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Chapter 4, Verse 13:

“chātur-varṇyaḿ mayā sṛṣṭaḿ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ |

tasya kartāram api māḿ viddhy akartāram avyayam ||”

"According to the three modes of material nature and the work associated with them, the four divisions of human society are created by Me. And although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable."

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Here's an interesting extract from Gobind Gita regarding caste: The passage below is from the 14th chapter of the Gobind Gita, written by Guru Gobind Singh. One can find this composition in the P

Are we just getting upset because we were traditionally in the lower castes? 😅

All? You sure about that? Guru Arjan Dev? Guru Har Rai? Guru Har Krishan? Guru Gobind Singh? I'm certain based on official writings the mentioned Gurus had what we'd call staff and helpers which

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vaiśya-karma svabhāva-jam
paricaryātmakaḿ karma
śūdrasyāpi svabhāva-jam

Translation of Bhagavad Gita 18.44

Farming, cow protection and business are the natural work for the vaishyas, and for the shudras there is labor and service to others.

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7 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

nah we one varaan khalsa

Put it this way, even the author/s of the Gita reveal their unintelligent mindset whereby the very people who tilled the land so that society could eat, were considered to be lesser than the rest. Last time I checked, humans can't eat holy scriptures and weapons. 

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2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Put it this way, even the author/s of the Gita reveal their unintelligent mindset whereby the very people who tilled the land so that society could eat, were considered to be lesser than the rest. Last time I checked, humans can't eat holy scriptures and weapons. 

Guru Sahiban all tilled the soil to show us that all professions are blessed and our prayers invoke blessings on the farmers, the sellers, the cooks along the way to our plates before we even take a morsel ...some people need to remember to be humble because they are nothing without the blessings of the masses

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10 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

All? You sure about that?

Guru Arjan Dev? Guru Har Rai? Guru Har Krishan? Guru Gobind Singh? I'm certain based on official writings the mentioned Gurus had what we'd call staff and helpers which included people farming their land on their behalf. Let's not get... carried away!

who taught plantcare and cultivation to Guru Har Rai ji who created an exquisitely stocked medcinal garden and animal treatment place ? obviously it was his father and elders , Guru Harkrishan ji OK due to his age he is exempt . The point was they never showed disgust and rejected people who were poor, sick in need .no job was beneath them , Guru Gobind Singh ji even retied dastars and tended wounds of his beloved khalsa , Guru Teg Bahadur ji stripped himself of clothes to give to a naked child . Khalsa is the lowest of the low and because of that they became the highest model .

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Dr. Ambedkar

Another dogma to which the Bhagvat Gita comes forward to offer a philosophic defence is Chaturvarnya. The Bhagvat Gita, no doubt, mentions that the Chaturvarnya is created by God and therefore sacrosanct. But it does not make its validity dependent on it. It offers a philosophic basis to the theory of Chaturvarnya by linking it to the theory of innate, inborn qualities in men. The fixing of the Varna of man is not an arbitrary act says the Bhagvat Gita. But it is fixed according to his innate, inborn qualities.


Similarly childish is the defence of the Bhagvat Gita of the dogma of chaturvarnya. Krishna defends it on the basis of the Guna theory of the Sankhya. But Krishna does not seem to have realized what a fool he has made of himself. In the chaturvarnya there are four Varnas. But the gunas according to the Sankhyas are only three. How can a system of four varnas be defended on the basis of a philosophy which does not recognise more than three varnas?


The second injunction is laid down in Chapter XVIII verses 41-48. In this Krishna tells that every one do the duty prescribed for his Varna and no other and warns those who worship him and are his devotees that they will not obtain salvation by mere devotion but by devotion accompanied by observance of duty laid down for his Varna. In short, a Shudra however great he may be as a devotee will not get salvation if he has transgressed the duty of the Shudra—namely to live and die in the service of the higher classes.


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If I recall in the Mahabharat serial.

There was a crime conducted by 4 culprits each from the different varnas. 

Duryodhana (Kaurava)was given first dibs on how to punish the culprits. He said kill them all.

Then they asked Yudhistra (Pandava) and he gave different punishments. He gave the Brahmin the most serious sentence because since he was on the top level varna he should know better. The shudra being the bottom level varna was given the most lenient sentence. 

So he varied the sentence according to their varnas. 

Make of that what you will. 

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