50s to the huge number of sehajdhari Sikh families being pushed into the hindu punjabi corner and eventual troubles that resulted with Sikhs from 1940s onwards.

Even the inciters and encouragers of violence and murders of Sikhs in anti-sikh genocide of 1984 were born of or married to sikh females.

Sajjan kumar = married to a Sikh female

Jadgdish tytler = Born to a Sikh mother

Amitab bachan = Born to a Sikh mother

Manika (Anand) Gandhi =  Sikh female who became indira gandhi's daughter in law was married Indira's son Sanjay Gandhi.

 

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6 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Interesting point from an outsider about us "imploding." I wonder what indicators he's observed that allowed him to reach that conclusion?

hindu infiltration into every aspect of gurdwara management , I remember watching an Italian chef visiting Harmandir sahib who showed him round ? a hindu family and they were quite happy to claim everything as part of their dharam landscape , then when he wanted to donate atta/rice to the langar , who is sitting alongside the sikh recepit writer but a Hindu pandit like he is in charge . My husband just took one look and then said <banned word filter activated> ? what's he doing there  (no he wasn't an udasi before someone says it ) .

The police is controlled by hindu goon squad ... our strong gursikhs are stuck in the jail system under the mountain of false cases. Why is it the legal burden of proof is not there prior to arrests like the legal system they inherited??

Our state govt is controlled by goons and stifled by central laws and controls . there is zero fight for Punjab's rights even on matters that are illegal in international law.

Main way is our kids are not aware of sikhi , they know more about bollywood storyline and gossip  and have had they heads with inferiority complex about their roots in language and faith. They would rather blend in like lame ducks  by shaving, cutting their hair and being 'okay yaar' coolio dudes..rather than defending females' honours they are now molesting , raping the girls they are supposed to think of as sisters. The 'sisters' think they are clever and modern if they deny Waheguru and get lush every weekend ...fitte muh. Ishq de chakkar with Hindus because they don't want to be like their folks ...it's braindead in the extreme.

ANyone in the forces is now on notice to comply with the 'jai mata di' crowd or get sanctioned and probably kicked out. 

People need to give their business only to sikhs to bolster and keep the money in the local economy , if farmers are not getting good prices for their crops they need to contact a new organisation which has been started by sikh guys to locate foreign buyers direct for the crops . Education and parchaar need to be full on especially in the youth scene. Drug rehab and health clinics too

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I wonder exactly why Sikhs think Hindus are their allies? There isn't any real history of this ever since the coming of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji to today? (Sindhis don't count to anyone claiming that).

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33 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

I wonder exactly why Sikhs think Hindus are their allies? There isn't any real history of this ever since the coming of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji to today? (Sindhis don't count to anyone claiming that).

Most Hindus are pretty pro-sikh that's until Sikhs want their own sovereignty and a say on important political matters and thats when they turn against Sikhs or don't have much respect for us. As long as our people are pro-india and say "hindustan zindabad" or "bharat mata ke jai" or "jai hind" they are happy with us as soon as we say "khalistan zindabad" for our own Sikh national interests they turn hostile.

Same like pakistani muslims as long as you are pro-pakistan and praise pakistan they love Sikhs but as soon as you say you want Sikh rule over pakistan or lahore to be capital of Khalistan the pak muslims go quite or turn hostile.

Most punjabi/haryana/himachel basically the northern Indian subcontinent hindus have some sort of Sikh ancestry or  family ties and lineage as back in the days Sikhs came into being from majority hindu converts. Also during the islamic invasions and rulers the northern subcon hindu's were instrumental in keeping Sikhi alive and helping shelter them during extreme persecutions because it was a mutually beneficial relationship as Sikh warrior would go into banditry ambush raids and pitched violent bloody battles with jihadi muslim armies and take back the war booty stolen from hindu kingdoms.

The martha Hindu empire joined forces with Sikh clans of punjab in various military campaigns against the muslim invaders until the martha's started to have designs on punjab and wanted to occupy it for their own empire and thats where there was clashes. So for example in the final battle of panipat the Sikhs stayed out rather than help their once hindu allies and because of that the hindu martha armies suffered a heavy defeat and a genocide after under the hands of the afghan muslims.

So Sikhs and Hindus have alot of shared history.

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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Does this happen in the pinds? I've not been back in a while, so things have probably changed. 

No, it doesn't happen in our villages. I hesitate to talk about caste, but there are some castes in which there are both Hindus and Sikhs living in close proximity, and in those cases sometimes they give or take daughters. The reason it doesn't happen in villages is because it's been 3/4 of a century or so since those castes lived in the villages; they've almost all moved on to the cities.

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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Does this happen in the pinds? I've not been back in a while, so things have probably changed. 

The problem is with mostly city sikhs, its usually to do with money and lifestyle aspirations. Instead of matching someone that is of the same faith but of lower income or living standards they let their brainwashed bollywood cucked daughters to go off with non-sikhs.

The pend village/town sikhs tend to be quite traditional conservative and forth right in only marrying their daughters of to other sikhs just the way it should be.

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4 minutes ago, genie said:

The pend village/town sikhs tend to be quite traditional conservative and forth right in only marrying their daughters of to other sikhs just the way it should be.

Yes, but their problem is caste; what would happen if a Chamar Sikh wanted to marry a Jatt Sikh or a Khatri Sikh, we all know what would happen.

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7 hours ago, genie said:

There has been a steady rise of cases where girls from Sikh families are marrying into Hindu families. Historically, culturally and traditionally this has been going on for decades however it wasn't as acceptable and the norm as it has become now

 

Thanks for highlighting the demographic issue. Many Sikhs are simply blind to such issues. I don't believe Guru Gobind Singh Ji intend to create a panth determined to commit demographic suicide.

 

The evidence for this is simply the fact that Guru Sahib created a Panth in the first place: You don't create a Panth if you don't intend for it to survive, and for it to survive, it must take measures to survive. That should be totally obvious, but there's a lack of common sense among the most "educated" among us.

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8 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Yes, but their problem is caste; what would happen if a Chamar Sikh wanted to marry a Jatt Sikh or a Khatri Sikh, we all know what would happen.

Yup that's the biggest issue with pendu village Sikhs they may be fiercely loyal to Sikhi but they can be just as loyal to their hindu castes too which is kinda oxymoronic and defeats the purpose of being a Sikh. On a positive note most western Sikhs are marrying out of their castes only very backward Sikhs are sticking to their own hindu inherited castes.

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