to do kirtan do you need a nice voice

[Koi]

@MuslimNeighbour, Sikhs eat roti, so do Hindus. Clearly Sikhs have been influenced by the Hindus.

Neither did your prophet invent the Arabic language, nor did he invent the Arabic script. Shall we therefore assume it was stolen, sorry, "influenced" by previous preexisting cultures?

And please come up with better points. This is getting embarrassing. 

[jkvlondon]

6 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Well that's an assumption made by you based off of all the Hindu influence your religion has including Kirtan. It's easy to see why Hindus legitimately hold a view of SIkhi being a direct offshoot of their faith if not thinking it's pretty much the same thing and their Constitution calling you guys long haired Hindus. Had black Christians been around the time your Kirtan was developed no doubt you'd have their clapping in there too.

missing your qawaalis are you? which BTW uses voices in Raag, yodeling, clapping aand harmonium tabla too ...WOW the full house !!! YOu are  HINDUS  TOO welcome to your roots

[Guest London jwaan]

8 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

So according to you, using instruments during your little sing a longs holds more value in the sight of God over pure vocals? Because that's what you're basically implying.

When Adhan and Salah were revealed it was to be performed the way the Prophet instructed per God's command, simple as that.

Which of your 10 Guru's implemented Kirtan?

No matter what you say you cannot escape the massive Hindu influence on your faith which supposedly has nothing to do with Hinduism, oh and praising Hinduism over Islam is to be expected from your kind.

You're talking about handicaps and superstitions, this is what happens when you follow and actually take what Islamophobes have to say as Gospel. Playing musical instruments or not being permitted to listen to music has nothing to do with superstition regardless of whichever Hadith you try to bring up that you 'learned' from the likes of the sociopath Wood and there are differing opinions on the matter anyway. You mention these things as though your Sikhi doesn't tell you to wear a turban including your women and have uncut hair, kachera being a certain length, wearing bangles, carrying swords and what not, come on lad.

Now, Muslimneighbour, that’s a fairly idiotic post.

Was it revealed to you in your Hadith that it’s ok to have sex with blood relatives and then Marry them? But you do it anyway......tell me, does that make your Bhua your mother in law too?

 Nowhere in sikhi, stated or implied, is anything that claims gurus were gods. 
 

come to think of it, where in the Koran does it say that it’s ok to put suicide vests on and blow the hell out of innocent proper because you don’t like the fact that we are not Muslim?

 None of the above has anything to do with Islamophobia. You do in fact sleep with your blood relatives and use suicide vests as a way to demonstrate your intolerance for anyone that does not blindly believe in your extremist, intolerant nonsense.

 So I think you don’t need to worry too much about our “little sing a longs”. You need to worry more about inbreeding and the widespread terrorism in your backward, nonsensical communities that treat women like animals, allowing you to have four wives like anyone else may keep labradors.

 Come to think of it, please let us know what each of your wives would call each other? Would it be wife, sister or something else?

[Koi]

10 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

So according to you, using instruments during your little sing a longs holds more value in the sight of God over pure vocals? Because that's what you're basically implying.

And are you suggesting when you shout the azaan from the top of your voices, or read the quran, both without instruments, that God gives that more importance. Because basically that's what you're implying. 

Try and be consistent with your criticism. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. 

I'll ask you a point blank question to make it easier for you. Which is more superior?:

A) using instruments and vocal

B) using vocal only 

C) neither is more superior 

The answer may shock you if you're a narrow minded individual, but won't surprise you at all if you're open minded. And this time, please try not to dance around the issue or run away from the question. 

[jkvlondon]

9 hours ago, Kaurr said:

Guru Nanak Dev Ji, with Bhai Mardana Ji

Bhain ji I thought it was Akal Purakh with ong....

[Koi]

14 minutes ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Qawwali isn't a form of Islamic prayer, nice try though. It's honestly sad how silly you show yourself to be in all your posts. Also hilarious how your Sangat cannot shake the Hindu influence on your faith so now you're coming up with well we all eat roti etc... thanks for the chuckle as always jkvlondon.

So that's your deal? Trying to find similarities between Sikhi and Hinduism, and use that to trigger people? Raise the level of your discussion mate, you're only embarrassing yourself. All religions have similarities...what is your point exactly?

[jkvlondon]

31 minutes ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Qawwali isn't a form of Islamic prayer, nice try though. It's honestly sad how silly you show yourself to be in all your posts. Also hilarious how your Sangat cannot shake the Hindu influence on your faith so now you're coming up with well we all eat roti etc... thanks for the chuckle as always jkvlondon.

really it is NOT a form of prayer ?? I guess I know more than you then :

 

Origin and History of the Qawwali
By Adam Nayyar, Lok Virsa Research Centre, Islamabad. 1988.

PREFACE

Lok Virsa (the National Iristitute of Folk and Traditional Heritage) has the mandate of collecting, documenting, archiving and projecting all aspects of our cultural traditions.

Under the Research Report Programme, preliminary work done on various elements of traditional culture is made available to the reader as soon as possible in order to ensure that the research work done by Lok Virsa does not remain only archival, but also can reach a wider readership.

The medium of qawwali to present the deep mystical ,philosophy of Sufi Islam is generally known, but very little has been written about it to date. In this report, Lok Virsa endeavours to give the reader a background to the origins and history of qawwali and the setting in the villages where it is performed. Among the performers, the focus is on a bearer of a great tradition of qawwali, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and his group. Having had the honour of winning the President's Pride of Performance Medal, they are performing at the National Folk Music Festival of Pakistan 1988.

1 .1 Islamic Sources and Sama’

Qawwali as a musical form is closely linked to the sufic traditions of Islam and the particular practices that Sufi scholars developed to achieve closeness to God. Arab musicologists such as al-Kindi (d.873) and al-Farabi (b.872) wrote on the effects of music, but the first to take into account the relation between music and trance were the Brothers of Purity (lkhwan al-safa), "a group of philosophers, scientists, mathematicians, and litterateurs who flourished at AI-Sasra during the second half of the eleventh century"1 . lt remained for the great Muslim philosopher AI-Ghazali to unify the knowledge of his time.

1.1,1 AI-Ghazali and the lslamic Musical Tradition

Kitab adab al-sama:y wa al-wajd, the "Book of the Right Usages of Audition and Trance‘.’ - such is the title given by AI-Ghazali (1085-111 1 ) to the eighth section of his famous Ihya u’lum al-din, "Book of the Revivifying of the Sciences of Faith." Written at the beginning of the twelfth century AD, this book is one of the most

important treatises on Sufism.2

From this source and other contemporary writers, it is possible for us to reconstruct a description of a ceremony called sama’. Sama’ is a concept difficult to translate, since it covers a range of meanings from audition to listening to the spiritual aspects of a musical concert rendered for that purpose.3

By the end of the eleventh century, a sama’ was a spiritual concert in which the music was mainly sung, sometimes by a soloist, sometimes by a chorus, including instrumental elements of varying importance. The concert took place under the direction of a sheikh. The solo singing was provided by a cantor.

The faithful listened to the music seated, in a state of inner contemplation, and allowed themselves to be gradually overcome by trance. Return to calm and normality was likewise brought about by the sound of music suitable for that purpose.

1 .2 The South Asian Context - Qaul and Tarana

1 .2.1 Sufism and the Developed Musical Tradition in South Asia - Amir Khusraw

Hazrat Amir Khusraw (1253-1325)4, a famous Sufi saint and an expert both in Indian and Persian music at the court of Ala’ al-Din Khilji, Sultan of Delhi (12961316) is credited with the introduction of Persian and Arabic elements into South Asian music. Of particular importance are two musical forms: Tarana and Qaul, which is said to be the origin of Qawwali, a form of Muslim religious song.

However, there is evidence that qawwali predates Hazrat Amir Khusraw: the great Sufi Masters of the Chishtiya and Suhrawardia Orders of South Asia were admirers of the qawwali and the Saint Hazrat Outubuddin Bakhtiar Kaki is said to have died in 1236 while in a musical trance induced by a qawwali 5

 

If you want to read more then you can learn on this page :

https://sites.google.com/site/sufiqawwali/home/history-of-qawwali

[Kaurr]

7 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

Bhain ji I thought it was Akal Purakh with ong....

Yes

But when it comes to which of the 10 gurus then its guru nanak dev ji

[Jonny101]

58 minutes ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Qawwali is not Islamic prayer any more than Bhangra is for you, it was not prescribed by the Prophet as a form of worship for Allah, case closed. Keep trying though Kaur.

 

If Mohammed was born in India and started his religion here, Azan would probably sound like Qawali or Bhajans. The only reason It just sounds like an ancient form of Arab Yodel is because it was started in the Arab peninsula.

But even you must admit Mohammad banning instruments, hatred for dogs and not being allowed to buy a house on mortgage because of interest is illogical in today's world. And he threatens you with iternal hellfire if you don't believe in these superstitions. Life must suck as a Muslim.

[Kaurr]

36 minutes ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

I'm not looking for similarities between SIkhi and Hinduism, they seem to be screaming at me. Sikhs getting triggered due to pointing out these similarities is on them. The only ones being embarrassed are the ones who maintain their religion is completely independent of Hinduism and yet is primarily influenced by Hinduism with a bit of Christianity and Islam on top. If you can't explain why that is the case go ask one of your Sikh scholars if such a thing exists and get back to me.

You're acting like you're from RSS