How to reframe life for kids ...

[jkvlondon]

On 1/8/2019 at 1:58 PM, mahandulai said:

its not even that big a deal

having talked to a few young lads professionally who are trapped in suicidal depression because they cannot respond to live females in their lives because of PIED (porn induced erectile dysfunction, I disagree it is destroying lives

[mahandulai]

2 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

having talked to a few young lads professionally who are trapped in suicidal depression because they cannot respond to live females in their lives because of PIED (porn induced erectile dysfunction, I disagree it is destroying lives

can be resolved easily , simple rewiring, other reasons I am thinking are present, not the p word

cmon doc

thank yu,

next

 

[MisterrSingh]

It erodes the soul over time. I don't say this from a religious perspective just a general humanist pov. 

[Guest]

what if this is what they want to do ? to tell kids about sex ?

Perhaps this was their ultimate aim and they knew you would do that. and that pornified culture is just a red herring .

Thank god I stay in india . But i know its already pretty bad here since indians like to ape westerners and have thrown their own culture in trash

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

what if this is what they want to do ? to tell kids about sex ?

Perhaps this was their ultimate aim and they knew you would do that. and that pornified culture is just a red herring .

Thank god I stay in india . But i know its already pretty bad here since indians like to ape westerners and have thrown their own culture in trash

You're a smart guy, so can you explain to me as objectively as you can as to why the Indian intellect labours under such cognitive dissonance, that it resents and derides the Westerner yet simultaneously holds his culture in esteem (whether knowingly or otherwise) and ultimately holds the western mindset in a form of reverence, and perhaps also one day hopes to reside in these lands? If the distaste for their ways was genuine and total, then surely even the merest of associations would be considered unpalatable?

[Guest]

10 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

You're a smart guy, so can you explain to me as objectively as you can as to why the Indian intellect labours under such cognitive dissonance, that it resents and derides the Westerner yet simultaneously holds his culture in esteem (whether knowingly or otherwise) and ultimately holds the western mindset in a form of reverence, and perhaps also one day hopes to reside in these lands? If the distaste for their ways was genuine and total, then surely even the merest of associations would be considered unpalatable?

1000 years of slavery at foreign hands surely has put a dent in their self-esteem which the hindu nationalists now try to replace with the "advanced ancient indian culture" in which advanced surgeries and test tube babies happened. But I think this is not the actual reason.

The actual reason could be that west has always colonized the minds and markets of foreign nations. Most sought-after-brands in India are foreign , mostly western brands especially when it comes to their dressing sense and accessories. The west does this by social engineering via media , cartoons, etc . 

When we grew up in the 90s in india , cartoon network was hugely popular amongst kids . Initially they never showed anything about diwali , and christmas season used to feature lots of christmas themed cartoons which we loved to watch. The fever was so crazy with christmas I used to make christmas trees on my own . And decorate it with baubels. Having grown out of it now , I see same fever present in corporate offices where they decorate their offices with christmas trees, lightings , and cottons (snow lol) when infact there might not be a single christian in that office . oh the irony LOL 

The america of the 80s and 90s was uber-rich , with revenue surplus among the government and china was not as much of a threat as it is now .  Seeing pics of a beautiful white family next to the chimney fire and a beautiful christmas tree in their wooden white-picket fenced home still rings of that euphoria of the good-old-rich america . 

I think what killed america was the wars initiated by Bush in the middle east . Thats what killed murica , both karmically and fiscally , and we see the effects now China which was growing silently at the time is now almost shoulder to shoulder with america. And thus the trade wars and so on . My gut feeling tells me this will somehow someday erupt in a third WW. 

 

[MisterrSingh]

4 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

1000 years of slavery at foreign hands surely has put a dent in their self-esteem which the hindu nationalists now try to replace with the "advanced ancient indian culture" in which advanced surgeries and test tube babies happened. But I think this is not the actual reason.

The actual reason could be that west has always colonized the minds and markets of foreign nations. Most sought-after-brands in India are foreign , mostly western brands especially when it comes to their dressing sense and accessories. The west does this by social engineering via media , cartoons, etc . 

When we grew up in the 90s in india , cartoon network was hugely popular amongst kids . Initially they never showed anything about diwali , and christmas season used to feature lots of christmas themed cartoons which we loved to watch. The fever was so crazy with christmas I used to make christmas trees on my own . And decorate it with baubels. Having grown out of it now , I see same fever present in corporate offices where they decorate their offices with christmas trees, lightings , and cottons (snow lol) when infact there might not be a single christian in that office . oh the irony LOL 

The america of the 80s and 90s was uber-rich , with revenue surplus among the government and china was not as much of a threat as it is now .  Seeing pics of a beautiful white family next to the chimney fire and a beautiful christmas tree in their wooden white-picket fenced home still rings of that euphoria of the good-old-rich america . 

I think what killed america was the wars initiated by Bush in the middle east . Thats what killed murica , both karmically and fiscally , and we see the effects now China which was growing silently at the time is now almost shoulder to shoulder with america. And thus the trade wars and so on . My gut feeling tells me this will somehow someday erupt in a third WW. 

 

You've lived a fairly middle-class life by Punjabi Indian standards. It's understandable the urban Indian lifestyle is bound to be affected by external factors such as cultural rub-off from Western culture. I'd argue your experiences are a little more organic and "ahista, ahista" than what transpires in villages in Punjab, where some people barely had running water 15 or 20 years ago, and are now driving Humvees and are using iPhones, lol. As I noted on this forum a few years ago, you can't go from 0-100mph in a societal development / evolutionary sense, and not expect there to be problems. Change and progress -- and most importantly, the psychological capabilities of the human brain in as much as how it functions relates to the world and other people -- takes time to adjust and recalibrate in an individual sense and in the wider communal sense, too. It's the equivalent of giving a child spoonfuls of sugar and then expecting him not to get hyper. 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I'd argue your experiences are a little more organic and "ahista, ahista" than what transpires in villages in Punjab, where some people barely had running water 15 or 20 years ago, and are now driving Humvees and are using iPhones, lol

those are not the same people , right ? 

The rich ones u mentioned are mostly landlords aka jatts . They were rich back then, they're rich now. The last time punjab got cash rich was during green revolution in the 60s but unfortunately it even saw beginning of patit-puna amongst punjabi men

[Ranjeet01]

1 hour ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

those are not the same people , right ? 

The rich ones u mentioned are mostly landlords aka jatts . They were rich back then, they're rich now. The last time punjab got cash rich was during green revolution in the 60s but unfortunately it even saw beginning of patit-puna amongst punjabi men

There is this myth that Jatts were rich and powerful then.

My mum used to tell me that a baniya in his 9 square foot shop could earn as much money as a Jatt who had acres of land.

Difference today is that land prices are so high today in Punjab, the Jatts who hold that land are able to capitalise on those land prices. 

That is big part of the reason why these types have been able to purchase things to show the appearance of wealth.

The problem I see that these guys are noveau riche and noveau riche types can be quite obnoxious because they have not seen money before with all this shiny new stuff at their disposal they are making up for what they feel they have missed out on.

[MisterrSingh]

2 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

those are not the same people , right ? 

 

Same people, more or less. Their success is entirely their own, and nobody begrudges them reaping the rewards of hard work. I suppose they'd be the Punjabi equivalent of what "old money" in the West would refer to as the nouveau riche; old money passes its riches and wealth and titles down from generation to generation, whereas the aforementioned nouveau riche were almost "overnight" successes if we count overnight as one man's lifetime. That's something that causes resentment for some people, and from an old money vs nouveau riche perspective it's very much an issue of breeding and class than purely financial issues, whereby the saying goes, "You can buy a lot with money, but decorum / class is not one of those things."