Discussion on Shaster Vidya

[dharamyudh]

5 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Attributed to Shiva. Seems only some parts were maintained by some people. I think it would take the Nihung Jathas retraining together to get the system ironed out again and complete. 

You never know what's being maintained Gupt though. 

Oh and while not popular Niddar Singh Nihang knows quite a bit. 

Yeah I could see that. It just seems like the Dals prioritize gatka over shastar vidya. Off that topic though, I just wanted to remark how people in India seem to fight. I've seen this in person and in videos, but it seems like people in India don't know how to throw a punch to save their life! Which is sad considering the rich history of shastar vidya in the past. It's just pure slaps for the most part. We need to pump some more martial arts to our brothers and sisters in India.  

[GurjantGnostic]

Gurbani has instructions for everyone to make what they were born into or love effective and reconnect it with Sat Dharam. They don't have to convert. They can fine tune what they do to be Guru Jis version. Or they can fully adopt the Gursikh life. 

 

If you give militarized buddhists Naam they are almost 100 back to Sikh. 

 

That's basically what Nippon Budo is. Militarized Shinto Buddhism.  And when you add Naam to it you get Aikido....except...

O' Sensei was no Guru no master. He passed on O' Kami's Aikido. He said he was entry level at it. In order to open it up to all people of the world he removed the mix of Omoto kyo, Zazen, Shinto, Kotodama and Chinkon Kishin and other spritualities from it. Telling the practitioner you must put your Chinkon Kishi here for this to work. It belongs to O' Kami. 

I can tell you first hand there is nothing more compatible than Timeless Takemusu Aiki and Gursikhi. Aikido by definition sits beneath the Guru. Beneath Naam. It is known that it comes from Naam. 

Finding a Dojo that teaches it completely? Not easy. 

O Sensei said he looked behind him and almost nobody followed. 

If anyone wants to do Aikido I can help you pick a Dojo or perhaps even suggest you not train at a Dojo and pick something else near you. 

[GurjantGnostic]

10 minutes ago, dharamyudh said:

Yeah I could see that. It just seems like the Dals prioritize gatka over shastar vidya. Off that topic though, I just wanted to remark how people in India seem to fight. I've seen this in person and in videos, but it seems like people in India don't know how to throw a punch to save their life! Which is sad considering the rich history of shastar vidya in the past. It's just pure slaps for the most part. We need to pump some more martial arts to our brothers and sisters in India.  

Real fights look rediculous almost everywhere. Even people who "train" and compete don't know how to flow the adrenaline stress response and just lock up and get stabbed bro. Or flail at each other and latch on and both fall over which is why people think bjj is a good idea because people can't even stand up right these days. 

[GurjantGnostic]

I'm not a Shastar Vidya expert. I suggest you do that if you can find the real thing. 

I can say Niddar Singh Nihang has something sincere to offer. 

I added throat biting to my repetoire for example watching him. 

If Sangat know of other well founded Shastar Vidya and Gutka teachers please share. 

[Koi]

I've seen that, as time goes on, people are seeing gatka for what it really is, an exhibitionist art, nothing more. This is in no way shape or form the vidiya used by the Khalsa.

Shastar Vidiya is our traditional Sikh/Khalsa/Kshatriya/Hindustani/Bharati battlefield art. Currently, only Nidar Singh Nihang teaches this, though there are a few old babas left who could attest to Nidar Singh ji's vidiya.

[GurjantGnostic]

16 minutes ago, Koi said:

I've seen that, as time goes on, people are seeing gatka for what it really is, an exhibitionist art, nothing more. This is in no way shape or form the vidiya used by the Khalsa.

Shastar Vidiya is our traditional Sikh/Khalsa/Kshatriya/Hindustani/Bharati battlefield art. Currently, only Nidar Singh Nihang teaches this, though there are a few old babas left who could attest to Nidar Singh ji's vidiya.

There's a catch 22 in martial arts. 

If you have the real thing. You can't just go show anyone and everyone...because it's lethal and sacred or special. So you stay gupt and your art dies. And many schools didn't want to tip their hand by showing anybody how they move. 

If you do demonstrations you have to...sterilize your demo to only show so much.  If you try and attract followers with showmanship it becomes more about that and maybe you keep practitioners but then they're not doing the art exactly and your art dies. 

There's a balance that's hard to keep. 

I'm still open to the idea of Ghatka practitioners having something profound to offer but yes it's showy. But we might not be seeing the whole thing or talking to the right people about it. 

 

[intrigued]

30 minutes ago, Koi said:

Currently, only Nidar Singh Nihang teaches this

Be careful with this man; he will try and impose his view on you

There have been rumors that he is/was with RSS - http://www.shastervidiya.org/nidar-finally-confirms-his-rss-links/

https://www.sikh24.com/2016/11/10/buddhal-dal-jathedar-honors-rss-preacher-who-claims-sikh-gurus-are-followers-of-hindu-gods/#.YAIYx-jYqM8 (kinda related)

[Guest]

This post seems to be going towards an interesting direction. I have a few questions which always kept me curious. 

1) In Ramayan / Mahabartha, if you grew up watching those in your childhood. You see many yodhas (warrior) who can bring down rain, thunder and other kinds of karamaati weapons with their teers, is this possible? is this ridhis sides?

2) In Gatka, if you watch closely you can see the sword being swung at lightning speed. It almost looks like Bruce Lee's martial art. It just looks impossible how you could defeat a gatka fighter with the sword coming at you such dramatic speeds. 

 

[GurjantGnostic]

47 minutes ago, intrigued said:

Be careful with this man; he will try and impose his view on you

There have been rumors that he is/was with RSS - http://www.shastervidiya.org/nidar-finally-confirms-his-rss-links/

https://www.sikh24.com/2016/11/10/buddhal-dal-jathedar-honors-rss-preacher-who-claims-sikh-gurus-are-followers-of-hindu-gods/#.YAIYx-jYqM8 (kinda related)

Whelp. Kinda hoped more names would come up than just his. 

[dharamyudh]

Anything related to Shastar Vidya is related with Nidar Singh. However, I just found this OLD video of Nidar Singh (on the right in the beginning) fighting Uptej Singh. The quality is horrible though: