Sant Ji's views on "monay"

[TigerForce1]

33 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

I am not sure what to think of Deep Sidhu. Some people are saying he has ties to the RSS and has bad intentions, some people are saying he has good intentions, and lots of people are saying everything in between.

Okay, I won't push anyone away. I don't have the power to push anyone away anyway, since I have no influence. As the angry mona guy with the kharkus in his profile pic said, I am a "nobody."

 

Was Sant Ji pushing people away by suggesting that if monay have a problem keeping their beards, they should do ardas to become women?

 

Perhaps Sant Ji made the miscalculation of trying to appeal to a sense of shame that he assumed we had inside of us. Sadly, the Sikh community has little sharam left. Cutting kesh used to be viewed as a shameful, traitorous, cowardly act. Now it is normal. No shame in dressing up as pretend singhs for anand karajs. No shame in putting on sloppy parnas to pretend to be singhs whenver it is convenient. No shame in choosing to look like Hindus.

I understand and share your frustration and I’m don’t think it is always wrong to shame someone to wake them up.  ‘I also agee with everything that Sant Ji has said’

The present situation is that Punjab and its youth have been in slumber for the best part of 3 decades now and finally people are waking to the States plans to eliminate their culture, religion and livelihoods.  Those people are asking questions and re-evaluating their positions within the state. No doubt Sikhi is going to answer many of their questions and many will become Kesadhari as direct result to recent events.

The backdrop is very similar to the 80’s, Sant Ji was seeing a generation that was in slumber and needed waking up.  Sant had the personality to insult them at the same time embrace them as their children.  He was like a father looking after his children and him scolding his children to do the right thing can never be questioned.

Fast forward to present times.  We have the same backdrop and we have the same hunger to take on the State but we do not have a Leader on the level of Sant Ji.  We have some personalities that are coming forward and no doubt many have been planted and many will doubted.  If we shoot down all the potential Leaders such as Deep Sidhu and Lakha Sidhana, then we are in danger of deterring any future Leadership that could prove to be the only voice that looks after Sikh interests .  Only time will tell but we need to give people a chance and we need to stay united.

Lastly I’d like to add Sant Ji also said ‘that our people should not engage in a bharaa Marroo Jangh’.  Let’s not fight between ourselves.  

[MisterrSingh]

 

37 minutes ago, TigerForce1 said:

Fast forward to present times.  We have the same backdrop and we have the same hunger to take on the State but we do not have a Leader on the level of Sant Ji.  We have some personalities that are coming forward and no doubt many have been planted and many will doubted.  If we shoot down all the potential Leaders such as Deep Sidhu and Lakha Sidhana, then we are in danger of deterring any future Leadership that could prove to be the only voice that looks after Sikh interests.

I hope there's a plan this time that doesn't involve Pakistan. 

[puzzled]

I think people are talking about 2 different things, mona and farmers protest. OP posted about monay, not farmers protest.

As someone who was mona myself a few years back, and still am surrounded by mainly monas, do you guys know what most monay really think and say about the appearance of Singhs? In their own circles? 

I myself in my mona days have said some very insulting things about Singhs appearances, like most monas do, and I'm very ashamed of it, I hope guru ji has forgiven me. 

And don't forget that in schools it's not just pakis and Whites that laugh at boys with guttis! mona kids can be just as bad, where do they learn it from? 

Don't let a few moneh involved in the farmers protest delude you! 

Mona people have done a lot of damage to Sikhi. 

This for example, which was posted on this site, is quite a common joke in mona circles. They joke about food being stuck, I've heard it myself. 

 

 

[MisterrSingh]

21 minutes ago, puzzled said:

I think people are talking about 2 different things, mona and farmers protest. OP posted about monay, not farmers protest.

As someone who was mona myself a few years back, and still am surrounded by mainly monas, do you guys know what most monay really think and say about the appearance of Singhs? In their own circles? 

I myself in my mona days have said some very insulting things about Singhs appearances, like most monas do, and I'm very ashamed of it, I hope guru ji has forgiven me. 

And don't forget that in schools it's not just pakis and Whites that laugh at boys with guttis! mona kids can be just as bad, where do they learn it from? 

Don't let a few moneh involved in the farmers protest delude you! 

Mona people have done a lot of damage to Sikhi. 

This for example, which was posted on this site, is quite a common joke in mona circles. They joke about food being stuck, I've heard it myself. 

Do you reckon there's a difference between NRI moneh and Punjab resident moneh in terms of attitudes to Singhs? I would think the Punjab resident moneh are more in touch with the underlying Punjabi culture and tend to see commonalities between themselves and Singhs, whereas NRI moneh tend to want to create distance between themselves and NRI Singhs especially if the former have a non-Sikh social circle. But then there's pendu NRI moneh who take the pi55 out of Singhs, which I guess comes from attitudes they've picked up from their male elders.

[TigerForce1]

31 minutes ago, puzzled said:

As someone who was mona myself a few years back, and still am surrounded by mainly monas, do you guys know what most monay really think and say about the appearance of Singhs? In their own circles? 

Being a ‘Mona’ is not a ethnicity neither is it genetic, on the contrary having unshorn hair is part of our DNA.  We can’t lump a group based upon their hairstyles together and tar them with the same brush.  To be honest if your a ‘fudhoo’ you will think and behave like one whether you have unshorn or shorn hair.  Those same people that laugh at beards are the same people who helped beard care product start-ups become multi-millionaires when long beards became the must have fashion style.  
Wake up and look at the real world around you, not just the virtual one.  People are becoming aligned with Sikhi whether it’s subconsciously or consciously.  People around the world are becoming vegetarians and vegans, youngsters are moving away from alcohol/drugs, women are embracing natural beauty, women are becoming empowered, men are shunning the clean shaven look, people are concerned about their environment and people are becoming spiritual.  Sounds familiar doesn’t it? 

And meanwhile we are still pushing and passing the same arguments!

[TigerForce1]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

 

I hope there's a plan this time that doesn't involve Pakistan. 

The destination is the most important and to be honest if they want to assist then so be it.  To be honest I don’t think there in any position to do anything as they are broke and fighting for their own survival.  No difference in human rights violations and corruption than all other South Asian so called democracies.  If anything the region needs a new ‘Nation’ that could be a shining beacon to shame other countries to lift their game.  We could easily fill that void and maybe that what the plan is!

[puzzled]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Do you reckon there's a difference between NRI moneh and Punjab resident moneh in terms of attitudes to Singhs? I would think the Punjab resident moneh are more in touch with the underlying Punjabi culture and tend to see commonalities between themselves and Singhs, whereas NRI moneh tend to want to create distance between themselves and NRI Singhs especially if the former have a non-Sikh social circle. But then there's pendu NRI moneh who take the pi55 out of Singhs, which I guess comes from attitudes they've picked up from their male elders.

Western born moneh take the p155 more than the ones in India. In India there still is a little respect for the appearance of a Singh. I guess it's because in India there still is some sort of reverence for something linked to religion, despite them not being very religious these days. 

Its important to understand that Sikhi for most monas is a culture, while for most Singhs it's a faith, a gift from Guru ji.

Now culture is ever changing, adapting and criticised, while religion is unchanged and the divine truth.

Because of these two different views, we now have moneh, in full force trying to change and bend Sikhi so it suits their lifestyle and social views. We now have bikini wearing Sikh bibis on social media preaching Sikhi, monas holding beer preaching Sikhi (profile pics), LGBTQ being pushed into Sikhi,  "Haircuts don't make you a less of a Sikh" view being pushed. 

Because culture can be changed and criticised, we now have mona Sikhs question the relevance of following something that was written in a "book" 500 years ago. 

It's all happening before our eyes. 

We have passed the time where a Singh could criticise these people and correct them. These people are as much Sikhs as a Singh is, so who are you to question their views ? 

You see, these people don't just exist on social media. People born into the comfort of Amritdhari families are oblivious to how all this bakwaas is being pushed into Sikhi. 

One only needs to see that what was socially unacceptable 10 years ago, is completely socially acceptable today. Who made it socially acceptable? Singhs or monas? 

Who made Sikhi bibis, including Sikh brides getting drunk with their brothers at Sikh wedding reception parties acceptable? Singhs on monas ? 

When you're born into the comfort of a Amritdhari family, and surrounded by mostly Singhs, you can't see the damage, but when you're born into a mona family you see the damage taking place, and the extent of the damage right before your eyes. 

We only need to see what these people are pushing for on social media, ideas they are sharing, to see what will become acceptable in our community in the future.

One mistake Singhs did make was let monas call themselves Sikhs. This has allowed them to push their views into Sikhi. 

Being a mona is now a acceptable norm in our community, in fact boys who have guttis are asked if they are gnna continue keeping guttis. 

On top of all of this, these same people take the p1ss out real Sikhs, joke about their appearances, 5 kakkars, maryada. 

I'm not tarnishing all moneh with the same brush, I'm tarnishing majority of them. 

[MisterrSingh]

19 minutes ago, TigerForce1 said:

The destination is the most important and to be honest if they want to assist then so be it.  To be honest I don’t think there in any position to do anything as they are broke and fighting for their own survival.  No difference in human rights violations and corruption than all other South Asian so called democracies.  If anything the region needs a new ‘Nation’ that could be a shining beacon to shame other countries to lift their game.  We could easily fill that void and maybe that what the plan is!

If I was in charge my first priority would be not to view civilian Sikhs as collateral to be expended in a struggle with the state. I couldn't live with the blood of Sikh families on my hands because I failed to make a sensible plan. The frontline guys, while physically brave, need to understand not everyone in our community has that Khalsa fighting spirit and desire to see things through. In an ideal world we all should be latent warriors ready to heed the call and kick a55 when required, but reality suggests that's not the case. One of the reasons some apne turned against the lehar of the 80s was when they directly lost loved ones at the hands of the Indian mobs and police goons. Rather than blame the state for their illegal actions, apne turned against Singhs and blamed them for kicking things off. There's still many Sikhs around today who were turned off from the religious aspect of Sikhi due to losing family members in the purges, or at least that's how they justify it. We can't afford to lose support of our own in this way. It weakens us. 

[MisterrSingh]

12 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Western born moneh take the p155 more than the ones in India. In India there still is a little respect for the appearance of a Singh. I guess it's because in India there still is some sort of reverence for something linked to religion, despite them bot being very religious these days. 

Its important to understand that Sikhi for most monas is a culture, while for most Singhs it's a faith, a gift from Guru ji.

Now culture is ever changing, adapting and criticised, while religion is unchanged and the divine truth.

Because of these two different views, we now have moneh, in full force trying to change and bend Sikhi so it suits their lifestyle and social views. We now have bikini wearing Sikh bibis on social media preaching Sikhi, monas holding beer preaching Sikhi, LGBTQ being pushed into Sikhi,  "Haircuts don't make you a less of a Sikh" view being pushed. 

Because culture can be changed and criticised, we now have mona Sikhs question the relevance of following something that was written in a "book" 500 years ago. 

It's all happening before our eyes. 

We have passed the time where a Singh could criticise these people and correct them. These people are as much Sikhs as a Singh is, so who are you to question their views ? 

You see, these people don't just exist on social media. People born into the comfort of Amritdhari families are oblivious to how all this bakwaas is being pushed into Sikhi. 

One only needs to see that what was socially unacceptable 10 years ago, is completely socially acceptable today. Who made it socially acceptable? Singhs or monas? 

Who made Sikhi bibis, including Sikh brides getting drunk with their brothers at Sikh wedding reception parties acceptable? Singhs on monas ? 

When you're born into the comfort of a Amritdhari family, and surrounded by mostly Singhs, you can't see the damage, but when you're born into a mona family you see the damage taking place, and the extent of the damage right before your eyes. 

We only need to see what these people are pushing for on social media, ideas they are sharing, to see what will become acceptable in our community in the future.

One mistake Singhs did make was let monas call themselves Sikhs. This has allowed them to push their views into Sikhi. 

Being a mona is now a acceptable norm in our community, in fact boys who have guttis are asked if they are gnna continue keeping guttis. 

On top of all of this, these same people take the p1ss out real Sikhs, joke about their appearances, 5 kakkars, maryada. 

I'm not tarnishing all moneh with the same brush, I'm tarnishing majority of them. 

Fair play. The moneh I know are stricter and more reserved in their conduct than some of the Amritdharis I know of who lounge around in swimwear in Dubai and the Mediterranean, completely enslaved by maya and materialism.

When I was a kid this confused me because I assumed moneh had very little idea of restraint and respect because they eschewed the Sikh principles of rehat, but when I started to get older and began to see things with more detail I realised it wasn't as simple as that.

The moneh were always kind and supportive when I hit a rough patch while the religious Sikhs pretended as if I no longer existed. That kind of stuff is hard to forget especially when you think the total opposite.

I guess it's a case of environment.

[TigerForce1]

12 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

If I was in charge my first priority would be not to view civilian Sikhs as collateral to be expended in a struggle with the state. I couldn't live with the blood of Sikh families on my hands because I failed to make a sensible plan. The frontline guys, while physically brave, need to understand not everyone in our community has that Khalsa fighting spirit and desire to see things through. In an ideal world we all should be latent warriors ready to heed the call and kick a55 when required, but reality suggests that's not the case. One of the reasons some apne turned against the lehar of the 80s was when they directly lost loved ones at the hands of the Indian mobs and police goons. Rather than blame the state for their illegal actions, apne turned against Singhs and blamed them for kicking things off. There's still many Sikhs around today who were turned off from the religious aspect of Sikhi due to losing family members in the purges, or at least that's how they justify it. We can't afford to lose support of our own in this way. It weakens us. 

The true reality of what happened in the ‘Eighties’ has only surfaced in the last decade and that’s once perpetrators have started to blow the whistle.  There was a very small element of Kharku’s that joined the Khalistan Movement to create a separate state.  Most were pushed into the movement because of personal loss and first hand treatment by the security forces.  The truth is civilian Singhs were being hunted and joined the movement to fight against the state murder squads.  Khalistan movement was born from the state sponsored genocide.  The Kharkus had full support from villagers in the early stages but the security forces targeted ordinary villagers via torture, extortion ,rape and murder and soon the support turned to resentment for the Kharkus.  All of this documented interviews and biographies from the state machinery that was involved.  Times are somewhat different now as communication channels are much better in the world and diaspora Sikhs are in a much stronger position than the eighties.  Nobody wants a violent separation and it doesn’t need to be either but for this to happen we have stay disciplined and stay united.  We have proved to the wider world what a powerful  asset Sikhs are to the world community and all we need to do now is make sure our voices are heard in the right places.