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19 hours ago, Arsh1469 said:

Guru ji adopted 4 childern.

https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Zoravar_Singh_Palit#p-personal

Anyone have more information or know any Sikh historical granth that does?

Most Sikhiwiki articles would mention a source for their articles. This article does not show any source!

Also, I’ve been lucky enough to listen to 10th Patshai''s history, from numerous sources. I have never heard this account from anyone. I have never read any of this in any books either.

The fact that the article doesn’t quote a source, makes me question the authenticity of this article.

The only adopted son by Mata Sundar Kaur Ji, is of Ajit Singh. Alit Singh resembled Sahibzada Ajit Singh. When Mata Sundar Kaur Ji came to know of all four Sahibzade's Shahadat. She wanted to adopt this Ajit Singh to remind her of Sahibzada Ajit Singh.

Despite Guru Ji's advise against the adoption, Mata Ji still went ahead. And took him to Delhi, while Guru Ji left for Nanded.

This account can be found in Sri Gurprtap Suraj Granth. Written by Choodamani Kavi Santokh Singh.

By the way, Choodamani means...the most precious jewel in the Crown...

 

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I have doubts of these other four as they would have been metioned in bhaiJaitha ji's writings too and other hazoori Singhs writings

The Ajit Singh adopted by Mata Sundar ji ended up being the antithesis of a son of Guru ji and not worthy of that moniker

siki wiki is run by 3ho types and therefore sikhs should take everything posted as possibly tainted and find out via our own research as they also have links back to RSS (sharing same swamis/pandits as Indira and RSS/modi)

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On 12/12/2020 at 7:29 PM, jkvlondon said:

I have doubts of these other four as they would have been metioned in bhaiJaitha ji's writings too and other hazoori Singhs writings

The Ajit Singh adopted by Mata Sundar ji ended up being the antithesis of a son of Guru ji and not worthy of that moniker

siki wiki is run by 3ho types and therefore sikhs should take everything posted as possibly tainted and find out via our own research as they also have links back to RSS (sharing same swamis/pandits as Indira and RSS/modi)

You realise the chalakhi they're trying to perpetuate, don't you? It's SO transparent! They think so little of Sikhs.

Basically, if this is accepted, in the future they'll claim THESE youngsters were the ones who gave Shaheedi because Guru Ji "protected" his biological sons from dying on the battlefield. It's an attempt to defame Guru Ji, his overall sacrifice, and the bravery of the Sahibzade.

They're playing on the narrative about that Singh who resembled Guru Ji, who'd occasionally venture out to confuse the enemy. With this they've taken it to the next level. 

It's also quite telling they've chosen to focus on the Ramgharia background of this new "son". My theory is anyone who objects to it will be labelled as a pro-caste supporter. Classic shaming tactic. 

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I have in the past read about Guru ji letting Mata Sundri adopt a boy from Delhi, but he didn't turn out to be good and after Guru ji left the earth the adopted son declared himself Guru. 

So many of the Guru relatives used to declare themselves the Guru and many of the sangat used to believe them. Not that different to the fake Gurus of today. Guru Arjan Dev Jis brother declared himself Guru and later tried poisoning Guru Hargobind Sahib ji.

Every single story from our ithiaas is as relevant today as it was back then. 

 

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On 12/12/2020 at 6:50 PM, MokhamSingh said:

Most Sikhiwiki articles would mention a source for their articles. This article does not show any source!

Also, I’ve been lucky enough to listen to 10th Patshai''s history, from numerous sources. I have never heard this account from anyone. I have never read any of this in any books either.

The fact that the article doesn’t quote a source, makes me question the authenticity of this article.

The only adopted son by Mata Sundar Kaur Ji, is of Ajit Singh. Alit Singh resembled Sahibzada Ajit Singh. When Mata Sundar Kaur Ji came to know of all four Sahibzade's Shahadat. She wanted to adopt this Ajit Singh to remind her of Sahibzada Ajit Singh.

Despite Guru Ji's advise against the adoption, Mata Ji still went ahead. And took him to Delhi, while Guru Ji left for Nanded.

This account can be found in Sri Gurprtap Suraj Granth. Written by Choodamani Kavi Santokh Singh.

By the way, Choodamani means...the most precious jewel in the Crown...

 

Ganda Singh mentions this adopted son of Guru ji in his footnotes of Sainapati's Gursobha. The adopted Zorowar Singh sometimes has been confused with Sahibzadha Zorowar Singh. The adopted son was one of the few that actually managed to fight his way out of the cordon placed around Chamkaur. 

There is a Persian eye witness account  of his death too. 

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Here's Ganda Singh's footnote from Gursobha. Translations mine (an old one):

 

On pg 33 it says:

 

ਅਸਲ ਵਿਚ ਜਿਸ ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਦਾ ਜ਼ਿਕਰ ਸੈਨਾਪਤਿ ਨੇ ਚਮਕੌਰ ਦੇ ਜੁਧ ਵਿਚ ਕਰਦੇ ਹੋਏ ਕਿਹਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਉਹ ਵੈਰੀ ਦੇ ਕਟਕ ਨੂੰ ਮਾਰਦਾ ਕੱਟਦਾ ਮੈਦਾਨ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਪਾਰ ਨਿਕਲ ਗਿਆ, ਉਹ ਸਾਹਿਬਜ਼ਾਦਾ ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀ ਉਹ ਇਕ ਹੋਰ ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੋ ਬਸੀ ਪਠਾਣਾ ਦੇ ਭਾਈ ਨਥੂ (ਨਥੀਆ) ਤਰਖਾਣ ਦਾ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਸੀ ਇਸ ਦੀ ਮਾਂ ਭਿੱਖੀ ਮਾਤਾ ਜੀਤੋ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਵਿਚ ਆਨੰਦਪੁਰ ਰਹਿੰਦੀ ਸੀ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਊਸ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰ ਚਰਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਭੇਟ ਕੀਤਾ ਅਤੇ ਇਹ ਉਥੇ ਹੀ ਪਲਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਵੱਡਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਸੀ ਇਹ ਸਾਹਿਬਜ਼ਾਦਾ ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਦਾ ਹਾਣੀ ਸੀ ਅਤੇ ਇਕ ਵਾਰੀ ਇਸ ਨੇ ਸਾਹਿਬਜ਼ਾਦਾ ਨੂੰ ਘੁਲਣ ਵਿਚ ਢਾ ਲਿਆ ਸੀ, ਜਿਸ ਪੁਰ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਫੁਰਮਾਇਆ ਸੀ ਇਹ ਭੀ ਮੇਰਾ ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਹੀ ਹੈ, ਅਤੇ ਇਹ ਦੂਜਾ ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਾਰ ਕਰਕੇ ਪਰਸਿੱਧ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ ਸੀ ਇਹ ਹੀ ਕਾਰਣ ਭੁਲੇਕੇ ਦਾ ਹੈ

 

 

In reality, the Zorawar Singh mentioned by Sainapati in his account of the Chamkaur battle as hacking and killing his way through the enemy cordon through to escape to the other side, was not the Sahibzada Zorawar Singh [i.e. Guru Gobind’s biological son]. He was another Zorawar Singh, who was the son of a carpenter named Bhai Nathu (Natheea) of Bassi Pathana. His mother used to reside in Anandpur in the service of the charitable Mata Jeeto [Guru ji’s mother?]. She offered him to the feet of the Guru and he was raised and grew up there [in Anandpur]. He was the same age as Sahibzada Zorowar Singh and once knocked him down in a wrestling match, upon which Guru ji declared that ‘He is also my Zorawar Singh’, and he became well known as the other Zorawar. This is the reason for the mistake.

 

This link has some video katha about Zorowar Singh Paalit:

https://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/14984-dasam-patshah-de-paalit-puttar/?tab=comments#comment-129981

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2 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

 

 

You can read a translation of the contemporary Persian account this adopted son of Guru ji's shaheedi whilst attempting to storm a fort in Habib and Grewal's Persian Sources of Sikh History.

so that makes it clear that he died elsewhere not at Chamkaur and it was the real Sahibzada Zohrawar Singh ji at Chamkaur and that perhaps Ganda Singh has made a mistake by creating a space for false narrative  to be inserted, these manuwadis are very clever to sow doubt

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7 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

so that makes it clear that he died elsewhere not at Chamkaur and it was the real Sahibzada Zohrawar Singh ji at Chamkaur and that perhaps Ganda Singh has made a mistake by creating a space for false narrative  to be inserted, these manuwadis are very clever to sow doubt

How did Ganda Singh make a mistake? He just clarified the issue. It may have been people who misunderstood Sainapati's text who've confused the issue. 

He's shaheedi was in Chitaur - not Chamkaur. 

As Guru and the Singhs kept moving South through different villages, the Jatha arrived at the town of Chitaur. This town had a very big and magnificent fort, which was built by the Rajpoots but was now occupied by some Mughal soldiers.

 

You can read the contemporary account of his shaheedi in text 7 here:

https://www.vidhia.com/Historical%2C Political%2C Philosophical and Informational/Sikh_History_From_Persian_Sources_-_JS_Grewal_Irfan_Habib.pdf

 

On 12/12/2020 at 9:10 PM, MisterrSingh said:

I read the whole thing over there. I'm referring to the account itself. How has this just been discovered now?

It hasn't just been discovered now. People have known about it for a long time. If anything, there may have been some casteist conspiracy to occlude this figure from Sikh history. 

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Didn't Guru Gobind Singh ji call Bhai Jaitha/Jiwan Singh his 5th son as well?  I think there probably many people like this, it doesn't mean they were actually adopted ?    Its not unheard of in India for a family member to raise another family members kid. 

About the Singh that was adopted in Delhi, I read that after the 4 sahibzaade had become shaheed , Mata Sundri then decided to adopt a son. 

When Guru ji was a boy in Bihar he started calling a local queen mother as well, she was childless and he sat on her lap and said that he is her son now. 

Things like this happened a lot  in Sikh Ithiaas and in Indian culture in general.

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