Guru gobind singh adopted children

[dallysingh101]

Here's Ganda Singh's footnote from Gursobha. Translations mine (an old one):

 

On pg 33 it says:

 

ਅਸਲ ਵਿਚ ਜਿਸ ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਦਾ ਜ਼ਿਕਰ ਸੈਨਾਪਤਿ ਨੇ ਚਮਕੌਰ ਦੇ ਜੁਧ ਵਿਚ ਕਰਦੇ ਹੋਏ ਕਿਹਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਉਹ ਵੈਰੀ ਦੇ ਕਟਕ ਨੂੰ ਮਾਰਦਾ ਕੱਟਦਾ ਮੈਦਾਨ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਪਾਰ ਨਿਕਲ ਗਿਆ, ਉਹ ਸਾਹਿਬਜ਼ਾਦਾ ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀ। ਉਹ ਇਕ ਹੋਰ ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੋ ਬਸੀ ਪਠਾਣਾ ਦੇ ਭਾਈ ਨਥੂ (ਨਥੀਆ) ਤਰਖਾਣ ਦਾ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਸੀ। ਇਸ ਦੀ ਮਾਂ ਭਿੱਖੀ ਮਾਤਾ ਜੀਤੋ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਵਿਚ ਆਨੰਦਪੁਰ ਰਹਿੰਦੀ ਸੀ। ਉਸ ਨੇ ਊਸ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰ ਚਰਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਭੇਟ ਕੀਤਾ ਅਤੇ ਇਹ ਉਥੇ ਹੀ ਪਲਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਵੱਡਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਸੀ। ਇਹ ਸਾਹਿਬਜ਼ਾਦਾ ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਦਾ ਹਾਣੀ ਸੀ ਅਤੇ ਇਕ ਵਾਰੀ ਇਸ ਨੇ ਸਾਹਿਬਜ਼ਾਦਾ ਨੂੰ ਘੁਲਣ ਵਿਚ ਢਾ ਲਿਆ ਸੀ, ਜਿਸ ਪੁਰ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਫੁਰਮਾਇਆ ਸੀ ਇਹ ਭੀ ਮੇਰਾ ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਹੀ ਹੈ, ਅਤੇ ਇਹ ਦੂਜਾ ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਾਰ ਕਰਕੇ ਪਰਸਿੱਧ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ ਸੀ। ਇਹ ਹੀ ਕਾਰਣ ਭੁਲੇਕੇ ਦਾ ਹੈ।

 

 

In reality, the Zorawar Singh mentioned by Sainapati in his account of the Chamkaur battle as hacking and killing his way through the enemy cordon through to escape to the other side, was not the Sahibzada Zorawar Singh [i.e. Guru Gobind’s biological son]. He was another Zorawar Singh, who was the son of a carpenter named Bhai Nathu (Natheea) of Bassi Pathana. His mother used to reside in Anandpur in the service of the charitable Mata Jeeto [Guru ji’s mother?]. She offered him to the feet of the Guru and he was raised and grew up there [in Anandpur]. He was the same age as Sahibzada Zorowar Singh and once knocked him down in a wrestling match, upon which Guru ji declared that ‘He is also my Zorawar Singh’, and he became well known as the other Zorawar. This is the reason for the mistake.

 

This link has some video katha about Zorowar Singh Paalit:

https://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/14984-dasam-patshah-de-paalit-puttar/?tab=comments#comment-129981

[dallysingh101]

 

 

You can read a translation of the contemporary Persian account this adopted son of Guru ji's shaheedi whilst attempting to storm a fort in Habib and Grewal's Persian Sources of Sikh History.

[jkvlondon]

2 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

 

 

You can read a translation of the contemporary Persian account this adopted son of Guru ji's shaheedi whilst attempting to storm a fort in Habib and Grewal's Persian Sources of Sikh History.

so that makes it clear that he died elsewhere not at Chamkaur and it was the real Sahibzada Zohrawar Singh ji at Chamkaur and that perhaps Ganda Singh has made a mistake by creating a space for false narrative  to be inserted, these manuwadis are very clever to sow doubt

[dallysingh101]

7 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

so that makes it clear that he died elsewhere not at Chamkaur and it was the real Sahibzada Zohrawar Singh ji at Chamkaur and that perhaps Ganda Singh has made a mistake by creating a space for false narrative  to be inserted, these manuwadis are very clever to sow doubt

How did Ganda Singh make a mistake? He just clarified the issue. It may have been people who misunderstood Sainapati's text who've confused the issue. 

He's shaheedi was in Chitaur - not Chamkaur. 

As Guru and the Singhs kept moving South through different villages, the Jatha arrived at the town of Chitaur. This town had a very big and magnificent fort, which was built by the Rajpoots but was now occupied by some Mughal soldiers.

 

You can read the contemporary account of his shaheedi in text 7 here:

https://www.vidhia.com/Historical%2C Political%2C Philosophical and Informational/Sikh_History_From_Persian_Sources_-_JS_Grewal_Irfan_Habib.pdf

 

On 12/12/2020 at 9:10 PM, MisterrSingh said:

I read the whole thing over there. I'm referring to the account itself. How has this just been discovered now?

It hasn't just been discovered now. People have known about it for a long time. If anything, there may have been some casteist conspiracy to occlude this figure from Sikh history. 

[puzzled]

Didn't Guru Gobind Singh ji call Bhai Jaitha/Jiwan Singh his 5th son as well?  I think there probably many people like this, it doesn't mean they were actually adopted ?    Its not unheard of in India for a family member to raise another family members kid. 

About the Singh that was adopted in Delhi, I read that after the 4 sahibzaade had become shaheed , Mata Sundri then decided to adopt a son. 

When Guru ji was a boy in Bihar he started calling a local queen mother as well, she was childless and he sat on her lap and said that he is her son now. 

Things like this happened a lot  in Sikh Ithiaas and in Indian culture in general.

[S1ngh]

We all are his sons and daughters. Ain't we all ? 

[dallysingh101]

 

[S1ngh]

Uhdoke is nothing but a scam artist. Only a good speaker... 
These ppl play with our history..

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, S1ngh said:

Uhdoke is nothing but a scam artist. Only a good speaker... 
These ppl play with our history..

This history seems true. It's not a new discovery, and this Zorowar Singh palit has a history and legacy in Bassi Pathaan that people there still acknowledge. 

Info has been out about Zorowar Singh Palit since the late 60s at least, when Ganda Singh put out Sri Gursobha. That people here haven't heard of him here says more about their own piss poor study of history than anything else. 

Plus this figure being from a tarkhan background would have motivated the usual jut casteists to jealously try and bury his memory, so that probably played a big part in his occlusion and hence so much ignorance about him.

I'm not too familiar with Uhdoke, what makes you say the above about him?    

[dallysingh101]

Here's a translation of a contemporary Persian account of Zorowar Singh palit's shaheedi (from Grewal & Habib, Persian sources of Sikh history):