Discussion on Shaster Vidya

[ipledgeblue 315]

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

he is not the only teacher and his attitude of money money first is wrong attitude for an ustaad teaching such skills much like jujitsu/karate/escrima teachers the quality of the internal changes the whole transfer of knowledge and the final product. If the ustaad is full of ahankar he cannot show the student how to be a neutral minded warrior, which is vital for sikh warriors

where and who are these teachers?

Shastar vidiya is completely different from karate, from the footwork, stance, punching etc...

a neutral sikh warrior, what is that? a sikh warrior should read dasam bani

 

Surely most other gatka ustads show hunkaar as they have no lineage and nothing to measure their skills against?

37 minutes ago, Koi said:

Do you know of any other teachers of Shastar Vidiya? If so, would you kindly share here ji?

And which "money first" attitude are you referring to? Since the Akhara has become more established, and the services provided by the Akhara (Gurdev ji travelling worldwide, publishing of books, interviews/seminars etc.), there will of course be a monetary element involved to sustain such ventures. And there is nothing wrong with this. Are you taking in to account the students he teaches for free because they can't afford lessons? Or more to the point, do you even know about this? I think not. I myself back in the day would train with students who trained for free.

On to your final point. Full of hankaar. Based on what? Every individual has their own temperament. And I for one do not have a "universal metre stick" which I use to measure everyone's avgun and judge whether or not they can teach the Vidiya. Have all your teachers been brahmgyanis? The mother is the first teacher of the children. You have children. Should one then assert that you are unworthy of teaching your children because you are "full of hankaar" (hypothetically speaking of course)?

Please, let us not split hairs with this. Time and time again over the years I hear the same thing with regards to Gurdev Nidar Singh Ji. Your grievances with him have nothing to do with the Vidiya, but with his ideology (which is not entirely different if you go through it properly). And again, it goes back to the same point. Gatka is an exhibitionist art, nothing more. Shastar Vidiya is the real deal.

Just found this thread, they ended the thread because nobody could come up with an answer. I assume the sikhsangat admins now are more mature than the silly admins back then who would just close topics which didn't fit their mindset!

 

 

[dharamyudh 312]

8 hours ago, Koi said:

Do you know of any other teachers of Shastar Vidiya? If so, would you kindly share here ji?

And which "money first" attitude are you referring to? Since the Akhara has become more established, and the services provided by the Akhara (Gurdev ji travelling worldwide, publishing of books, interviews/seminars etc.), there will of course be a monetary element involved to sustain such ventures. And there is nothing wrong with this. Are you taking in to account the students he teaches for free because they can't afford lessons? Or more to the point, do you even know about this? I think not. I myself back in the day would train with students who trained for free.

On to your final point. Full of hankaar. Based on what? Every individual has their own temperament. And I for one do not have a "universal metre stick" which I use to measure everyone's avgun and judge whether or not they can teach the Vidiya. Have all your teachers been brahmgyanis? The mother is the first teacher of the children. You have children. Should one then assert that you are unworthy of teaching your children because you are "full of hankaar" (hypothetically speaking of course)?

Please, let us not split hairs with this. Time and time again over the years I hear the same thing with regards to Gurdev Nidar Singh Ji. Your grievances with him have nothing to do with the Vidiya, but with his ideology (which is not entirely different if you go through it properly). And again, it goes back to the same point. Gatka is an exhibitionist art, nothing more. Shastar Vidiya is the real deal.

Respectfully, I just wanted to ask who gave Nidar his vidya on the art. From what I heard, he back to Punjab and came across his ustaad randomly. Any idea who his master was? Was he a part of the Dals?

[GurjantGnostic 1,026]

1 hour ago, dharamyudh said:

Respectfully, I just wanted to ask who gave Nidar his vidya on the art. From what I heard, he back to Punjab and came across his ustaad randomly. Any idea who his master was? Was he a part of the Dals?

I heard he trained with all major Dals and that's how he recompiled it. Three or more different pieces. I'm no expert though. 

[Koi 552]

On 1/22/2021 at 8:16 PM, dharamyudh said:

Respectfully, I just wanted to ask who gave Nidar his vidya on the art. From what I heard, he back to Punjab and came across his ustaad randomly. Any idea who his master was? Was he a part of the Dals?

 

On 1/22/2021 at 9:18 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

I heard he trained with all major Dals and that's how he recompiled it. Three or more different pieces. I'm no expert though. 

Gurdev Nidar Singh learnt from Baba Mohinder Singh nihang, who learnt from the well known Baba Gian Singh Nihang (Rabb Ji). Yes, he did come across him randomly, something which he says in his interviews.

He has not recompiled the art. In fact, he spent a long time finding other practioners. And whilst there were a few nihangs who heard of the art, there aren't any masters.

During partition, Giana Rabb Ji taught some basic moves to the Singhs so they could protect themselves. Now there are some gatka akharas who claim lineage from Baba Gian Singh ji based on this. They do not have the full Vidiya (or any real battlefield Vidiya to be quite frank).

I did gatka for a year before I came to Shastar Vidiya. And the thing I loved and still admire about gatka akharas is the sangat. It's good if you have no other sangat. If it inspires you to be closer to your Sikhi, that is great. But understand it's not the real deal. Never has been, never will be. I know people who practice gatka, and never discourage them, because I do not want the paap of breaking their sangat on my head

Do we have any gatka practioners on this forum? Would love to hear from you regarding this.

[ipledgeblue 315]

This grandmaster fights similar to some of the sword fighting in shastar vidiya. what is this martial art? a gatkabaji wouldn't stand any chance against this kind of knife work!

Maybe we should compile some youtube videos to help with shastar vidiya?

 

[jkvlondon 5,605]

On 1/23/2021 at 11:54 AM, ipledgeblue said:

This grandmaster fights similar to some of the sword fighting in shastar vidiya. what is this martial art? a gatkabaji wouldn't stand any chance against this kind of knife work!

Maybe we should compile some youtube videos to help with shastar vidiya?

 

looks like escrima philipino knife art which I mentioned before apparentely he has filmed tutorial style  available here:

https://www.aperture.university/store/FyXFXwWP

[ipledgeblue 315]

3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

looks like escrima philipino knife art which I mentioned before apparentely he has filmed tutorial style  available here:

https://www.aperture.university/store/FyXFXwWP

oh yeh I actually remembered Tuhon Pat O'Malley, he used to hold seminars with Nidar Singh and Master Mau

[jkvlondon 5,605]

22 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

oh yeh I actually remembered Tuhon Pat O'Malley, he used to hold seminars with Nidar Singh and Master Mau

so maybe as someone had commented on one of his demonstration videos he has taken kali/escrima moves and made a hybrid art which he is saying is the real deal

[PuzzledToo 97]

On 1/23/2021 at 5:37 AM, Koi said:

I did gatka for a year before I came to Shastar Vidiya. And the thing I loved and still admire about gatka akharas is the sangat. It's good if you have no other sangat. If it inspires you to be closer to your Sikhi, that is great. But understand it's not the real deal. Never has been, never will be. I know people who practice gatka, and never discourage them, because I do not want the paap of breaking their sangat on my head

Why is it not the real deal? Whats the difference between Gatka and Shastar Vidya?

[intrigued 326]

2 hours ago, PuzzledToo said:

Why is it not the real deal? Whats the difference between Gatka and Shastar Vidya?

Modern day Gatka is more of an exhibitionist sport now, it is a lot more "showy". In the practical aspect, Shastar Vidya is used in hand to hand combat and incorporates a lot of ground fighting, which Gatka doesn't do as much.

[Koi 552]

7 hours ago, PuzzledToo said:

Why is it not the real deal? Whats the difference between Gatka and Shastar Vidya?

Please read previous posts. Gatka is an exhibitionist art only. No practical application. 

[Arsh1469 437]

Just want to say I thought it was in the rules to not talk about Nidar.

[Koi 552]

6 hours ago, Arsh1469 said:

Just want to say I thought it was in the rules to not talk about Nidar.

Why? We should never be afraid to discuss different things. Just because a scared pigeon closes it's eyes, doesn’t mean the cat's disappeared...

[ipledgeblue 315]

17 hours ago, Arsh1469 said:

Just want to say I thought it was in the rules to not talk about Nidar.

if sikhs continue talking about gatka, then he is going to be brought up as well.

 

if gatka teachers can fix up, then, only then, will we not need to mention the name!!

[Koi 552]

10 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

if sikhs continue talking about gatka, then he is going to be brought up as well.

 

if gatka teachers can fix up, then, only then, will we not need to mention the name!!

Problem isn't with gatka teachers, problem is with gatka itself.