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10 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

There are twisted sick ppl who do that kinda of stuff just fame or ruin others lives out of spite..which sick i know cases where false allegations which were cleared but ruined the 'accusers' lives. However also know and personally experience 1st hand the other side and myself and they give the green light, because there no-one to tell and out of fear. Without going to details, at some point at late teen i had stopped going Gurdwaras, stop believing Sikhi/God and hated everyone.

Its not easy thing esp dealing with it in our kaum. There noone to go to, or no body set up to deal with these issues professionally.  

SAS, Sikh Youth UK , police that is for the actual victims and their families not hot under the collar peeps who have heard something.

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1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

this website is a front for trouble makers 

not this site...the other website

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27 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

not this site...the other website

that's who I was talking about

 

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My friend at the time (over 10 years ago, he was a teenager) was new into sangat. And of course, who better than the dynamic youth parcharak Sukha Singh, right? In fact, my friend was so influenced by him, that he tried to tie a dumalla (though he wasn't very good).

Once, he tied a dumalla with a farla, took a picture and sent it to one of his friends, which then reached Sukha. Obviously we know that only Akali Nihangs wear farla, but please bear in mind, my friend was a teenager kid, very new to sangat and did not really know about this maryada. This was enough to pump up Sukhas anger and ego, and instead of talking to him like a normal person, he devised a plan with 4 other Singhs to "punish" him. Honestly, they made it out that my friend was the biggest panth dokhi after Aurangzeb and Abdali Shah. 

The other thing that bothered Sukha was my friend would attend the Shastar Vidiya akhara of Gurdev Nidar Singh Ji. And instead of dealing with Nidar Singh, Sukha took the cowards route and decided to punish an outnumbered, small teenager kid.

The irony is, one of the boys who was in the so called "panj piyare" was a close friend of my friend, and also used to attend the akhara! Talk about betrayal...

These 5 cowards committed a despicable act, outnumbered a teenager kid, who trusted them (especially Sukha), and beat him up for his "sins". 

And before this went to court (I don't have a court reference number to hand, but I'll see if my friend still has it (it's been 10 years lol)), they tried to bribe my friend's family, and use other threats and scare tactics to ensure this doesn't go to court.

In the end however, they got off Scott free, as they were able to afford the best barristers etc. Even now, in the justice system, money talks.

Each one of those 5 cowards knows what they did. They know that they followed Sukha like sheep and committed this act of betrayal. 

One thing my friend says to me whenever we talk about what happened is, "Bhaji, when Sukha picked my up and brought me there, they couldn't even look me in the eye and were hanging their heads!", to which I always reply "because those cowards knew what they were about to do was wrong!".

For those who don't believe and think Sukha is amazing, I don't blame you one bit. Because, just like you, I used to be the same, and so was my friend. Unfortunately for him though, he learnt the hard way...

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1 minute ago, 1Anonymous1 said:

So your friend was amritdhari and he broke his Amrit so he went to Sukha Singh who got 4 other singhs and became panj pyaare? So his tankha was to get beaten up? What did he do? It doesn’t matter if the post gets taken down. 
 

tbh when I was growing up at my gurdwara there were older singhs who were nihangs who used to ask me and my friends about our rehat and if we’re doing nitnem. One time I remember a Singh who was around 14 didn’t wash his kesh for like a month. When the singhs told him to take off this dumala his kesh stank! And they weren’t combed either. The singhs slapped him up, not too bad but enough to teach him a lesson. After that day he started to wash his kesh everyday lol. Now we do sangat of those singhs every time we go gurdwara. 

In dalpanth peshis this stuff happens a lot actually. If a Singh has broken his Amrit or is not following rehat properly the singhs will warn him and then if he carried on then they will use the “akal daan”, the sotta. 

But breaking his jaw is harsh though, what did he do. 
 

Also Sukha Singh used to be a farladhari mahakal, where’s his farla at now? It’s common knowledge why it’s gone. He’s changed his life around now, and he’s brining loads of youngsters into the panth. Everybody’s deserves a second chance. He probably has a higher avashtha than all of us. I’m not saying what he did isnt wrong, but time and time again maharaj tells us that all kilvikh can go through naam simran. He’s already done his peshi with panj Singh, Guru sahib has dealt with him. Who are we to judge now?  His Katha and the amount of gyaan he has is crazy 

My friend was not Amritdhari, never has been. Hence he is not in any way shape or form bound to this kind of beating. This was nothing short of thuggery. If they believe what they did was valid, then they wouldn't have to this day lied about it. I have already stated Sukhas reasons for this unwarranted act of assault, please re read my previous posts. 

The gyaan Sukha has is irrelevant. Ravan had so much gyaan, he wrote a steek of the Vedas (not available in publication), and yet he committed the most reprehensible things known to mankind.

I must say that I'm not at all surprised by your words. Though I wonder, if your defensive view of him would be the same if he had done the same to you or a loved one. Would you still be as charitable with your "forgiveness". Somehow, I don't think so...

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10 minutes ago, Koi said:

My friend was not Amritdhari, never has been. Hence he is not in any way shape or form bound to this kind of beating. This was nothing short of thuggery. If they believe what they did was valid, then they wouldn't have to this day lied about it. I have already stated Sukhas reasons for this unwarranted act of assault, please re read my previous posts. 

The gyaan Sukha has is irrelevant. Ravan had so much gyaan, he wrote a steek of the Vedas (not available in publication), and yet he committed the most reprehensible things known to mankind.

I must say that I'm not at all surprised by your words. Though I wonder, if your defensive view of him would be the same if he had done the same to you or a loved one. Would you still be as charitable with your "forgiveness". Somehow, I don't think so...

Yh sorry I wrote that post before reading your post on the full story. It’s clear Sukha Singh was completely in the wrong 

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1 minute ago, 1Anonymous1 said:

Yh sorry I wrote that post before reading your post on the full story. It’s clear Sukha Singh was completely in the wrong 

Kalyug never fails. Sorry to hear all this. 

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10 hours ago, 1Anonymous1 said:

This is exactly why I dont follow one particular Jatha or just listen to only one singhs Katha. I’ve learnt the hard way how all this jathebandi fanboy stuff can mess up your jeevan. The young singhs aren’t to blame that much, they just want sangat of likeminded individuals and those who practice abhiyaas. It’s the olders that take advantage of the new singhs and turn them against other jathebandis because they don’t follow “their rehat”. I know because I’ve been through it. 
 

Even if someone’s level is 108, they can still make a mistake. That’s why maharaj has said only guru ji and akaal purakh are abhul. People love to suck up to one particular parcharak or sant, and then when their karam comes out in the open, people can’t handle it and turn away from sikhi or they just ignore it and says it’s all lies.  It’s all because they placed this “sant” or parcharak at the same level as guru ji and gave the same love to them. 
 

This happened at the time of bhai sahib bhai randhir Singh, a “Sant” came for peshi and said he only did one bujjar kureaht, he had a very large following. The panj singhs were full naam abhyaasi, jot vigasi and so bhai sahib saw all his karam and saw that he had done all four bujjar kurehats! When the news came out all the sangat that followed him turned away from sikhi . So many singhs and singhnia left sikhi just because they placed all their trust in this sant and not the same sharda for guru sahib. 
 

Just pray to guru ji straight, no need for a middle man. Naam japo, bani parro listen to all katha with a pinch of salt as every kathavachak will have a little bias towards their school of thought. This is why we should do our own khoj. 

Wise words.

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It's also very important to call these people out very publicly when something like this happens. Unfortunately, in our modern day Panjabi culture, we are very much encouraged to sweep things under the rug for the sake of "izzat". Perpetrators like this need to be very publicly named and shamed. We need to start doing this now. Our children's future depends on it.

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19 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

this website is a front for trouble makers who are trying hard to discredit as many sikhs as possible on the flimiest of evidence I would steer clear. If you have issues bring it to Singhs like Mohan Singh SAS, Sikh Youth UK and Panj and they will ensure the right thing is done after investigation. DO NOT TRASH A SIKH'S REPUTATION this is Guru ji's instruction.

Bhenji, whilst we want to maliciously trash the reputation of any Sikh (not our intention), we should never sit idley by and turn a blind eye when things like this happen, even if it's "prominent" Gursikhs. And this is exactly why perpetrators do these things and get away with it, because they know they can. They know that, because of their status within the sangat, people will be ready to stand by them. And, because the truth is known only by a few, their voices get drowned out entirely because they are called liars etc.

I absolutely 💯 agree that we need to go through the system (police, other organisations etc.). But sometimes the system does fail you. And in the case of sexual abuse, in an alarming percentage of cases, the system does fail the victim. 

And in the case of my friend, he did go through the police, the courts. The right way. But in the end, money and power set the perpetrators free. And when that happens, you lose faith in the system. You do. 

I genuinely fear for the people who still trust people like these perpetrators. And unfortunately, these die hard fanboys only realise when it happens in their own home, but by then it's too late...

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22 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

...........................wow...just speechless 

Are they young boys, toddlers...and was it one incident or many??

Teenager. This is the only case that I know. There might be a few more

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