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National child abuse inquiry refused to probe Rotherham and Rochdale sex-grooming scandals over fears of looking racist

  • Victim Sammy Woodhouse accused IICSA of burying gang-related sex abuse
  • 'They are trying to bury what happened in Rotherham and Rochdale' she said
  • 'Cowardly' reluctance was shown in its inquiry into mass offending in the towns

 

 

The national inquiry into child abuse was 'scared of being called racist' and refused to investigate some of Britain's most notorious sex-grooming scandals, it has been revealed.

Key witnesses were also barred from giving evidence, victims and experts in the inquiry have claimed, amid accusations of 'cowardly' reluctance to examine mass offending in Rotherham and Rochdale. 

In those towns, they say, was a pattern of group crimes in which men of Pakistani heritage were over represented, and the reluctance stemmed from not wanting to face accusations of being racist, The Times reported.

Sammy Woodhouse, a victim in Rotherham, claimed the heads of the inquiry 'have not placed survivors at the forefront' of their investigations, and are 'selective in what they decide to look at,' according to newspaper. 

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Sammy Woodhouse, a victim in Rotherham, claimed the heads of the inquiry 'have not placed survivors at the forefront' of their investigations, saying 'the inquiry was trying to bury what happened in places like Rotherham and Rochdale because they're scared of being called racist'

 

'If you are going to get to the root of gang-related child sexual exploitation you need to go right to the heart of it,' she added. 'They are trying to bury what happened in places like Rotherham and Rochdale because they're scared of being called racist.' 

Sarah Chapman, Rotherham's campaigning MP and Nazir Azfal, a former chief crown prosecutor who brought justice to the Rochdale sex-grooming gang, are among those appalled by the inquiry's failure to hear evidence. 

A former Greater Manchester police officer who exposed the alleged cover-up of sex-grooming crimes in the region accused the national inquiry of being 'too frightened to open the hornet's nest'.

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) began in 2015 and has so far cost £143 million. It is trying to establish why there was an 'institutional failure to protect children' from abuse.

In its investigation into exploitation of children by 'organised networks', the inquiry has looked at the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church, investigating many of the worst-known scandals involving such organisations.

The organised networks arm on the inquiry was also expected to examine the most infamous cases of group grooming and exploitation.

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The IICSA is trying to establish why there was an 'institutional failure to protect children' from abuse. Pictured: Professor Alexis Jay, chair of the ICSA and panel members Ivor Frank and Drusilla Sharpling, give evidence to the Commons Home Affairs Committee at Portcullis House, London

 

Big trials over the past ten years have exposed a previously hidden crime model involving the targeting and sexual abuse of teenage girls by groups of men, largely of south Asian origin.

Groups in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford, Leicester, High Wycombe, Dewsbury, Peterborough, Halifax, Newcastle upon Tyne, Telford and Burnley have been prosecuted since 2011 for sex-grooming.

From late September, the IICSA held two weeks of public hearings for its 'organised networks' investigation, with the final day for closing submissions set to take place on October 29.

However, it decided not to hear evidence from survivors or those with knowledge of the crime pattern, and instead chose to select six areas of England and Wales - St Helens, Tower Hamlets in east London, Swansea, Durham, Bristol and Warwickshire.

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Sarah Chapman (pictured) Rotherham's campaigning MP and Nazir Azfal, a former chief crown prosecutor who brought justice to the Rochdale sex-grooming gang, are among those appalled by the inquiry's failure to hear evidence

 

 

The reason given was that these areas 'represent a range of sizes, demographics and institutional practices', but none of the six areas has witnessed a major prosecution of a south Asian sex-grooming gang.

Furthermore, The Times reports that the 2011 national census found the proportion of the population that is of Pakistani origin is lower than the national average.

Henrietta Hill, QC, who is the lead council of the inquiry, told the hearing on it first day that after the inquiry 'carefully considered the extent to which, if at all, it should focus on areas such as Rochdale, Rotherham and Oxford', the IICSA decided it would be 'more appropriate' to focus on different areas.

The IICSA is investigating claims against local authorities, religious organisations, the Armed Forces, public and private institutions, and people in the public eye.

Following the death of BBC presenter Jimmy Savile in 2011, hundreds of people came forward to say he had abused them as children. 

It was established in 2015, following claims from a complainant known as 'Nick' of a murderous Westminster paedophile ring connected to Parliament. 

Nick, whose real name is Carl Beech, was later discredited and jailed for 18 years for what a judge called his 'cruel and callous' lies.

 

Huddersfield becomes latest in a series of British towns and cities rocked by Asian sex gang investigations 

Rotherham - The issue of child abuse in the town first came to light in 2010 when five Asian men were jailed for sexual offences against under-age girls.

A 2014 inquiry found there were more than 1,400 victims of grooming and sex exploitation in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013.

Rochdale - The trial of nine men for grooming young white girls for sex attracted widespread public outrage and sparked a national debate when they were convicted in 2012.

The gang received jail sentences of between four and 19 years for offences committed against five girls - aged between 13 and 15 - in and around Rochdale between 2008 and 2010.

The case returned to the public consciousness earlier this year when the BBC broadcast its Three Girls drama based on the experiences of some of the victims. 

Newcastle - A total of 17 men and one woman were convicted of, or admitted, charges including rape, supplying drugs and inciting prostitution, in Newcastle last year.

Older men preyed on immature teenagers who were plied with cocaine, cannabis, alcohol or mephedrone (M-Cat), then raped or persuaded into having sexual activity at parties known as 'sessions'.

The case raised huge controversy after a convicted rapist was paid almost £10,000 of taxpayers' money to spy on parties where under-age girls were intoxicated and sexually abused.

Northumbria Police launched a major investigation after receiving information from social workers and initially spoke to 108 potential victims. Over the course of four trials, 20 young women gave evidence covering a period from 2011 to 2014.

Oxford - A group of men who abused teenage girls in a vehicle they called the 's**gwagon' were jailed for a total of nearly 90 years in June this year.

The men - aged 36 to 48 - befriended vulnerable girls as young as 13 before plying them drink and drugs at 'parties' in Oxford.

The eight men - branded 'predatory and cynical' by a judge - were jailed for between seven and a half and fifteen years each.

Bristol - Some 13 Somali men were jailed for more than a total of more than 100 years after they were convicted in 2014 of running an inner city sex ring.

Victims as young as 13 were preyed upon, sexually abused and trafficked across Bristol to be passed around the men's friends for money.

Aylesbury - Six men were jailed in 2015 for grooming vulnerable under-age white girls between 2006 and 2012.

The Old Bailey heard victims would be plied with alcohol and forced to perform sex acts for as little as 'the price of a McDonalds'.

Peterborough - A total of 10 men were convicted of child sex crimes in the town, including 'predatory' restaurant boss Mohammed Khubaib.

He was jailed for 13 years at the Old Bailey in 2015, after he was found guilty of forcing a 14-year-old girl to perform a sex act on him and nine counts of trafficking for sexual exploitation, involving girls aged from 12 to 15, between 2010 and 2013.

Telford - Earlier this year, Telford became the latest town to become the focus of the now sadly familiar stories of abuse.

An investigation concluded that around 1,000 children could have been sexually exploited in the Shropshire town over a 40-year period, leading to calls for a public inquiry. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8874747/National-child-abuse-inquiry-refused-probe-sex-grooming-scandals-fears-looking-racist.html

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National child abuse inquiry refused to probe Rotherham and Rochdale sex-grooming scandals over fears of looking racist

  • Victim Sammy Woodhouse accused IICSA of burying gang-related sex abuse
  • 'They are trying to bury what happened in Rotherham and Rochdale' she said
  • 'Cowardly' reluctance was shown in its inquiry into mass offending in the towns

 

 

The national inquiry into child abuse was 'scared of being called racist' and refused to investigate some of Britain's most notorious sex-grooming scandals, it has been revealed.

Key witnesses were also barred from giving evidence, victims and experts in the inquiry have claimed, amid accusations of 'cowardly' reluctance to examine mass offending in Rotherham and Rochdale. 

In those towns, they say, was a pattern of group crimes in which men of Pakistani heritage were over represented, and the reluctance stemmed from not wanting to face accusations of being racist, The Times reported.

Sammy Woodhouse, a victim in Rotherham, claimed the heads of the inquiry 'have not placed survivors at the forefront' of their investigations, and are 'selective in what they decide to look at,' according to newspaper. 

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Sammy Woodhouse, a victim in Rotherham, claimed the heads of the inquiry 'have not placed survivors at the forefront' of their investigations, saying 'the inquiry was trying to bury what happened in places like Rotherham and Rochdale because they're scared of being called racist'

 

'If you are going to get to the root of gang-related child sexual exploitation you need to go right to the heart of it,' she added. 'They are trying to bury what happened in places like Rotherham and Rochdale because they're scared of being called racist.' 

Sarah Chapman, Rotherham's campaigning MP and Nazir Azfal, a former chief crown prosecutor who brought justice to the Rochdale sex-grooming gang, are among those appalled by the inquiry's failure to hear evidence. 

A former Greater Manchester police officer who exposed the alleged cover-up of sex-grooming crimes in the region accused the national inquiry of being 'too frightened to open the hornet's nest'.

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) began in 2015 and has so far cost £143 million. It is trying to establish why there was an 'institutional failure to protect children' from abuse.

In its investigation into exploitation of children by 'organised networks', the inquiry has looked at the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church, investigating many of the worst-known scandals involving such organisations.

The organised networks arm on the inquiry was also expected to examine the most infamous cases of group grooming and exploitation.

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The IICSA is trying to establish why there was an 'institutional failure to protect children' from abuse. Pictured: Professor Alexis Jay, chair of the ICSA and panel members Ivor Frank and Drusilla Sharpling, give evidence to the Commons Home Affairs Committee at Portcullis House, London

 

Big trials over the past ten years have exposed a previously hidden crime model involving the targeting and sexual abuse of teenage girls by groups of men, largely of south Asian origin.

Groups in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford, Leicester, High Wycombe, Dewsbury, Peterborough, Halifax, Newcastle upon Tyne, Telford and Burnley have been prosecuted since 2011 for sex-grooming.

From late September, the IICSA held two weeks of public hearings for its 'organised networks' investigation, with the final day for closing submissions set to take place on October 29.

However, it decided not to hear evidence from survivors or those with knowledge of the crime pattern, and instead chose to select six areas of England and Wales - St Helens, Tower Hamlets in east London, Swansea, Durham, Bristol and Warwickshire.

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Sarah Chapman (pictured) Rotherham's campaigning MP and Nazir Azfal, a former chief crown prosecutor who brought justice to the Rochdale sex-grooming gang, are among those appalled by the inquiry's failure to hear evidence

 

 

The reason given was that these areas 'represent a range of sizes, demographics and institutional practices', but none of the six areas has witnessed a major prosecution of a south Asian sex-grooming gang.

Furthermore, The Times reports that the 2011 national census found the proportion of the population that is of Pakistani origin is lower than the national average.

Henrietta Hill, QC, who is the lead council of the inquiry, told the hearing on it first day that after the inquiry 'carefully considered the extent to which, if at all, it should focus on areas such as Rochdale, Rotherham and Oxford', the IICSA decided it would be 'more appropriate' to focus on different areas.

The IICSA is investigating claims against local authorities, religious organisations, the Armed Forces, public and private institutions, and people in the public eye.

Following the death of BBC presenter Jimmy Savile in 2011, hundreds of people came forward to say he had abused them as children. 

It was established in 2015, following claims from a complainant known as 'Nick' of a murderous Westminster paedophile ring connected to Parliament. 

Nick, whose real name is Carl Beech, was later discredited and jailed for 18 years for what a judge called his 'cruel and callous' lies.

 

Huddersfield becomes latest in a series of British towns and cities rocked by Asian sex gang investigations 

Rotherham - The issue of child abuse in the town first came to light in 2010 when five Asian men were jailed for sexual offences against under-age girls.

A 2014 inquiry found there were more than 1,400 victims of grooming and sex exploitation in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013.

Rochdale - The trial of nine men for grooming young white girls for sex attracted widespread public outrage and sparked a national debate when they were convicted in 2012.

The gang received jail sentences of between four and 19 years for offences committed against five girls - aged between 13 and 15 - in and around Rochdale between 2008 and 2010.

The case returned to the public consciousness earlier this year when the BBC broadcast its Three Girls drama based on the experiences of some of the victims. 

Newcastle - A total of 17 men and one woman were convicted of, or admitted, charges including rape, supplying drugs and inciting prostitution, in Newcastle last year.

Older men preyed on immature teenagers who were plied with cocaine, cannabis, alcohol or mephedrone (M-Cat), then raped or persuaded into having sexual activity at parties known as 'sessions'.

The case raised huge controversy after a convicted rapist was paid almost £10,000 of taxpayers' money to spy on parties where under-age girls were intoxicated and sexually abused.

Northumbria Police launched a major investigation after receiving information from social workers and initially spoke to 108 potential victims. Over the course of four trials, 20 young women gave evidence covering a period from 2011 to 2014.

Oxford - A group of men who abused teenage girls in a vehicle they called the 's**gwagon' were jailed for a total of nearly 90 years in June this year.

The men - aged 36 to 48 - befriended vulnerable girls as young as 13 before plying them drink and drugs at 'parties' in Oxford.

The eight men - branded 'predatory and cynical' by a judge - were jailed for between seven and a half and fifteen years each.

Bristol - Some 13 Somali men were jailed for more than a total of more than 100 years after they were convicted in 2014 of running an inner city sex ring.

Victims as young as 13 were preyed upon, sexually abused and trafficked across Bristol to be passed around the men's friends for money.

Aylesbury - Six men were jailed in 2015 for grooming vulnerable under-age white girls between 2006 and 2012.

The Old Bailey heard victims would be plied with alcohol and forced to perform sex acts for as little as 'the price of a McDonalds'.

Peterborough - A total of 10 men were convicted of child sex crimes in the town, including 'predatory' restaurant boss Mohammed Khubaib.

He was jailed for 13 years at the Old Bailey in 2015, after he was found guilty of forcing a 14-year-old girl to perform a sex act on him and nine counts of trafficking for sexual exploitation, involving girls aged from 12 to 15, between 2010 and 2013.

Telford - Earlier this year, Telford became the latest town to become the focus of the now sadly familiar stories of abuse.

An investigation concluded that around 1,000 children could have been sexually exploited in the Shropshire town over a 40-year period, leading to calls for a public inquiry. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8874747/National-child-abuse-inquiry-refused-probe-sex-grooming-scandals-fears-looking-racist.html

Fears the clientele list and operational structure emerging more like. 

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4 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Fears the clientele list and operational structure emerging more like. 

100 percent truth right here. i watched a long interview a while back on  a former police detective in the UK who was investigating this crap in the 70s. those cases didnt involve ethnic men but whites and he was told to stop investigating immediatley. i think the reason they doing this now is cos the pakistanis r visible minority easier for english masses to scape goat well turning blind eye to the ones who profit most from this the ppl sitting at top 

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It's a significant yet unacknowledged problem that most powerful individuals (the highest tiers of power) are only allowed to occupy certain positions if they have certain vices that can be used as leverage against them so that they follow orders (or else) in this sham of a democratic society.

Anyone who can't be threatened or blackmailed into following the script will obviously form decisions based on morals and ethics that will hopefully work in favour of contributing to a better world. These types of people are purposefully barred from such influential positions because they can't be bought. But the opposite brand of people who are deliberately allowed to rise in the ranks, are some of the lowest lifeforms in existence (barring their well-heeled backgrounds and external appearances), and you will see a world that is degraded and heading for total darkness. 

From a dharmic perspective such a society will eventually destroy itself, because it doesn't work in favour of allowing mankind to flourish in all the ways a human requires to exist in a state of physical and spiritual equilibrium.

So, yes, the above couple of posts highlighting the true issue at play are definitely valid. But that doesn't excuse the opportunistic "lesser" parties that indulge in their own demonic plays. The only difference between the two is that the latter isn't afforded institutional protection for their crimes, because the long game is to cause an eventual outburst of seething rage and retribution decades in the making. These Muslim gangs are basically sentencing their own future generations to a grisly end, because I can guarantee you that eventually there will come a tipping point where a line will be drawn and action will be taken by the average man. A foreign band cannot prey on the daughters of the native inhabitants, and assume there will be no response. 

The problem is this: the target of this rage should be equally directed towards the policy-makers (traitors) and the puppet-masters. But the shadowy hand that pulls the strings will always keep the spotlight away from its own involvement in matters. If true, enlightened change is to come, the enemy of mankind must feel that wrath for the first time. If not, it's just cutting leaves while the roots continue untouched.

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2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's a significant yet unacknowledged problem that most powerful individuals (the highest tiers of power) are only allowed to occupy certain positions if they have certain vices that can be used as leverage against them so that they follow orders (or else) in this sham of a democratic society.

Are you sure about that? Maybe too much influence of movies ? 

I cannot believe that all the people in govt have some dodgy secrets etc

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16 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Are you sure about that? Maybe too much influence of movies ? 

I cannot believe that all the people in govt have some dodgy secrets etc

Not all. Some are enamoured with the status and power, so if they aren't personally complicit in these heinous acts, they are willing to turn a blind eye to the horrors around them. 

They don't get to the very top by being naive and ignorant. If it's not dark sexual secrets, it's bureaucratic corruption such as selling state secrets, inside dealing, money laundering, back-door financial deals, etc.

But the absolute zenith of the public front of power (Presidents, Prime Ministers, i.e. what the media likes to portray as the summit) are compromised. Don't think otherwise.

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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

 

But the absolute zenith of the public front of power (Presidents, Prime Ministers, i.e. what the media likes to portray as the summit) are compromised. Don't think otherwise.

Compromised by whom?

Do you include Modi and Putin ? The Turkish and Chinese president ? Gordon Brown?  

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19 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Compromised by whom?

Do you include Modi and Putin ? The Turkish and Chinese president ? Gordon Brown?  

I do know that anyone leading a Western nation (Traditionally Western European countries as well as significantly powerful ex-colonies, i.e. UK, U.S., Australia, Canada, NZ, France, Germany, etc)  is a proxy for the Kings of Finance. The balance is delicate. It's not a question of black and white, good or bad, left-wing or right-wing. Modi might be a bad guy according to his opponents in certain circles, but if he's pushing through certain things that are upsetting and disrupting the plans of one faction of the elites, then is he a so-called evil? Putin might be fighting fire with fire, but his "fire" is seized upon and brought to public attention whereas his opponents' "fire" that is equally as damaging and insidious yet it will never be revealed to the wider public. So who is truly the villain we're supposed to rally against? Again, this desire to pick a side is worthless when they're all compromised to certain degrees.

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4 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I do know that anyone leading a Western nation (Traditionally Western European countries as well as significantly powerful ex-colonies, i.e. UK, U.S., Australia, Canada, NZ, France, Germany, etc)  is a proxy for the Kings of Finance. The balance is delicate. It's not a question of black and white, good or bad, left-wing or right-wing. Modi might be a bad guy according to his opponents in certain circles, but if he's pushing through certain things that are upsetting and disrupting the plans of one faction of the elites, then is he a so-called evil? Putin might be fighting fire with fire, but his "fire" is seized upon and brought to public attention whereas his opponents' "fire" that is equally as damaging and insidious yet it will never be revealed to the wider public. So who is truly the villain we're supposed to rally against? Again, this desire to pick a side is worthless when they're all compromised to certain degrees.

I agree Veer Ji. When you look around the world there really isn't any great nation or faction to support. Just a battle of evils amongst themselves. 

Outside of select military service to keep up to date, I really think it speaks to Sikhs need to train and fight for Dharam Yudh only. Only a very few should enlist in the militaries of today and they should disseminate that training within the rest of the Sangat when they are done.  

Where is there even to go? The so called republic of macedonia? Some south American land bordering indigenous yet unconquered tribes? Everywhere you walk is Imperialized somehow. 

Japan would be a good fit culturally, and has a declining population, but is thoroughly occupied by the united states and a forward operating base for war in Asia. 

Really were all stuck covered in filth all over the globe, and whatever privilege we enjoy is usually because the country we live in is exploiting others. 

Only thing one can do is be self sustaining in food, water, and self defense with whatever Sangat that surrounds them. 

Most of us are too trapped by economy to do anything other than work, watch and have an opinion. At least if we Jaap Naam and read Gurbani we are doing good for ourselves while the <banned word filter activated> show unveils itself. 

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8 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I agree Veer Ji. When you look around the world there really isn't any great nation or faction to support. Just a battle of evils amongst themselves. 

Outside of select military service to keep up to date, I really think it speaks to Sikhs need to train and fight for Dharam Yudh only. Only a very few should enlist in the militaries of today and they should disseminate that training within the rest of the Sangat when they are done.  

Where is there even to go? The so called republic of macedonia? Some south American land bordering indigenous yet unconquered tribes? Everywhere you walk is Imperialized somehow. 

Japan would be a good fit culturally, and has a declining population, but is thoroughly occupied by the united states and a forward operating base for war in Asia. 

Really were all stuck covered in filth all over the globe, and whatever privilege we enjoy is usually because the country we live in is exploiting others. 

Only thing one can do is be self sustaining in food, water, and self defense with whatever Sangat that surrounds them. 

Most of us are too trapped by economy to do anything other than work, watch and have an opinion. At least if we Jaap Naam and read Gurbani we are doing good for ourselves while the <banned word filter activated> show unveils itself. 

I'm glad there's a couple of guys here on my wavelength. 👍

It's not being negative or pessimistic to acknowledge these issues, but it becomes quite demoralising when there doesn't seem to be any way out of it apart from total destruction of the whole darn thing. Why? Because there are some deeply damaging things that, once unleashed out onto the mass consciousness, cannot be reeled back in. I think it's when that point is reached that the climactic cycle of destruction begins in preparation for something fresh, untainted, and new. 

Unfortunately, there is no rehabilitation of certain evils and their representatives. To not banish them permanently is perpetuating that evil even further. But, as you said, we are trapped by committments and ties and all sorts of minor yet inescapable day-to-day things that keep people from focusing on what's important. I think "they" do this to befuddle those people who would otherwise provide a solution to these and other problems that plague the human race.

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19 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I'm glad there's a couple of guys here on my wavelength. 👍

It's not being negative or pessimistic to acknowledge these issues, but it becomes quite demoralising when there doesn't seem to be any way out of it apart from total destruction of the whole darn thing. Why? Because there are some deeply damaging things that, once unleashed out onto the mass consciousness, cannot be reeled back in. I think it's when that point is reached that the climactic cycle of destruction begins in preparation for something fresh, untainted, and new. 

Unfortunately, there is no rehabilitation of certain evils and their representatives. To not banish them permanently is perpetuating that evil even further. But, as you said, we are trapped by committments and ties and all sorts of minor yet inescapable day-to-day things that keep people from focusing on what's important. I think "they" do this to befuddle those people who would otherwise provide a solution to these and other problems that plague the human race.

Well at least we have them on a back foot somewhat.

Like you alluded to earlier: if they think they can just carry on in this way, it pretty much sets up an inevitable backlash in future.

It's unrealistic not to expect concerned people to adapt to reality in terms of protecting their families and communities (especially vulnerable members). Sadly, poor impulse control on part of some nutjobs and their inappropriate reactions, will be seized on to try and further derail rightful concerns.  

But this deeply rooted evil will be defeated. 

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On 10/25/2020 at 9:49 AM, MisterrSingh said:

I'm glad there's a couple of guys here on my wavelength. 👍

It's not being negative or pessimistic to acknowledge these issues, but it becomes quite demoralising when there doesn't seem to be any way out of it apart from total destruction of the whole darn thing. Why? Because there are some deeply damaging things that, once unleashed out onto the mass consciousness, cannot be reeled back in. I think it's when that point is reached that the climactic cycle of destruction begins in preparation for something fresh, untainted, and new. 

Unfortunately, there is no rehabilitation of certain evils and their representatives. To not banish them permanently is perpetuating that evil even further. But, as you said, we are trapped by committments and ties and all sorts of minor yet inescapable day-to-day things that keep people from focusing on what's important. I think "they" do this to befuddle those people who would otherwise provide a solution to these and other problems that plague the human race.

i belive a lot of what you beleive bro but tell me how do  you go about your day without raging knowing that there r so many ppl hypnotized by these scumbags and the game they r playing. and how do u go about spreading this info to others i have tried but it gets so complicated

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1 hour ago, justasking said:

i belive a lot of what you beleive bro but tell me how do  you go about your day without raging knowing that there r so many ppl hypnotized by these scumbags and the game they r playing. and how do u go about spreading this info to others i have tried but it gets so complicated

I feel a person is meant to learn and realise certain things at a specific time in their lives; no earlier nor later. I could sit next to someone for every single second of the day, trying to convince them of what's coming and what needs to be done, but unless they feel that compulsion to understand (which mostly comes as a realisation from within), they'll never listen to me, and will instead dismiss me as an annoyance. 

As the saying goes, you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Frustrating but what can you do aside from lose your dignity, and rant and rave, which I wouldn't advise.

I do what's in my direct control. Everything else I relinquish to God.

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Seven in court over child sexual offences in Redditch

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image captionCharges have been brought in connection with an investigation into the abuse of 10 girls

Seven men have appeared in court charged with sexual offences against children.

The case is connected to a police investigation into the abuse of 10 girls.

Offences are said to have been committed in Redditch between 2011 and 2017 against girls aged between 12 and 16 at the time.

The accused appeared during a series of hearings at Kidderminster Magistrates' Court on Tuesday.

All were conditionally bailed to appear at Worcester Crown Court on 1 December.

The accused are:

  • Abdul Hussain, 21, from Redditch. Charged with engaging in sexual activity in the presence of a child and sexual assault of a woman.
  • Usmaan Asghar, 21, from Redditch. Charged with sexual assault of a woman and two counts of engaging in sexual activity with a child.
  • Arslan Tazarab, 24, from Redditch. Charged with raping a girl under 16, two counts of arranging or facilitating the commission of a child sex offence, six counts of engaging in sexual activity with a child, and two counts of causing/inciting a girl under 16 to engage in sexual activity.
  • Ethashan Tazarab, 20, from Redditch. Charged with inciting a child to engage in sexual activity and engaging in sexual activity with a minor.
  • Usman Ali, 27, from Redditch. Charged with six counts of engaging in penetrative sexual activity with a girl aged 13 to 15.
  • Numan Mohammed, 22, of Swinfen, Staffordshire. Charged with two counts of rape involving girls, six offences of sexual activity with a child, four counts of inciting a child to sexual activity, two counts of sexual activity in the presence of a child, and sexual communication with a minor.
  • Richard Jonathan Weaver, 27, from Droitwich. Charged with raping a teenage girl.

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    • Has he said something that contradicts Sikhi? I don't know. I know of him and his general philosophy, which I assume is derived from the Vedic framework, but I can't say I've watched any of his videos meticulously enough to see if he's promoting an anti-Gurmat narrative. If he has said something that contradicts Sikhi, then I will retract my statement about his ideology not contradicting Sikhi.  Has he said anything that contradicts Sikhi? If so, that information must be presented. If you don't like him because he's not Sikh, then be open and state that as well. Don't give the impression that I'm wholeheartedly endorsing someone when I have no more than a surface understanding of his intentions. If you know details about his heresy, then they need to be highlighted here. When kathavachaks refer to terms and philosophies that obviously aren't directly tuks from Gurbani but are derived from Dharmic sources -- which most of them do because part of their training is to study Indian scriptures -- then I assume that's par for the course, isn't it? I was listening to katha by Giani Pinderpal Singh where he started by describing the different types of guru (lower case) / teacher described in the Hindu granths. That info was used as the underlying basis from which he launched into Sikh-specific vichaar about our Gurus. So, it stands to reason there's information that's cross referenced. These gianis aren't referring to Vedic concepts they've manufactured themselves, are they? They must come from some other non-Sikh source?
    • Can you provide Gurbani quotes to back this statement up.  
    • This video shows hes Spiritually inept.
    • I always found it strange how the kids who were 'pushed' hard to do well at school by parents and relatives from our community were the most 'mental' at uni once they escaped their parents and relatives . Personally I was never pushed , I studied as I liked it .so was quite boring at unis. But the gujjus, Punjabis and paks who would tell me stories of their upbringing were the ones who drank, did drugs , slept around etc... You should really look at the work of Dr Gabor mate ..and his work on childhood trauma and then you'll understand why our community is so messed up 
    • You may want to consider reflecting and seeing if your able to forgive yourself. Carrying guilt is really unhealthy. Obv doesnt mean we just go around doing anything, but often guilt can stop us progressing spirituality. Remember only the Guru is perfect, we are always making mistakes.  
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