Discussion on Shaster Vidya

[GurjantGnostic]

5 hours ago, Koi said:

Problem isn't with gatka teachers, problem is with gatka itself. 

It could be run through a remartialization process. It would take a martial artist who knows what they're doing and a lot of video for them to watch, or better yet a decent Gatka practicioner to work it out with. 

I'm not sure that's better than ...non controversial Sikhs mastering Shastar Vidya enough to promote that within the Khalsa instead though. 

In the same way somebody who understands Gursikhi can fine tune or fix or advise other Dharams, you can fix a martial art by running it through what we call Riai. 

[Koi]

5 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

It could be run through a remartialization process. It would take a martial artist who knows what they're doing and a lot of video for them to watch, or better yet a decent Gatka practicioner to work it out with. 

I'm not sure that's better than ...non controversial Sikhs mastering Shastar Vidya enough to promote that within the Khalsa instead though. 

In the same way somebody who understands Gursikhi can fine tune or fix or advise other Dharams, you can fix a martial art by running it through what we call Riai. 

Fine tuning is one thing brother. But what you're talking about is reinventing the wheel. It's the equivalent of using a caravan to build a skyscraper. Other than twirling a stick around and cutting up sabji, what does gatka really have to offer? There is no battle strategy, no history, no depth, absolutely nothing.

I apologise if it seems like I'm berating gatka in a very cruel way, especially to those kids on this forum who are practising it. As I said before, if gatka is your only source of sangat, please continue going. But for those people on this forum who are a little older or have martial arts experience, let's stop kidding ourselves here...

[GurjantGnostic]

1 hour ago, Koi said:

Fine tuning is one thing brother. But what you're talking about is reinventing the wheel. It's the equivalent of using a caravan to build a skyscraper. Other than twirling a stick around and cutting up sabji, what does gatka really have to offer? There is no battle strategy, no history, no depth, absolutely nothing.

I apologise if it seems like I'm berating gatka in a very cruel way, especially to those kids on this forum who are practising it. As I said before, if gatka is your only source of sangat, please continue going. But for those people on this forum who are a little older or have martial arts experience, let's stop kidding ourselves here...

I hear you bro. 

Martial arts in general suffer a lack of strategy and weapons. Really has my wheels turning. 

[ipledgeblue]

On 1/27/2021 at 8:39 PM, Koi said:

Problem isn't with gatka teachers, problem is with gatka itself. 

yes, the problem is they are not willing to learn!

[Koi]

And as I said before, I'm more than happy to entertain a conversation from the sangat who is pro gatka. If you feel I'm missing the trick here, please do share...

[intrigued]

Would it be possible for Gatka and Shastar Vidhya to be combined together and to make it a unified Sikh martial art across the board? Gatka as stated before is more showy and can be used for conditioning. Shastar Vidhya can be used in hand to hand combat and ground fighting all the way up to confrontations involving Shastars.

[GurjantGnostic]

4 minutes ago, intrigued said:

Would it be possible for Gatka and Shastar Vidhya to be combined together and to make it a unified Sikh martial art across the board? Gatka as stated before is more showy and can be used for conditioning. Shastar Vidhya can be used in hand to hand combat and ground fighting all the way up to confrontations involving Shastars.

This should be done. It requires fully versed practicioners of Shastar Vidya though. 

 

[Koi]

15 hours ago, intrigued said:

Would it be possible for Gatka and Shastar Vidhya to be combined together and to make it a unified Sikh martial art across the board? Gatka as stated before is more showy and can be used for conditioning. Shastar Vidhya can be used in hand to hand combat and ground fighting all the way up to confrontations involving Shastars.

Not really. Firstly (again) one is exhibitionist, the other is a proper traditional lethal fighting art.

The other thing is that you'll pick up a lot of bad habits from gatka. You'll literally have to unlearn all those bad habits first.

[MugermachSingh]

Gurfateh Ji.

The mool pentra is a training application to build strength and agility in the lower limbs and coordination. Ideally this is learnt at a very young age but can be taught later in life as well. The Khat-Ang Yudhans are then taught to improved the understanding of 'Kal' - loosly translated to time space and circumstance, and then physical structure of the body. The primary goal is to be out of the strikes power range, but if this is not possible for whatever reason then minimising the strikes impact is the secondary goal. After the Khat-ang the dev-ang are used to understand and manipulate energy to improve ones technique. 

Similar to learning raag, learn the raag itself, memorise the avroi and aroih, the chalan etc, then once you have that understanding, you then need to practice, once you are able to play it efficiently and effortless, this is where the mastering of an art begins and can last a lifetime. The principles of the raag is universal but the raagi's are not similar at all, all of them have their own character, be it loved or hated. Same with Shastar vidiya, the principles of the vidiya are universal, but the teachers as their skills can vary as well as their characters.

To this day, I train on a regular basis, as with music, you wont forget it if you stop playing but it will takes sometime to get back into it after a long break, better to train a little everyday rather then not train at all. After all we are supposed to be Tyar Par Tyar.

Gurfateh Ji.

Mugermach Singh Nihang.

[dharamyudh]

 

This podcast was recently released with an interview with Nidar Singh himself. Really great information about shastar vidya.