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[Guest Jagsaw_Singh]

3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I've been reading some stuff from Nassim Nicholas Taleb (Lebanese)and he got into a bit of an altercation with Mary Beard  (the historian ) regards to people from Africa in the Roman Empire. 

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He also doesn't like Northern Europeans appropriating Greek culture as part of European culture

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He sees the Mediterranean as one culture, interesting perspective. 

 

Mate, that's exactly what I said in the philosophy pages of my 'Home Truths' thread...and I got crucified for it

You see, at the end of day, it's not about what I or the Lebanese fella says because for this one only has to look at what the ancient Greek philosophers themselves had to say on the matter. They made it abundantly clear that they look to the east (Punjab etc) for inspiration on philosophy and guidance on civilisation and see the northern Europeans (especially the Germans) as uncivilised barbarians who could barely be taught to stand up straight let alone understand philosophy. But these northern Europeans, much later, wanted to preach an idea that they were superior to other races so they decided upon using science as a way of 'proving' their race was better.

(btw don't forget that philosophy is not just a science it is perhaps the greatest of sciences - also I'm kinda glad that my thread here has taken a science based turn because ultimately that is where I wanted to take it)

So they appropriated Greek philosophy because it's existence helped them make their point about their 'superiority'.

This theme of appropriation continues to this day. We know how the Indians treat us but they appropriate how dance and food culture because it helps them make a point to the rest of the world of 'great they are'. White society treat black people badly but they appropriate black music and dance when it suits them.

Now this is what I truly love about this Cheddar Man story - which in some way also encompasses the philosophical theme if we take into account the Harlem Renaissance / French Negritude movement of the 1920's in which black people sought to use the white man's own tool of enslavement (his language) against him. What the Cheddar man story reveals is that the thing that invented racism, made racism and kept racism alive for hundreds of years : Science ........is now the very thing that can be used to destroy it. That is not only truly incredible...it is truly wonderful.

 

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, Guest Busia Anda said:

You are either too stupid or dishonest, hard to tell....but I'm leaning on stupid. LOL! Its like the retard in class laughing at everybody else not knowing he is the joke. LOL!!!!!

You're that American Punjabi cuck who worships goreh, aren't you? Your name escapes me. Your prodigious use of LOL and undeniable air of mental retardation gave you away. Why don't you post with your regular account? We can get better acquainted. ?

[Ranjeet01]

3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

she's always been fairly even headed even in the heat of the flames of misogynists like Taleb , she contends that as Romans were meritocracy based to some extent that Africans were also included in elite positions in society . Taleb gets wound up easily , everyone knows Romans picked up Greek culture and philosphical ideas and spread it Northwards to the outer parts of their empire , so if anglos are spouting greco-roman stuff then that's understandable as far as I remember Greece and Italy are part of mainland europe and have been since forever . Lebanese culture is very different and distinct and yet has more in common with middle eastern countries than other euro-Mediterranean cultures.

Well I think the bone of contention for Taleb was the BBC website that showed a regular Roman British family being black.

He took great offence to it because when we think African we think sub saharan Africa but the Roman provinces in Africa were around the Med. If you look at North Africa,  these guys look Mediterranean rather than sub saharan. 

I guess he would take it more personally since Lebanese are decendants of Phoenicians who were sea farers who set up colonies on the North African coast that became the Carthaginian empire. 

Though he did go over the top with Beard. 

The likes of Taleb considers the Lebanese as the same as the Euro Mediterranean and he always uses the J2 gene to show that this is the case. 

He even.considers the Lebanese dialect of Arabic not to be Arabic at all but it's own language. 

[jkvlondon]

57 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Well I think the bone of contention for Taleb was the BBC website that showed a regular Roman British family being black.

He took great offence to it because when we think African we think sub saharan Africa but the Roman provinces in Africa were around the Med. If you look at North Africa,  these guys look Mediterranean rather than sub saharan. 

I guess he would take it more personally since Lebanese are decendants of Phoenicians who were sea farers who set up colonies on the North African coast that became the Carthaginian empire. 

Though he did go over the top with Beard. 

The likes of Taleb considers the Lebanese as the same as the Euro Mediterranean and he always uses the J2 gene to show that this is the case. 

He even.considers the Lebanese dialect of Arabic not to be Arabic at all but it's own language. 

considering roman provinces went down as far as nubia (southern eygpt) where you do get the negroid features it is a possibilty for there to have been black families but it was Beeb that stated typical not Beard who said it would not have been surprising . I mean napoli people are well dark much more than lebanese or indians who com off as pale ...

seems like Taleb has a problem being part of the arab nations , with it destructive path etc.

[YOYO29]

22 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

If Sikhs in the UK (considering that we are predominantly from Punjab ) married with British born Sikhs and not import spouses from Punjab, with our adaptation to the climate we could very well turn white.

Like Jews ? i mean that's how most Jews (considering their mid eastern background) today look like white people.

[Guest Jagsaw_Singh]

1 minute ago, YOYO29 said:

Like Jews ? i mean that's how most Jews (considering their mid eastern background) today look like white people.

Yeah...like Woody Allen ? 

No but seriously, not all of them. Some of them, like Lord Alan Sugar, have reverted back to monolithic looks:

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, YOYO29 said:

Like Jews ? i mean that's how most Jews (considering their mid eastern background) today look like white people.

nah the khazars are white europeans from western russian area who converted en mass to avoid muslimfication they are not the true hebrews ...

[Ranjeet01]

5 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

considering roman provinces went down as far as nubia (southern eygpt) where you do get the negroid features it is a possibilty for there to have been black families but it was Beeb that stated typical not Beard who said it would not have been surprising . I mean napoli people are well dark much more than lebanese or indians who com off as pale ...

seems like Taleb has a problem being part of the arab nations , with it destructive path etc.

The Nubians around the South Egypt/North Sudan do not look like the typical Sub Saharan African.

That part of Africa along with the Somalis, Ethiopians and Eritreans have similar features compared to other Africans.

But it would very well been in the realms of possibility that they would be part of the Roman Empire since Egypt became a Roman province.

[Ranjeet01]

4 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

Like Jews ? i mean that's how most Jews (considering their mid eastern background) today look like white people.

That would be the Ashkenazi Jew. Could very well be possible but I wonder sometimes how much intermarriage took place.

[jkvlondon]

26 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The Nubians around the South Egypt/North Sudan do not look like the typical Sub Saharan African.

That part of Africa along with the Somalis, Ethiopians and Eritreans have similar features compared to other Africans.

But it would very well been in the realms of possibility that they would be part of the Roman Empire since Egypt became a Roman province.

 

nubians: variable features and colour...BTW Cheddar man reminds me more of Australian aboriginal features including the light colour eyes which they have too