Bammans are liars!

[proudkaur21]

44 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

That one bootlicker represents millions of them? 

Plus, you're falling into the trap of not understanding that there's a definite divide in contemporary Indian society between the India / native culture prioritising BJP and the modern, Leftist-esque, Globalist-and-Muslim-appeasing Congress supporters. The latter are the ones who fetishise the West and are always seeking Western approval. Sure, there's overlaps, but my eyes have certainly been opened to a few matters I was ignorant of. The former tend to harp on about not being seen to be any less than the Western powers and wanting the trillions of currency looted by the Brits. Don't take your understanding of India from this forum or social media like I did, lol. You'll end up clowning yourself.

It's very similar to how the divide between Trump fanboys and the Democrats played out. You had the leftist media and intellectuals believing Trump supporters were basically uneducated pendus while they themselves were highly informed, outward looking, and just generally a more intelligent and tolerant class of people. Something similar to that is playing out in India, and I'll tell you that this burgeoning Islamic problem we have in Punjab isn't going to be touched by the pro-Muslim Congress aligned media and politicians. It's going to be the Modi crew that will get things done. So we let them do it. 

Let's see what happens in a few years.

[shastarSingh]

11 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

You are absolutely right.

Brahmin's are 3% of the Indian population and control at max perhaps 5% of the Indian economy.

The vast majority of Brahmins live in poverty albeit there was a "creamy layer" which had succeeded politically.

But the Gujarati's openly boast of having ended Brahmin "Dynasty" Raj and having replaced it with "Bania Raj".

Yet a lot of our people are still living in the stone ages blaming Brahmins for having "enslaved" them. It's bizarre.

The most popular Amritdhari poster on this site (Mehtab Singh) was a former (Hindu) "Brahmin" too!

Are you aware that most of the Kashmiri Sikhs are predominantly of Brahmin ancestry?

Have you ever heard of Shaheed Bhai Mati Das Ji and Shaheed Bhai Sati Das Ji?

Are you aware of the seven (Amritdhari) Sharma brothers from Patiala who defied Indira's tanks in June 1984?

Have you heard of Pandit Kirpa Singh Dutt? Bhat Sikhs laid the foundations for Sikhi in the UK. 

Were the Bhat's who wrote Gurbani (Shabad Guru) also liars according to your opinion?

If you are aware of the above facts then instead of complaining about "bahmans" and "bhaapay" why don't you concentrate on educating some of the 40 million Hindu Brahmin's to join the Sikh Panth instead of hating us?

U don't get me.

When you judge humans, you judge on 2 levels.

Individual level

Community level

For example

Jatts are brave.

The above is true on community level but on individual level, there are thousands of bad jatts. Even kps gill was jatt.

Bhappa as a community is mayadhari and selfish. But on individual levels, there are many bhappaas who do lots of paatth and take good care of Gurdwaras.

Even in bammans, there will be many good people but as a community they have blood of lots of Sikhs on their hands.

Moreover, it's not me calling bammans liars. It's Dasmesh Pita.

RSS is controlled by bamann/Banniya and these bhainchods hv done GHOR nindiya of Guru Sahib and Gurbani.

RSS wants to finish Sikhi and make us Hindus.

[dallysingh101]

12 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

You are absolutely right.

Brahmin's are 3% of the Indian population and control at max perhaps 5% of the Indian economy.

The vast majority of Brahmins live in poverty albeit there was a "creamy layer" which had succeeded politically.

But the Gujarati's openly boast of having ended Brahmin "Dynasty" Raj and having replaced it with "Bania Raj".

Yet a lot of our people are still living in the stone ages blaming Brahmins for having "enslaved" them. It's bizarre.

The most popular Amritdhari poster on this site (Mehtab Singh) was a former (Hindu) "Brahmin" too!

A lot of our people are lulloo like this, they need clear enemies, like in black and white, or it gets too confusing for them.  Even then, the fudhoos still can't see clearly. lol 

[SinghPunjabSingh]

13 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

1. Well I'm pretty sure he is talking about Hindu Brahmins not the ones that became Sikhs.

2. Do they remain Brahmins after becoming Sikhs?

1. I get that. But it is pointless to demonise 40million Hindu Brahmins when our job should instead be to educate them about the glorious examples of our Shaheeds (Bhai Mati Das Ji and Bhai Sati Das Ji as two prominent examples) to welcome as many as we can from that community into the Sikh Panth. On this website we have one Amritdhari Gursikh who was a former Hindu Brahmin (Mehtab Singh) and another Sikh poster (who was born a Hindu) but regularly attends Gurdwara with his family. I personally know of an Amritdhari family that were former Hindu Brahmins at my childhood Gurdwara. We cannot expect 40 million Hindu Brahmins to all become Amritdhari. But i don't think it is major stretch to inspire people via the bravery of Shaheed Bhai Mati Das Ji and Shaheed Bhai Sati Das Ji so that they become sehajdhari members of the Sikh Panth instead of simply making folks hate us with generalised attacks like "Bammans are Liars"

2. Not at all. There is no room for caste in Sikhi. However, pointing out the ancestry of certain great Gurmukhs and Shaheeds of the past can sometimes open the eyes of those who hate us into hopefully understanding Sikhi. Besides I strongly believe that sure maybe 5% of the rabidly vocal "manuwadi soch" Hindu Brahmins may well hate and despise Sikhs as Indira Gandhi did (as Sikhi represents a revolutionary threat to Manuwadi Soch given that Sikhi emphasises the equality of all). But 95% of the said community clearly do not and the fact that most Punjabi Brahmins are Muslims and that most Kashmiri Brahmins are Muslims should give us an indication that this is a community that logically ought to be more receptive to Sikhi via parchaar due to higher levels of education. Additionally before 1947 and to a degree up to 1980 most Punjabi Hindu's used to attend Gurdwara. Had we accepted them and integrated them more as fellow Sikhs at the time (rather than thinking of them as non-Sikhs) then we would have been in a stronger position to fight the Congress Genocide of Sikhs in the 1980's.

[SinghPunjabSingh]

18 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

1A. Jatts are brave.

1B. Even kps gill was jatt.

2. Bhappa as a community is mayadhari and selfish.

3. Even in bammans, there will be many good people but as a community they have blood of lots of Sikhs on their hands.

4. Moreover, it's not me calling bammans liars. It's Dasmesh Pita.

5. RSS is controlled by bamann/Banniya and these bhainchods hv done GHOR nindiya of Guru Sahib and Gurbani.

6. RSS wants to finish Sikhi and make us Hindus.

1A. So if most Jatts are Muslims and 85% plus of Jatts are NOT Sikhs then why exactly are Sikhs (who should have no caste) meant to think highly of the supposed bravery of Muslim Jatts during the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in 1947 when 25% of the Sikh population was killed? Why should Sikhs think highly of the supposed bravery of the Delhi Police Hindu Jatts and Sajjan Kumar that organised Hindu and Muslim mobs to burn Sikhs to death?

1B. I am proud of all Sikhs that were brave and fearless who happened to be from Jatt ancestral backgrounds. As equally as I am proud of all brave Sikhs that were from Ramgarhia, Ravidassia, Brahmin, Khatri, Bihari etc backgrounds too. The key being that Jatt ancestry or any other ancestry did NOT make our Shaheeds brave. It was their faith in Sikhi (and their rejection of biraderi identity) that made our Qaum de heereh brave.

2. Most Punjabi Khatri's are Muslims. Hindu Khatri's are the second most numerous. Sikhs of Khatri background are the smallest minority faith among that demographic. And the ones from the Pakistan (the so-called "bhaapay" as you like to call them) suffered greatly during the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in which 25% of the Sikh population was killed. So please educate me on the benefit of why you would label the Sikh minority from that background as selfish? How does that create Ekta among Sikhs? We need to destroy labels and matrimonial apartheid amongst ourselves as Sikhs rather than stereotype fellow Sikhs.

3. So if Nehru or Indira Gandhi or Vaidya or some rabidly vocal Manuwadi dogs on Twitter hate us does that mean we should ignore a 40 million strong community where there are thousands of former Hindu Brahmins who have become new members of the Sikh Panth without any parchaar (but of their own inquisitive volition)? If 1,000 Hindu's burned thousands of Sikhs to death in Delhi 1984 should we ignore 1,000 million plus so-called Hindu's as potential future members of the Sikh Panth?

4. Dashmesh Pithah does not call a 40 million strong ancestry grouping in India all as liars. Dashmesh Pithah refers to "MANUWADI SOCH". Sikhs who label other Sikhs as so-called bhaapay are exposing their own Bipran ki reet ideology. 

5. Brahmins and Bania are two different ancestry groupings so you are muddying the waters by now including Bania in the argument. But the fact of the matter is you and I both hate the RSS ideology and "MANUWADI SOCH". Those types are indeed the enemy of Sikhs. But the way to beat our enemies is by outreach to their own so-called One Billion plus Hindu demographic and encourage as many Brahmins and Bania and other so-called Hindu's to join the Sikh Panth as sehajdhari Sikhs. Brahmins are 40 million in population. Via parchaar the Sikh Panth can become more numerically stronger, avoid future (and current) Genocides and do greater sewa towards Sarbat da Bhala via greater demographic numbers. Instead of looking at all Hindu Jatts and Hindu Brahmins as enemies we can achieve more by educating them about Sikhi and welcoming them into the Panth.

6. RSS wants to finish Sikhi I agree with you. But Sikhi can never be destroyed because it is 100% Truth. Hindutva uses unwitting Sikhs to do it's dirty work via two main methods. Firstly the RSS define anyone with a pulse as a Hindu in order to create a one billion plus strong votebank.

Conversely, the RSS encourage casteist-minded people from a Sikh background to try sow discord and enmity amongst Sikhs as a small minority community. The other trick they use is by making confused Sikhs self perceive that only an Amritdhari is a Sikh (in order to define the Sikhs like Badal as a 2% minority in Punjab).

Sikhi can destroy the RSS by welcoming the majority of the so-called one billion plus Hindu's as tomorrow's sehajdhari Sikhs. The RSS ideology is of caste exploitation and religious discrimination against other Dharmic faiths such as Sikhi, Buddhism and Jainism. The Sikh ideology is for equality and justice for all and Sarbat da Bhala and our inspiration is from 1699 when 5 brave men from Gujarat, from Karnataka, from Orissa, from Hastinapur and from Sialkot bravely stood up for the rights of the Oppressed and downtrodden at Vaisakhi 1699.

[PuzzledToo]

2 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

 

Sikhi can destroy the RSS by welcoming the majority of the so-called one billion plus Hindu's as tomorrow's sehajdhari Sikhs. 

Disagree. Wont work. They will absorb us and turn our panth into their image and strengthen the caste belief and other superstition,belief in Devi Devtas.

You will say that all of us came from hindus who followed the Gurus. yes, true. But that was a different time,with different circumstances and the Gurus were here in flesh to guide us.

These are the same people who so called converted to Islam and were still performing Hindu rituals behind closed doors. 

And with the current political situation and the strength of Hindutva in India, this mass exodus of Hindus into Sikhi is just a pipedream. Not going to happen. they themselves don't want it. They are in power now,why do domething so stupid as to change religion and lose connection to the powers that be and the elite status in Hindu society that they have been enjoying for centuries? 

Not to forget,one of the reason many Hindus embraced Sikhi was that we had political power back then. Today,not so much and nobody would want to be associated with beggars and powerless people. we have nothing to offer them. And lets get real,in Kalyug very few really give a damn about Dharam. The majority are just cosplaying. 

[SinghPunjabSingh]

2 hours ago, PuzzledToo said:

1. Disagree. Wont work.

2. They will absorb us and turn our panth into their image and strengthen the caste belief and their superstition,belief in Devi Devtas.

3. You will say that all of us came from hindus who followed the Gurus. yes, true.

4. But that was a different time,with different circumstances and the Gurus were here in flesh to guide us.

5. These are the same people who so called converted to Islam and were still performing Hindu rituals behind closed doors. 

6. And with the current political situation and the strength of Hindutva in India, this mass exodus of Hindus into Sikhi is just a pipedream.

7. Not going to happen. they themselves don't want it.

8. They are in power now,why do domething so stupid as to change religion and lose connection to the powers that be and the elite status in Hindu society that they have been enjoying for centuries? 

9. Not to forget,one of the reason many Hindus embraced Sikhi was that we had political power back then.

10. Today,not so much and nobody would want to be associated with beggars and powerless people.

11. we have nothing to offer them.  

1. What is your Plan B then given that Sikhs (despite counting Radha Soami, Nirankari and Sirsa followers within our numbers) are on course to be less than 50% of the east Punjab population by the 2031 census? 

2. How can any Hindu make any Sikh with half a brain cell believe in caste, superstition or imaginary Devi Devta's?

3. Well half of Guru Nanak Dev Ji's and Guru Arjan Dev Ji's Sikhs were former Muslims who left Islam including famous apostates like Bhai Mardana Ji but yes if during the last 100years virtually all new Sikhs have come from a Hindu background then why would we ignore a 1.1 Billion population as a potential source of growing Sikh numbers?

4. Sikh numbers grew by 50% during Giani Ditt Singh's intellectual leadership of the Qaum when Sikhs were subjugated by the British Empire. When we have Dhan Dhan Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj to guide us Guru Sahib are enough.

5. I think you will find that Punjabi Brahmin Muslims + Kashmiri Brahmin Muslims are over-represented in terrorist ranks and represent the majority of that particular caste in historic areas of Punjab and Indian Kashmir too.

6. Nobody is expecting Hinduism to end overnight but I do believe that Vaisakhi 1699 and the undeniable irrefutable Truth of Sikhi can reach out to millions of so-called (falsely classified) Hindu's in this century.

7. Then why did Sikh numbers grow by 50% between 1881-1921?

8. What elite status status have 250 million so-called Dalits been enjoying and what connections do 1 billion poor Indians struggling to put food on the table currently enjoy exactly?

9. What political power did Sikhs hold between 1881-1921 during the heyday of the racist British Empire?

10. Why do you class the Sikh Qaum as beggars and a powerless people when Sikhs are richer than Hindu's on a per capita basis?

11. Sikhi is the undeniable and irrefutable Truth so how can Sikhi have nothing to offer humanity according to you?

 

[dallysingh101]

23 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

U don't get me.

When you judge humans, you judge on 2 levels.

Individual level

Community level

For example

Jatts are brave.

 

It might seem like that living where you do. But if you come out in the wider world where there is a wider mix of people, you can make a better judgment on how brave juts are compared to a wider range of humanity. 

Then you might come to the conclusion that they are 'big fish in a small pond' in and around Panjab where they have some safety in numbers, but I can tell you straight, get away from there, and their are much stronger and braver people than them all over the place. And those of you who have grown up in a multicultural society know this is true. 

In Panjab, once juts get overwhelmed (like with gujjars recently) they suddenly start emphasising the 'Sikh' identity, because they know they will struggle with dealing with things on their own.  

[shastarSingh]

12 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

It might seem like that living where you do. But if you come out in the wider world where there is a wider mix of people, you can make a better judgment on how brave juts are compared to a wider range of humanity. 

Then you might come to the conclusion that they are 'big fish in a small pond' in and around Panjab where they have some safety in numbers, but I can tell you straight, get away from there, and their are much stronger and braver people than them all over the place. And those of you who have grown up in a multicultural society know this is true. 

In Panjab, once juts get overwhelmed (like with gujjars recently) they suddenly start emphasising the 'Sikh' identity, because they know they will struggle with dealing with things on their own.  

I agree. There are brave people all over the world. There hv been many brave wars fought in this world like battle of stalingrad during world war. Taliban also fights very nicely against foreign invasion. Che Guevara was also a brave revolutionary.

What I was trying to say about jatts is that they are more daring and baaghi compared to people around them.

Large no. of our kharrkus were from jatt backgrounds.

[dallysingh101]

15 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

I agree. There are brave people all over the world. There hv been many brave wars fought in this world like battle of stalingrad during world war.

What I was trying to say about jatts is that they are more daring and baaghi compared to people around them.

Large no. of our kharrkus were from jatt backgrounds.

Maybe the standard around them back home is generally low, especially since the sullay have been gone for a few generations now. We can see from how just a few gujjars turning up has caused major problems. Indians are generally known to be darpookhs and kumjoor, so it would be easy for juts to seem especially brave around them.  But on a global level, the situation is very different.

Plus you're not factoring in that even if some are braver than those around them over there, they are still a pretty unintelligent people and generally get rings ran around them by more cleverer people. What's the point of being strong if you're regularly getting fooled and don't develop your community and your homeland?