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Derby Sikh temple knifeman admits to stabbing and burglary charges

Mohammed Ibrar's offence was described as a 'hate crime'

 
 
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Scene of an alleged stabbing in Normanton Road
 

A 32-year-old Derby man has admitted to breaking into a Normanton temple before stabbing a man in a shop in what police later confirmed was a hate crime.

Mohammed Ibrar pleaded guilty to assault occasioning grievous bodily harm with intent, possessing a knife and burglary when he appeared over videolink from HMP Nottingham for the 15-minute hearing at Derby Crown Court.

But he denied the more serious charge of attempted murder saying through a Hindi interprepeter “I did not want to kill him, I was not in a good mental state”.

Prosecutor Jonathan Cox said those pleas were acceptable, telling the court both a prosecution and defence psychiatrists had assessed Ibrar since he was remanded following the incident in May 2020.

Adjourning the sentence, Judge Jonathan Bennett said: “Mr Ibrar you have pleaded guilty to three of these offences and the prosecution are not going to proceed with the most serious charge of attempted murder.

“I am going to sentence you when I have heard both from the prosecution and your own barrister.

 

“On that date I will allow an hour-and-a-half and in the meantime you will be remanded into custody.

“Do you understand that?”

Ibrar, through the interpreter, replied: “Yes I do.”

Ibrar broke into the Guru Arjan Dev Sikh Gurdwara in Stanhope Street on the morning of Monday, May 25.

Another call came in minutes later to say that a man had been stabbed inside the Polanica shop, in nearby Normanton Road.

On arrival, officers found a 41-year-old man with injuries. The man was taken to the Queen’s Medical Centre for treatment and was later discharged.

In a statement released the following day, Chief Superintendent David Cox said: “I know this is a very upsetting incident not only because this is a place of worship but the alleged actions of the individual involved have a wider impact across the community.

“I am taking this incident very seriously and I have a team of detectives who are working through the full circumstances of what has taken place.

“As this investigation progresses I hope we will gain a clearer understanding of what happened.

“This was a challenging incident to respond to with multiple scenes and multiple calls for service within minutes. I would like to thank those members of the community who assisted the police yesterday.

“This is being treated as a hate crime.”

In the days following the incident, the Sikh and Muslim communities in Derby issued a statement of solidarity.

A post put up on the Derby Jamia Mosque Facebook page said both faiths “condemned the senseless acts without reservation”.

It read: “On Monday, May 25, 2020, Guru Arjan Dev Ji Gurdwara was attacked by an individual who caused extensive damage to the windows and doors.

“We, the undersigned representatives of the main Muslim and Sikh communities, condemn this senseless act without reservation.

“Desecration of places of worship is unacceptable and can never be justified nor condoned. The Muslim and Sikh communities have been living together in Derby in peace and harmony for many years.

“These types of senseless acts will not separate us. The actions of individuals do not represent our communities. “

The statement was signed by the Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji Gurdwara; Derby Jamia Mosque; Sri Guru Singh Sabha Gurdwara; Islamic Centre; Al-Farooq Masjid; Guru Ravidass Gurdwara; Pakistan Community Centre; Ramgharia Sabha Gurdwara and the Indian Community Centre.

 

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/derby-sikh-temple-knifeman-admits-4935332

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20 minutes ago, superkaur said:

This shows clear ignorance, racism and sikhphobia not just within the muslim community but also white british dominated institutions who do not understand this was a clear act of terrorism against a religious minority who have nothing to do what the indian government does in Kashmir. In fact majority of Sikhs support the rights of all the oppressed and victimised peoples in kashmir and other places.

The uk residing muslim attacker (from pakistan) was armed with a knife, he had political motives as he had written a note indicating he attacked and damaged the gurdwara because of what Modi's hindu nationalist govt's acquiring of kashmir within the indian union and what the indian army was doing in kashmir. The attacker also ended up stabbing some random white polish guy in a shop not too far from the derby gurdwara. So clearly he was out to cause serious harm and injury and luckily that day the gurdwara was closed cos of covid lockdown and there was no sangat there. Usually at that time of the day it would be open with mostly eldery worshippers coming in. It is clear he would have caused serious offences had it been a non-lockdown day.

At the time I remember British Sikhs were urging the derby police to investigate this as not a burglary incident but as a terrorism offence as all necessary indications of a political violence leanings was there but because of lazyness and lack of forceful lobbying by Sikh organizations along with institutional racism they put the crime investigation down as a minor burglary offence.

British Sikhs organizations and Sikh leaders/influential figures need to start bucking up their idea's if they don't want to be treated as and seen as a joke.

Amen to everything you said about the british. 

In terms of Kashmir. 

Guru Tegh Bahadur Dev Ji. Shaheedi. 

Babba Deep Singh saves a multitude of women, some Kashmiri?

I know I'm ignorant enough to be leaving things out. 

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These guys are very clever and know how to use and abuse the system. He used the "mental instability" tactic to get off lightly. 

Is there an appeal to the decision or have the parties involved accepted the decision? 

 

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10 minutes ago, DSG said:

These guys are very clever and know how to use and abuse the system. He used the "mental instability" tactic to get off lightly. 

Is there an appeal to the decision or have the parties involved accepted the decision? 

 

What if it had been other way around- would this have been bigger news?

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It's unfortunate that Sikhs are portrayed as India's military "face" but we also seem to delight in this role that's been carved out for us by the Indians. This probably has some vague bearing on these types of issues in part. Perceptions on the part of external communities about our loyalties.

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16 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's unfortunate that Sikhs are portrayed as India's military "face" but we also seem to delight in this role that's been carved out for us by the Indians. This probably has some vague bearing on these types of issues in part. Perceptions on the part of external communities about our loyalties.

No different to how many anglos see us, and something hordes of apnay play up to.  

 

15 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

We're seen as cannon fodder. As soon as we demand some rights we're labelled terrorists and separatists.

See above.  

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20 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's unfortunate that Sikhs are portrayed as India's military "face" but we also seem to delight in this role that's been carved out for us by the Indians. This probably has some vague bearing on these types of issues in part. Perceptions on the part of external communities about our loyalties.

sometimes I feel its all mind games. I have seen comment section on sikh related articles of some of these English newspapers like the daily mail . I notice how the commenters usually say nice thing about sikhs which gets lot of likes , indicating others think likewise. Some even say Sikhs did a lot for us in WW1 and WW2 . 

And I am like "WWTF did your gorey buggggers did for us ? you left us in a travesty" 

Its all mind games, a cliched image being created and our dimwit people (sorry) keep falling for it . 

I would say one more thing  : Don't go overt now in your anti-british hate lol. Like the vandalizing with "Sepoys no more" that happened few years back on a sikh monument. RATHER , milk the pro-sikh sentiments among english people to your benefit . And exploit such that they don't know they're being manipulated . Keep giving freebies like road langars, but ALWAYS make sure you get 10x or atleast 5x the returns on it 😄

syaane bano , become cunning and deceiving . If noble principles helped us, we wouldn't be in this situation 

 

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at the end of the day our enemies gonna paint us in bad light anyways, so why not earn the stigma by actually doing it 

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20 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

And I am like "WWTF did your gorey buggggers did for us ? you left us in a travesty" 

And this is EXACTLY what certain dimwitted 'slow to learn' apnay need to tell them, instead of grinning like fudhus at insidious 'flattery'. 

 

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I would say one more thing  : Don't go overt now in your anti-british hate lol. Like the vandalizing with "Sepoys no more" that happened few years back on a sikh monument.

Nah, that sepoy statue thing was spot on. Not only as a message to wasps but also the dimwitted amongst us who struggle to shake off their mental slavery and go all misty eyed over being colonial slave attack dogs.  And I know a few of you regulars here fall into this category. 


 

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RATHER , milk the pro-sikh sentiments among english people to your benefit

And exploit such that they don't know they're being manipulated . Keep giving freebies like road langars, but ALWAYS make sure you get 10x or atleast 5x the returns on it 

 

So you recognise we have hordes of dimwitted amongst us and you think they would be capable of pulling off the above?  I've grown up with both parties being discussed and one side probably aren't intelligent enough (by far!) for that, a different more confrontational approach might be more suited to us. Langars will always continue with Guru ji's grace and are a different matter. 

We are dealing with the most duplicitous, insidious people ever here, YOU need to listen to the people who've grown up amongst them and know their nature in detail instead of theorising. These people have a LONG history of thwarting and manipulating Sikh-juts, that continues to this day in england. You can't outsnake a snake with low cognitive abilities. They know these people inside out - appealing to their caste pride, giving them handouts and 'loaded opportunities' to use them to control the wider panth and compromise them.  

We as one people need to send a clear message to their whole society (top to bottom) that that shyte is over, and we know what they have been and are doing - just to start with. That way at least they'll get the message that they aren't dealing with a complete bunch of docile retards. And I know that just the idea of this will petrify the cowardly amongst us - but they shouldn't count.   

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On 01/02/2021 at 4:53 PM, AjeetSingh2019 said:

sometimes I feel its all mind games. I have seen comment section on sikh related articles of some of these English newspapers like the daily mail . I notice how the commenters usually say nice thing about sikhs which gets lot of likes , indicating others think likewise. Some even say Sikhs did a lot for us in WW1 and WW2 . 

And I am like "WWTF did your gorey buggggers did for us ? you left us in a travesty" 

Its all mind games, a cliched image being created and our dimwit people (sorry) keep falling for it . 

I would say one more thing  : Don't go overt now in your anti-british hate lol. Like the vandalizing with "Sepoys no more" that happened few years back on a sikh monument. RATHER , milk the pro-sikh sentiments among english people to your benefit . And exploit such that they don't know they're being manipulated . Keep giving freebies like road langars, but ALWAYS make sure you get 10x or atleast 5x the returns on it 😄

syaane bano , become cunning and deceiving . If noble principles helped us, we wouldn't be in this situation 

 

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at the end of the day our enemies gonna paint us in bad light anyways, so why not earn the stigma by actually doing it 

The difference is that they came to Punjab as conquerors and we came here as beggars.

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On 2/2/2021 at 1:43 PM, dallysingh101 said:

And this is EXACTLY what certain dimwitted 'slow to learn' apnay need to tell them, instead of grinning like fudhus at insidious 'flattery'. 

 

Nah, that sepoy statue thing was spot on. Not only as a message to wasps but also the dimwitted amongst us who struggle to shake off their mental slavery and go all misty eyed over being colonial slave attack dogs.  And I know a few of you regulars here fall into this category. 

 

We are dealing with the most duplicitous, insidious people ever here, YOU need to listen to the people who've grown up amongst them and know their nature in detail instead of theorising. These people have a LONG history of thwarting and manipulating Sikh-juts, that continues to this day in england. You can't outsnake a snake with low cognitive abilities. They know these people inside out - appealing to their caste pride, giving them handouts and 'loaded opportunities' to use them to control the wider panth and compromise them.  t.   

I don't think so, no British posh type who has talked to me about Sikhs has ever mentioned their awareness of castes and jatts & tharkhaans etc, that would likely be just a small minority.

I doubt most  know Sikh demographics in that much detail. 

But definitely Sikhs are liked generally by those who know who we are. 

I went to see a football match at a team once (at a team who have a fan reputation for being racist) and someone told my white friend 'Sikhs are alright' (implication being certain other religious minorities are not)

But the high up army types to whom the government/MOD would be close, probably cannot be trusted

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