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2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

We've already seen how Sikhs, specifically, seem to have been targeted almost like a test run for these panchoday. Remember Jaggi. Remember those two apnay in that van in Scotland everyone surrounded. Look at that case where brothers were being pulled up for some bull5hit attempt on the Badals years ago. Look at all the gorment sponsored 'reports' about 'Sikh extremism'. Look at the obfuscation of grooming. I know we have a lot of mota dimaags in our quom, but surely even the most oafish apnaa can smell the coffee now?   

Somewhat related, good news, the UK is still favourable to Sikhs sometimes. Cannot be coincidence that one of the High Court judges is, but I am confused why he would have been allowed to be involved

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Pushpinder Saini

https://www.geo.tv/latest/386878-uk-high-court-turns-down-indias-appeal-to-extradite-sikh-secession-activist

 Friday Dec 10 2021

UK High Court turns down India's appeal to extradite Sikh secession activist

  • Indian govt filed a plea seeking permission to challenge district court's order refusing Kuldeep Singh's extradition.
  • UK High Court rules that the district judge's order is comprehensive and clearly reasoned and cannot be faulted.
  • India accuses Singh of conspiring with others to commit terror activities in Punjab in 2015-16.

 

The High Court in England on Thursday rejected the Indian government's petition seeking permission to challenge a district court's order turning down the extradition of Khalistan movement activist Kuldeep Singh on humanitarian grounds, giving a huge blow to India's efforts to suppress pro-Khalistan activities in the United Kingdom.

Singh — most wanted in India as an alleged senior member of the banned Khalistan Zindabad Force (KZF) — who is also known as Keepa Sidhu, has been charged by the Indian authorities with allegations of conspiring with others to commit terror activities in Punjab in 2015-16. The Indian government has also accused Singh of plotting to assassinate the then chief minister and deputy chief minister Parkash Singh Badal and Sukhbir Singh Badal, recruiting young Sikhs from Indian Punjab in the KZF through bribery, and arranging meetings of Khalistan activists in Gurdwaras.

On Thursday, the UK High Court judged, Nicola Davies and Pushpinder Saini, maintained the decision issued by the Westminster Magistrates’ Court and ruled that the district judge's order is comprehensive and clearly reasoned and cannot be faulted.

 

Read more: Sikh secessionist group meets UN officials over Modi govt’s attempts to criminalise Khalistan Referendum

 

“There are no grounds upon which it would be appropriate for this court to interfere with the discretion exercised by the district judge,” the high court concluded while rejecting the Indian government's appeal.

In January 2021, District Judge Gareth Branston at Westminster Magistrates’ Court ruled that as the offenses carry maximum sentences and “no possibility of a review of such a life sentence with a view to its commutation, remission, termination or conditional release”, extraditing Singh would go against Article 3 of the European Convention of Human Rights.

Justice Branston had penned the verdict that Singh was not treated badly in India and that there was undisputed evidence of a "conspiracy to commit criminal offenses" in India against him, but questioned the proportionality of a life term without parole. judgment, if such a sentence were imposed upon Mr Singh in the context of this case, then such a sentence would plainly be grossly disproportionate to the offending alleged.

“Whilst clearly very serious allegations, Mr Singh is alleged to have been involved in the funding and recruitment of terrorist activity. As is observed, there is no evidence that anyone was actually killed as a result of his alleged activities. He is accused of acts preparatory to terrorist offences," the judge stated.

Besides the human rights issue relating to a life sentence without parole, the court also found that there is “insufficient evidence to make a case requiring an answer by Kuldeep Singh”.

The high court decision is being deemed a serious setback for India's efforts to not only curb the pro-Khalistan activities in the UK but also to criminalise the Khalistan Referendum leaders including Sikhs For Justice General Counsel Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, Khalistan Referendum coordinators for UK-EU and Canada, Paramjeet Singh Pamma and Hardeep Singh Nijjar.

A few years ago, the Indian government got Pamma arrested in Portugal only to fail in securing his extradition to India. Pamma continues to actively work and campaign for the Khalistan Referendum in the UK and EU.

India claims that it will get the SFJ — a lawfully registered entity — and its Khalistan Referendum activities banned by the UK, Canada and US. 

It is understood that India is trying its best to criminalise the SFJ leaders and activists recognized by the western countries on account of their non-violent secessionist activities such as holding an unofficial ballot for carving a sovereign country Khalistan out of the Indian territory which is seen as a legitimate political expression.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

Just looked at gov website on voting for this bill, which MPs voted 'aye'/'noe'

https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/1175?byMember=False#notrecorded

None of the Conservative MP's voted against, even all the colored ones. Rishi Sunak and Alok Sharma did not put a vote

I think with bills like this they are all expected to tow the company line otherwise they face the party whip, it's still no excuse for not having any morals.

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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

So what happens next? 

Is the bill passed or is it yet to be discussed? 

Think has to go through House of Lords first

19 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Somewhat related, good news, the UK is still favourable to Sikhs sometimes. Cannot be coincidence that one of the High Court judges is, but I am confused why he would have been allowed to be involved

image.jpeg.4cd70d14dae5ed8e8ddd29abe4376f0b.jpeg

Pushpinder Saini

https://www.geo.tv/latest/386878-uk-high-court-turns-down-indias-appeal-to-extradite-sikh-secession-activist

 Friday Dec 10 2021

UK High Court turns down India's appeal to extradite Sikh secession activist

  • Indian govt filed a plea seeking permission to challenge district court's order refusing Kuldeep Singh's extradition.
  • UK High Court rules that the district judge's order is comprehensive and clearly reasoned and cannot be faulted.
  • India accuses Singh of conspiring with others to commit terror activities in Punjab in 2015-16.

 

The High Court in England on Thursday rejected the Indian government's petition seeking permission to challenge a district court's order turning down the extradition of Khalistan movement activist Kuldeep Singh on humanitarian grounds, giving a huge blow to India's efforts to suppress pro-Khalistan activities in the United Kingdom.

Singh — most wanted in India as an alleged senior member of the banned Khalistan Zindabad Force (KZF) — who is also known as Keepa Sidhu, has been charged by the Indian authorities with allegations of conspiring with others to commit terror activities in Punjab in 2015-16. The Indian government has also accused Singh of plotting to assassinate the then chief minister and deputy chief minister Parkash Singh Badal and Sukhbir Singh Badal, recruiting young Sikhs from Indian Punjab in the KZF through bribery, and arranging meetings of Khalistan activists in Gurdwaras.

On Thursday, the UK High Court judged, Nicola Davies and Pushpinder Saini, maintained the decision issued by the Westminster Magistrates’ Court and ruled that the district judge's order is comprehensive and clearly reasoned and cannot be faulted.

 

Read more: Sikh secessionist group meets UN officials over Modi govt’s attempts to criminalise Khalistan Referendum

 

“There are no grounds upon which it would be appropriate for this court to interfere with the discretion exercised by the district judge,” the high court concluded while rejecting the Indian government's appeal.

In January 2021, District Judge Gareth Branston at Westminster Magistrates’ Court ruled that as the offenses carry maximum sentences and “no possibility of a review of such a life sentence with a view to its commutation, remission, termination or conditional release”, extraditing Singh would go against Article 3 of the European Convention of Human Rights.

Justice Branston had penned the verdict that Singh was not treated badly in India and that there was undisputed evidence of a "conspiracy to commit criminal offenses" in India against him, but questioned the proportionality of a life term without parole. judgment, if such a sentence were imposed upon Mr Singh in the context of this case, then such a sentence would plainly be grossly disproportionate to the offending alleged.

“Whilst clearly very serious allegations, Mr Singh is alleged to have been involved in the funding and recruitment of terrorist activity. As is observed, there is no evidence that anyone was actually killed as a result of his alleged activities. He is accused of acts preparatory to terrorist offences," the judge stated.

Besides the human rights issue relating to a life sentence without parole, the court also found that there is “insufficient evidence to make a case requiring an answer by Kuldeep Singh”.

The high court decision is being deemed a serious setback for India's efforts to not only curb the pro-Khalistan activities in the UK but also to criminalise the Khalistan Referendum leaders including Sikhs For Justice General Counsel Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, Khalistan Referendum coordinators for UK-EU and Canada, Paramjeet Singh Pamma and Hardeep Singh Nijjar.

A few years ago, the Indian government got Pamma arrested in Portugal only to fail in securing his extradition to India. Pamma continues to actively work and campaign for the Khalistan Referendum in the UK and EU.

India claims that it will get the SFJ — a lawfully registered entity — and its Khalistan Referendum activities banned by the UK, Canada and US. 

It is understood that India is trying its best to criminalise the SFJ leaders and activists recognized by the western countries on account of their non-violent secessionist activities such as holding an unofficial ballot for carving a sovereign country Khalistan out of the Indian territory which is seen as a legitimate political expression.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I'm always suspicious about this false misconception about political incompetence or stupidity. The media (who is ultimately part of the same rotten system) deliberately circulates this idea that some politicians don't know what they're doing. I think you need to be if not intelligent at least somewhat cunning or calculating particularly when it comes to senior political posts. Labelling Priti Patel as useless or whatnot is a mistake. Why? Have we considered that she's been instructed NOT to get a grip on the migrant situation and then claim otherwise in her public declarations? If, as I've always believed, political parties are a sham and they simply continue the policies and work of each other over the decades, something as unreliably hollow as the electorate's democratic desire only gets in the way of these evil people's long-term plans.

Not sure about the parties being a sham, since at least old Labour and old Conservative Party in past were quite different, although Tory seem to be going more 'right' on many issues and Labour doesn't stand up for many of its traditionally core voters.

There have been some instances of incompetence (which I cannot think of more just now) like Health department not planning properly for  having enough ventilators in expectation of a health crisis like the COVID pandemic, and the Windrush scandal (don't know if that was deliberate or not). 

But agree that to be an MP, you generally have to be 'special' to be selected, rather than incompetent or stupid. 

They in general need have very good social skills to be selected and have to be good at making arguments, and debating and thinking on their feet - definitely more than the average person on the street (at least from what I see). Some MP's might take the p*** with their second jobs etc and allegedly having poor attitudes in helping their constituents, but a job requiring such diverse skills filters out 'dummies' with few exceptions I think. 

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20 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Not sure about the parties being a sham, since at least old Labour and old Conservative Party in past were quite different, although Tory seem to be going more 'right' on many issues and Labour doesn't stand up for many of its traditionally core voters.

There have been some instances of incompetence (which I cannot think of more just now) like Health department not planning properly for  having enough ventilators in expectation of a health crisis like the COVID pandemic, and the Windrush scandal (don't know if that was deliberate or not). 

But agree that to be an MP, you generally have to be 'special' to be selected, rather than incompetent or stupid. 

They in general need have very good social skills to be selected and have to be good at making arguments, and debating and thinking on their feet - definitely more than the average person on the street (at least from what I see). Some MP's might take the p*** with their second jobs etc and allegedly having poor attitudes in helping their constituents, but a job requiring such diverse skills filters out 'dummies' with few exceptions I think. 

I think it's political theatre with rather sinister undertones that people choose not to observe because they'so wracked with their desire to indulge in tribalism. It's not helped by the intellectual quarters of the media who lend the sham legitimacy by reporting on it as if the whole endeavour was above-aboard.

While I don't believe every single MP is in on the conspiracy, but certainly those who rise to Prime Minister and similar levels are aware, in even a vague sense, that they aren't really in control of anything meaningful. The public displays of disparity in ideology are nonsense.

Like I said, when one government of one particular party is voted out and replaced by a new government of the opposing political party, if they were truly ideologically in opposition as they would have us believe with their sham shouting matches in parliament (and, more specifically, the manner in which the opposing ideological wings of the media relish perpetuating the "battle" narrative), the swing from the political vision of the former imcumbents to the present would be noticeable in the policies they implement, and, in all frankness, such visible course correction in each instance would be observable and volatile. But there's nothing of the sort. It's one long continuation of the same policy, the only change is the "front" offered to placate the voters.

If the "root" ideology has been established as insurmountable and unchangeable regardless of who gets in power, then the only difference they offer to the people are the slight variations in the flavour of what's offered as a "choice" to the electorate. I'm not suggesting this was always the case, particularly in the past, but certainly since post-War decades coming into the 21st century there really is NO choice for people to vote their way out of issues plaguing them.

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