Guru Nanak - Visit to Mecca

[Big_Tera 1,134]

Its well known that alot of muslims believe Guru Nanak was a Muslim.

The arguement they give is that Guru Ji travelled to mecca and so must have been a muslim.  ie no non muslims are allowed in Mecca. So how and why did Guru Nanak go there if no non Muslims is allowed there. There is only one way . if Guru pretended that he was a muslim to enter. 

Also the story is was accompanied on this journey by Bhai Mardana who was a muslim who wanted to do the hajj pilgrimage and so Guru nanak accompanied him there. 

[RajKaregaKhalsa1 373]

31 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:

Its well known that alot of muslims believe Guru Nanak was a Muslim.

The arguement they give is that Guru Ji travelled to mecca and so must have been a muslim.  ie no non muslims are allowed in Mecca. So how and why did Guru Nanak go there if no non Muslims is allowed there. There is only one way . if Guru pretended that he was a muslim to enter. 

Also the story is he was accompanied on this journey by Bhai Mardana who was a muslim who wanted to do the hajj pilgrimage and so Guru nanak accompanied him there. 

Before in the old days Makkah/Mecca was not bordered etc. Like nowadays with technology since those Arabian countries are rich with their oil.

Guru Sahib never pretended to be a Muslim, if you went to Mecca there were just no guards or anything, I think

[Big_Tera 1,134]

1 hour ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

Before in the old days Makkah/Mecca was not bordered etc. Like nowadays with technology since those Arabian countries are rich with their oil.

Guru Sahib never pretended to be a Muslim, if you went to Mecca there were just no guards or anything, I think

Why would Guru Nanak go to a place that is strictly out of bounds for non muslims?. Akin to breaking the law or something like that. Preeching in mecca in those times as is today would result in harsh penalty for a non muslims. 

I think the whole idea that Guru Nanak went to mecca in the first place is not based on sound evidence  

 

[Bundha 623]

That is exactly the reason why Guru Ji went to Mecca, to break the rules of so called pious people who only payed lip service to worshipping the Almighty. When was Guru Ji ever scared to confront false rituals, Guru Ji went to Mecca to show the people the true path to God. It is written in Bhai Gurdass  //'s are you saying they are wrong also?

Guru Ji visited the centres of all the major eastern faiths. Guru Ji went to Varanasi, does that make Guru Ji a Hindu?

Guru Ji travelled all the way to Nepal and in to the Himalayas does that make Guru Ji a Buddhist ?

Only Guru Ji is claimed by all faiths, do the hindus claim Mohammad ? Do the muslims claim Krishan Ji? Glory be to Guru Nanak Dev Ji that all try to claim Guru Ji and the most amazing thing is that Guru Ji belongs to all of them, all they have to do is open their hearts to the love of Guru and the path is there to be followed.

 

 

[chatanga1 176]

5 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

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I think the whole idea that Guru Nanak went to mecca in the first place is not based on sound evidence  

 

Bhai Gurdas Ji waaran are not sound evidence for you? 

You are placing your faith on “evidence “?

[jkvlondon 5,730]

8 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

Its well known that alot of muslims believe Guru Nanak was a Muslim.

The arguement they give is that Guru Ji travelled to mecca and so must have been a muslim.  ie no non muslims are allowed in Mecca. So how and why did Guru Nanak go there if no non Muslims is allowed there. There is only one way . if Guru pretended that he was a muslim to enter. 

Also the story is he was accompanied on this journey by Bhai Mardana who was a muslim who wanted to do the hajj pilgrimage and so Guru nanak accompanied him there. 

it is the misunderstanding of just how Mecca and Medina were administered back in the time , at the time of Guru ji's visit there was still traders going to and from both  and they were not all muslim ...the complex was under Ottoman rule during Guru ji's visit , the administration of the towns went to khatard muslamaan on the change of empire controlling and that is when the doors closed to non-muslims .

Guru ji went to ALL the centres of the major religions at the time to do parchaar of sikhi: hindu (sadhu, sanyasi, yogis, jains, buddhists, muslims shia and sunni, Catholic church . I suspect judaism also (referred to as part of kateb family)

I doubt Bhai Mardana ji would be so dhila in his faith of Guru ji that he would request to go haaj ... people it seems have used this angle because they cannot connect the dots and see the message's need to travel to the hearts of all previous faiths.

[puzzled 3,976]

There is a historical Gurdwara in bagdad, that shows that guru nanak ji did travel all the way to the middle east.  

outside the gurdwara you can see some muslim graves 

[Not2Cool2Argue 644]

They say in those times, the requirement to visit mecca was that u believed in 1 God. 

Also the saakhi we have of Guru Nanak Dev ji is that Guru ji traveled with the hajjis. And pointed their feet toward mecca. Doesnt really say if they went into the kabba.or if they completed the whole hajj. 

Perhaps Guruji was trying to teach the hajjis that God is everywhere. And Gurujis conversation with a qazi is recorded.

Also janam sakhis, complied by bhai vir singh tell of this visit. It names the qazi who talked with guruji. 

Also there is a new manuscript found written in arabic, by muslims who converted to sikhi in the middle easr. Bhai pinderpal singh talk abt it. 

You arent willing to look into historical document or do research. But u want proof. Dont be like shallow like most ppl in the internet are. Take a few things and start selling it to ppl and arfuing with ppl. 

[RajKaregaKhalsa1 373]

On 11/20/2018 at 8:18 PM, chatanga1 said:

Bhai Gurdas Ji waaran are not sound evidence for you? 

You are placing your faith on “evidence “?

Guru Arjan Dev ji Maharaaj said these Vaars are the key to Gurbani. That's why we take them as so important. And since Guru Sahib said that, that's enough

[APEY13 1]

On 11/20/2018 at 4:47 AM, Big_Tera said:

Its well known that alot of muslims believe Guru Nanak was a Muslim.

The arguement they give is that Guru Ji travelled to mecca and so must have been a muslim.  ie no non muslims are allowed in Mecca. So how and why did Guru Nanak go there if no non Muslims is allowed there. There is only one way . if Guru pretended that he was a muslim to enter. 

Also the story is was accompanied on this journey by Bhai Mardana who was a muslim who wanted to do the hajj pilgrimage and so Guru nanak accompanied him there. 

C'mon dude MECCA is name of the city..... Anyone is allowed there..... The pilgrim is called MEDINA......  nd i dont think Bhai gurdas mentioned Baba inside Medina....

[jkvlondon 5,730]

5 hours ago, APEY13 said:

C'mon dude MECCA is name of the city..... Anyone is allowed there..... The pilgrim is called MEDINA...... nd i dont think Bhai gurdas mentioned Baba inside Medina....

bro there are two holy cities in arabia for muslims mecca and medina , and both are restricted to muslims only. The pilgrimage is called the haaj . like I said before read around the subject

[APEY13 1]

2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

bro there are two holy cities in arabia for muslims mecca and medina , and both are restricted to muslims only. The pilgrimage is called the haaj . like I said before read around the subject

Ohh.   

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On 11/20/2018 at 5:20 PM, puzzled said:

There is a historical Gurdwara in bagdad, that shows that guru nanak ji did travel all the way to the middle east.  

outside the gurdwara you can see some muslim graves 

There is this video showing that the place exists still, but is in total shambles.  A lone man is taking care of it, bless him. If I someday decide to give up my wordly ways of working to pay rent and feed myself and finding a wife then I will commit to the ways of the nihang, yet not be one of skin, and occupy this place.   I was freed by sikhi to see God as he truly is, I owe it to the Guru for showing me this.

 

[Banda Singh 15]

A famous book written by a non-muslim, from the times of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, that mention visiting Mecca by Ludovico di Varthema was published in 1510. So its not out of the question.

Some good information is also available here -

http://www.sikhanswers.com/gurmat-islam/why-guru-nanak-visit-mecca-if-not-muslim/