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I think the greatest danger that we face is our own people's lack of unity, and the key culprit for that mess, is simply caste. Nail this, and we'll be united and strong. 

Fail to do this, and I think the consequences are obvious. 

I think all the people who sweep this under the rug should be ashamed of themselves and are guilty of putting us in danger more than any outsider.  

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5 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think the greatest danger that we face is our own people's lack of unity, and the key culprit for that mess, is simply caste. Nail this, and we'll be united and strong. 

Fail to do this, and I think the consequences are obvious. 

I think all the people who sweep this under the rug should be ashamed of themselves and are guilty of putting us in danger more than any outsider.  

Caste consciousness needs reservations to go which is being used to create divisions and foster dissent and civil war. 

And who is responsible for creating a new district that automatically gives a Muslim majority? And more importantly what is the end game- West Bengal? 

That along with aggressive Christian conversions is clear that the aim is not a peaceful Punjab. 

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19 hours ago, Suchi said:

Caste consciousness needs reservations to go which is being used to create divisions and foster dissent and civil war. 

I don't agree. A particular caste seems hell bent on 'reserving' every last resource and opportunity for themselves. They wont willingly share and appear to believe they have some 'divine right' to all privileges because of their caste, to the exclusion of others, who they have a long history of having antipathy for.

Given this pervasive attitude and culture - there seems little choice other than reservations. It's like expecting white supremacists to give blacks a chance in the USA. Ain't happening.  Never will. That's why you have to have things like reservations sadly.

These people need to straighten themselves out and quickly too. Or it's on their heads. Like these people haven't been 'fostering divisions' with their own long-standing behaviour. 

Sadly, change is urgently required in Panjab. If people aren't willingly going to act in a more civilised, egalitarian and progressive way - conflict is probably inevitable.   

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On 5/25/2021 at 2:44 PM, ChardikalaUK said:

Laziness from Punjabis has resulted in hiring people people from UP and Bihar to do labour jobs. Those same Punjabis then go abroad to become labourers.

Let's get specific. Which 'Punjabis' are these usually?

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3 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Let's get specific. Which 'Punjabis' are these usually?

Rural Sikhs. I have seen it in my own family there.

We Sikhs are just obsessed with going abroad. My Grandfather has 11 grandchildren, 8 of them live in the west. The other 3 would love to leave as well. This is having a big impact on Sikh demographics in Punjab.

Hindus in Punjab don't migrate anywhere near as much, most of them have businesses and have no reason to leave. 

And now you have Muslim and Hindu migration from UP and Bihar. We will lose our majority status very soon.

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31 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Rural Sikhs. I have seen it in my own family there.

We Sikhs are just obsessed with going abroad. My Grandfather has 11 grandchildren, 8 of them live in the west. The other 3 would love to leave as well. This is having a big impact on Sikh demographics in Punjab.

Hindus in Punjab don't migrate anywhere near as much, most of them have businesses and have no reason to leave. 

And now you have Muslim and Hindu migration from UP and Bihar. We will lose our majority status very soon.

Let's be honest, the vast majority that I've met who immigrate here to become 'builders' are juts. And to be frank, the great reputation tarkhans made in this industry in the UK is slowly being eroded by lots of these who have no love for the trades and just see it as a quick way to make big bucks (cutting corners). Now whilst this is not true of all juts who've gone into construction, more and more are coming in and cowboying away, doing ruddhi quality work, ripping customers, and each other off. It's a disgrace and it looks like another thing these people are going to ruin. I've seen a fair few jobs where people (nonSikhs) have hired such people and the work has been so substandard that they've been put off hiring another apna. 

I think Malwa will be okay, don't know about Majha but those lot need to sort out the corrupt mess on their doorstep with the SGPC/Akali Dal in Amritsar. Doaba is looking like a lost cause. It's like the concept of dharam is alien to most of them, and they've made the fantasist vichaars of people like Moosewala and caste identity into their gospel.    

How the hell are we going to blame anyone else, when these things are largely self-inflicted. And a lot of the 'labourers' obviously don't come from poor families because they can afford the large fees the benauti colleges charge for them to stay here. 

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We sikhs are a lost case.. we have reached a point of no return.. Punjabis are drowned till their nose in self boasting and apne muh apni sifata.. I am from j&k sikh community and this expansion of mslms in punjab is unbelievable.. with immense great sacrifices we cleansed punjab as a retaliation from them... There are more mosques/dargah in just 5 km radius of Harmandir sahib than total gurdwaras in entire pak punjab.. and now giving malerkotla a district status..

So much of demographic change has happened in west bengal.. something same will happen in punjab.. our natural partners should have been BJP and RSs but now with farmers protest we are on a totally different track.. try to separate the liberal-left propaganda against RSs and modi with the farm laws.. we should only care about farm laws and see it from an economic point of view.. 

 

I personally think we need to make an alliance with hindu right wing and at the same time be able to maintain our distinctness... All this demonising hinduism in the name of "vakhri koum" and showing ourself closer to abrahamics is pure non sense.. stop over glorifying kartarpur... Akaal takht jathedar gave a fancy speech in Pakistan during its inauguration but did not mention anything about the safety of sikh girls there.. for god sake even the daughter of jathedar is not safe.. you punjabi will never understand what my relatives go through in Kashmir.. most sikh have bought properties in jammu which is hindu majority.. sikh nri are totally disconnected with reality..

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5 hours ago, TigerForce1 said:

I think you do exactly what you despise the most.  You clearly have a inferiority complex, which triggers a defence mechanism inside you, which goes on the offensive to bring down a certain caste or community.  This kind anger is not healthy and neither does this create unity. 

I think you're talking rubbish, and you do exactly what you're outlining above. All my criticisms are valid - but because of a history of compromising to colonialism a certain rural sub community has been shielded from criticism (as a reward) for their selling out, and have been pandered to and patronised, but now things have changed they can't handle constructive criticism about the mess they've created whilst they've been at the helm. A longstanding culture of denial (which you are perfectly exemplifying) exists amongst them.

How can someone who cares about the panth not be exasperated at the longstanding mismanagement that's taken place, and the insidious way certain people have been promoting their own shallow bhangra-paaing culture for decades over anything of depth. And the way they've cynically corrupted our very premier institutes for their own petty, self-centred gratification..... At least tarkhan culture has significantly raised up hordes of Sikhs from being unemployed and unskilled - in the UK it's been the most powerful thing that's uplifted the quom, and hordes of juts get to send money back home from it.    Certain people need to humbly accept this truth, instead of living in some delusional dream world they've created in their head - that's REALLY unhealthy. And is the biggest threat to East Panjab. 

 

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19 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Rural Sikhs. I have seen it in my own family there.

We Sikhs are just obsessed with going abroad. My Grandfather has 11 grandchildren, 8 of them live in the west. The other 3 would love to leave as well. This is having a big impact on Sikh demographics in Punjab.

Hindus in Punjab don't migrate anywhere near as much, most of them have businesses and have no reason to leave. 

And now you have Muslim and Hindu migration from UP and Bihar. We will lose our majority status very soon.

Nothing to stop you moving to Panjab is there? Why is it only a problem for people wanting to leave? I've never seen a queue of UK (or any other country sikhs) wanting emigrate. Heck, I know of more UK 'Sikhs' who have emigrated to Canada, they are going even further away from the Panjab

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10 hours ago, imhosingh said:

Nothing to stop you moving to Panjab is there? Why is it only a problem for people wanting to leave? I've never seen a queue of UK (or any other country sikhs) wanting emigrate. Heck, I know of more UK 'Sikhs' who have emigrated to Canada, they are going even further away from the Panjab

When you're already Chardikala in the uk you aren't moving back lol. 

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23 hours ago, imhosingh said:

Nothing to stop you moving to Panjab is there? Why is it only a problem for people wanting to leave? I've never seen a queue of UK (or any other country sikhs) wanting emigrate. Heck, I know of more UK 'Sikhs' who have emigrated to Canada, they are going even further away from the Panjab

It goes back to what I was saying before about certain caste cultural norms turning the place into a cesspit. So no wonder people want to escape it, but then you get people who have recently immigrated actually bringing those backwards values here in the diaspora.

The new people coming here are absolutely nothing like the generation that came here in the 60s/70s. These are more Jazzy B worshiping types.   

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