Should Sikhs be proud?

[dallysingh101]

 

On 10/23/2018 at 8:27 PM, mahandulai said:

so you are to wear bana and turbans to fight an internal battle? Get outa here.

Have a look at this Precolonial Sikh text for some information:

Go to Episode 14 on page 119 (in the scribd page number box - not the internal book page numbers) and see an explanation of the creation of the Khalsa and some reasons for Guru ji giving bana. 

The answers to your questions are out there, you just seem way too lazy to go through the effort to find them bro. Face up to that. Maybe you think all religions should be like Abrahamic ones where everything is simplified for idiots. Sikhi ain't like that. It demands a lot from you, including intellectual effort. 

 

https://www.scribd.com/doc/54832175/Vol-1-SRI-GUR-PANTH-PRAKASH-by-Rattan-Singh-Bhangoo-Trans-Kulwant-Singh

 

Here's a taste - 

 

[Guest GuestSingh]

imo the op isn't wrong but then the replies in this thread are not wrong either..think the problem is with the word pride and how each person defines it according to their own thinking, beliefs etc..

personally it's always sounded like ego and arrogance but that's just my interpretation..would admiration and gratitude be better and more appropriate choices? think it would save confusion too..

[mahandulai]

16 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

 

Have a look at this Precolonial Sikh text for some information:

Go to Episode 14 on page 119 (in the scribd page number box - not the internal book page numbers) and see an explanation of the creation of the Khalsa and some reasons for Guru ji giving bana. 

The answers to your questions are out there, you just seem way too lazy to go through the effort to find them bro. Face up to that. Maybe you think all religions should be like Abrahamic ones where everything is simplified for idiots. Sikhi ain't like that. It demands a lot from you, including intellectual effort. 

 

https://www.scribd.com/doc/54832175/Vol-1-SRI-GUR-PANTH-PRAKASH-by-Rattan-Singh-Bhangoo-Trans-Kulwant-Singh

 

Here's a taste - 

 

don't turn this on me. I am not reading that.

 

[mahandulai]

9 hours ago, GuestSingh said:

imo the op isn't wrong but then the replies in this thread are not wrong either..think the problem is with the word pride and how each person defines it according to their own thinking, beliefs etc..

personally it's always sounded like ego and arrogance but that's just my interpretation..would admiration and gratitude be better and more appropriate choices? think it would save confusion too..

wow. hello. my hero. please everyone, we have a normal human being, listen....

 

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, mahandulai said:

don't turn this on me. I am not reading that.

 

So let's get this straight. You constantly whine about things not being clear to you, but when someone points you towards an independent Sikh text that might help answer your obviously nagging doubts, you refuse to read them.....

What is it that you're after? Confirmation of your already existing opinions? 

Where do you expect to get answers from? Random people on the internet?

Nah, 'Sikh' itself means learner. Your doubts seem to a symptom of a lack of sincere effort (on your part) to find the truth about Sikhi. No one said this is easy (sharp as double-edged sword and as fine as a hair). And I'm not trying to say I know it all, but at least make sincere efforts to immerse yourself into authentic Sikh heritage and literature to make yourself well informed before you start going on about this and that. That's logical.

BTW, I've seen this before. Young guys who've been exposed to scientific methodology during a few years at uni who then seem to think that this answers everything. They've all grown out of it as they've mentally matured. I bet if we spoke to you a few years from now, you'd be singing a different song to the one you are now. 

What the hell is scaring you so much that you are even too frightened to read a text written a by Sikh from 150/200 odd years ago? Doesn't make sense!

[mahandulai]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

So let's get this straight. You constantly whine about things not being clear to you, but when someone points you towards an independent Sikh text that might help answer your obviously nagging doubts, you refuse to read them.....

What is it that you're after? Confirmation of your already existing opinions? 

Where do you expect to get answers from? Random people on the internet?

Nah, 'Sikh' itself means learner. Your doubts seem to a symptom of a lack of sincere effort (on your part) to find the truth about Sikhi. No one said this is easy (sharp as double-edged sword and as fine as a hair). And I'm not trying to say I know it all, but at least make sincere efforts to immerse yourself into authentic Sikh heritage and literature to make yourself well informed before you start going on about this and that. That's logical.

BTW, I've seen this before. Young guys who've been exposed to scientific methodology during a few years at uni who then seem to think that this answers everything. They've all grown out of it as they've mentally matured. I bet if we spoke to you a few years from now, you'd be singing a different song to the one you are now. 

What the hell is scaring you so much that you are even too frightened to read a text written a by Sikh from 150/200 odd years ago? Doesn't make sense!

a person debating, does not have to read every single thing that someone throws at them, especially when the person is not verified,

[mahandulai]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

So let's get this straight. You constantly whine about things not being clear to you, but when someone points you towards an independent Sikh text that might help answer your obviously nagging doubts, you refuse to read them.....

What is it that you're after? Confirmation of your already existing opinions? 

Where do you expect to get answers from? Random people on the internet?

Nah, 'Sikh' itself means learner. Your doubts seem to a symptom of a lack of sincere effort (on your part) to find the truth about Sikhi. No one said this is easy (sharp as double-edged sword and as fine as a hair). And I'm not trying to say I know it all, but at least make sincere efforts to immerse yourself into authentic Sikh heritage and literature to make yourself well informed before you start going on about this and that. That's logical.

BTW, I've seen this before. Young guys who've been exposed to scientific methodology during a few years at uni who then seem to think that this answers everything. They've all grown out of it as they've mentally matured. I bet if we spoke to you a few years from now, you'd be singing a different song to the one you are now. 

What the hell is scaring you so much that you are even too frightened to read a text written a by Sikh from 150/200 odd years ago? Doesn't make sense!

ud be singing different song too.

I am not scared.

I have read it. 

[jkvlondon]

21 minutes ago, mahandulai said:

a person debating, does not have to read every single thing that someone throws at them, especially when the person is not verified,

err if someone is giving source material for their argument , then yeah if it really is a debate you would take it on and try to get the gist to able to reply adequately, but I suspect that is not your intention. 

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, mahandulai said:

a person debating, does not have to read every single thing that someone throws at them, especially when the person is not verified,

That should be an interesting part of your journey. Verifying texts and their authenticity. It really is a fascinating subject in itself!

Forget me, interrogate the literature. 

[scali]

The aim of Sikhi is to realize that there is oniy one of us GOD in many manifestations. The separation is an illusion play of consciousness.The aim is a Sikh is not be be zero. If you believe that you are a zero than you create that in ur life since ur thought is the granddaddy of ur physical experience here. If u read Bandginama of Raghbir  Singh he thought the same his belief in simran was to become zero and his health start deteriorating he started become mentally unstable. Though he reversed everything by meeting a saint to realize aim of Simran with belief is  to realize he is GOD himself and so is the whole creation since there is only One of us. The duality maya is an illusion. So why not Sikhs be proud that the Gurus are telling him they are the ultimate truth.