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Also, stop watching Bollywood because I get the feeling watching that kind of nonsense affects our youngsters. I swear to you it's all rubbish. Don't let their propaganda get to you.

ਬਾਣੀ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਜੀਉ ਕੀ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਘਰੁ ੧ The Word Of Naam Dayv Jee, Raamkalee, First House: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਆਨੀਲੇ ਕਾਗਦੁ ਕਾਟੀਲੇ ਗੂਡੀ ਆਕਾਸ ਮਧੇ ਭਰਮੀਅਲੇ ॥ The boy takes paper, cuts it and makes a kite, and flies it in the sky. ਪੰਚ ਜਨਾ ਸਿਉ ਬਾਤ ਬਤਊਆ ਚੀਤੁ ਸੁ ਡੋਰੀ ਰਾਖੀਅਲੇ ॥੧॥ Talking with his friends, he still keeps his attention on the kite string. ||1|| ਮਨੁ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮਾ ਬੇਧੀਅਲੇ ॥ My mind has been pierced by the Name of the Lord, ਜੈਸੇ ਕਨਿਕ ਕਲਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਮਾਂਡੀਅਲੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ like the goldsmith, whose attention is held by his work. ||1||Pause|| ਆਨੀਲੇ ਕੁੰਭੁ ਭਰਾਈਲੇ ਊਦਕ ਰਾਜ ਕੁਆਰਿ ਪੁਰੰਦਰੀਏ ॥ The young girl in the city takes a pitcher, and fills it with water. ਹਸਤ ਬਿਨੋਦ ਬੀਚਾਰ ਕਰਤੀ ਹੈ ਚੀਤੁ ਸੁ ਗਾਗਰਿ ਰਾਖੀਅਲੇ ॥੨॥ She laughs, and plays, and talks with her friends, but she keeps her attention focused on the pitcher of water. ||2|| ਮੰਦਰੁ ਏਕੁ ਦੁਆਰ ਦਸ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਗਊ ਚਰਾਵਨ ਛਾਡੀਅਲੇ ॥ The cow is let loose, out of the mansion of the ten gates, to graze in the field. ਪਾਂਚ ਕੋਸ ਪਰ ਗਊ ਚਰਾਵਤ ਚੀਤੁ ਸੁ ਬਛਰਾ ਰਾਖੀਅਲੇ ॥੩॥ It grazes up to five miles away, but keeps its attention focused on its calf. ||3|| ਕਹਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਤਿਲੋਚਨ ਬਾਲਕੁ ਪਾਲਨ ਪਉਢੀਅਲੇ ॥ Says Naam Dayv, listen, O Trilochan: the child is laid down in the cradle. ਅੰਤਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਕਾਜ ਬਿਰੂਧੀ ਚੀਤੁ ਸੁ ਬਾਰਿਕ ਰਾਖੀਅਲੇ ॥੪॥੧॥ Its mother is at work, inside and outside, but she holds her child in her thoughts. ||4||1||

VaheGuru Jee, I wanted to know whether the Sangath are aware of any history or background of doing a Chaleesa ... Like what is one required to do and not to do ... Any Sanths/MahaPurakhs that went through these and has anyone tried it themselves? Please post any related information or stories Saadh Sangath Jee ...

I usually don't post such threads but such issues make me sicken and thought of sending a friendly message to young ones.. I came into sikhi because of akj sangat and i strongly believe that they are one of the main pillar of sikh nation and bhai randhir singh ji jeevani can't be compared with any mortal living in todays world... Same with Taksal jathabandi.. they are our history, present and future.. who gave up so much shaheedi and gurmat giyan whenever panth asked for.. In my views these two are the main jathabandis who are for panth chardikala and pure... Below is one example on how todays youth (mostly born and brought up in west) are not doing any positive for panth unity. Having differences is natural but it takes real sikhi to respect others despite of small differences. If you know someone who has such mentality then please guide them, help them and encourage them not to follow such -ve path. Kissay nuh burra naa kaho..

ਪਉੜੀ ॥ ਧੰਨੁ ਧੰਨੁ ਸੋ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੁ ਕਹੀਐ ਜੋ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਚਰਣੀ ਜਾਇ ਪਇਆ ॥ Blessed, blessed is that Sikh of the Guru, who goes and falls at the Feet of the True Guru. ਧੰਨੁ ਧੰਨੁ ਸੋ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੁ ਕਹੀਐ ਜਿਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਾ ਮੁਖਿ ਰਾਮੁ ਕਹਿਆ ॥ Blessed, blessed is that Sikh of the Guru, who with his mouth, utters the Name of the Lord. ਧੰਨੁ ਧੰਨੁ ਸੋ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੁ ਕਹੀਐ ਜਿਸੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਸੁਣਿਐ ਮਨਿ ਅਨਦੁ ਭਇਆ ॥ Blessed, blessed is that Sikh of the Guru, whose mind, upon hearing the Lord's Name, becomes blissful. ਧੰਨੁ ਧੰਨੁ ਸੋ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੁ ਕਹੀਐ ਜਿਨਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਲਇਆ ॥ Blessed, blessed is that Sikh of the Guru, who serves the True Guru, and so obtains the Lord's Name. ਤਿਸੁ ਗੁਰਸਿਖ ਕੰਉ ਹੰਉ ਸਦਾ ਨਮਸਕਾਰੀ ਜੋ ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਭਾਣੈ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੁ ਚਲਿਆ ॥18॥ I bow forever in deepest respect to that Sikh of the Guru, who walks in the Way of the Guru The images say it all, maybe we can learn someone from such Gursikhs with there Pyaar, Ekta & most of all Naam/Banee/Seva/Rehat Dee Kamaayee Damdami Taksaal & Akhand Kirtani Jatha Baba Thakur Singh jee was strong in his beliefs, however at the same time he had the utmost respect for Abhiyaasi (practicing) Gursikhs. Baba Thakur Singh jee met up with (late) Bhai Sahib Raam Singh jee, the former Jathedaar of Akhand Kirtani Jatha and they shared great pyaar. Baba Thakur Singh would make Gursikhs sit on his manjaa (bed) and he would do their sevaa. Baba jee showed respect and love for other Gurumukh Pyaare and their Jeevans (spirituality) regardless of small differences in vichaar. Malaysia Visit In the Summer of 1998, Baba Thakur Singh jee and the Jatha Bhindran Singhs travelled to Malaysia. Baba jee talked very little and talked only if necessary. The Jatha Singhs told Baba jee that (the now late) Bhai Sahib Rajinder Singh jee (Dudley), from the Jathedaar of Chalda Vaheer Jatha (and a member of Akhand Kirtani Jatha), who was also visiting Malaysia for Sikhi Parchaar, had come to meet him. As soon as Baba jee heard this he rushed to the door to greet Bhai Sahib. Baba jee had a long conversation with Bhai Sahib, which was quite unusual for him as he talked littled. Baba Jarnail Singh & Joginder Singh Talwara Can Be See, Aswell as other Gursikhs doing Seva Of Singhs Brothers around each other bodies regardless of minor vichaars. Gursikhs Doing Gurbanee Keertan together regardless of Jathas and Minor Vichaars

http://thelinkpaper.ca/?p=6725 SURREY – Local film company BR Dhillon Productions has launched the film Sant Sipahi, which is inspired by Sikh militant and revolutionary Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale and will use actual footage of the late Sikh leader whom many consider a martyr. In March 1984, Punjab filmmaker Sukhwant Dhadda shot extensive footage of Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale on 16 mm as an assignment for BBC, because of operation Blue Star that film could not be completed, but footage remained with him ever since. Now that footage will become the integral part of the film Sant Sipahi. The film is based on the teachings of Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. When all efforts to resolve a problem peacefully or through dialogue fail, then it becomes the moral duty of a valiant person to pick up the sword and fight against injustice and oppression. The shooting of the film has already begun on 18th April 2011 and will be ready for release by Nov 2011. The film is Produced by Gurdeep Dhillon, Directed by Sukhwant Dhadda ,Music by Issac Thomas and presented by BR Dhillon Production Ltd a Vancouver based Canadian company.

Try doing the moolmantar jaap of 29/30maalas & following the other things mentioned in the topic link above. You'll be amazed on the kirpa it does Some days you'll struggle but it's a amazing experience (having followed it previously ) Enjoy and keep faith in Mahraji Guru kirpa

VaheGuru Jee Kaa Khalsa VaheGuru Jee Kee Fatheh! Thankyou Veer Jee ... Much appreciated! Sri Akaal Jee Sahae!

VaheGuru Jee, Please add 1200 Jaaps ... Dhanvaad Jee modnote: Dhanvaad Phenjeo Your kamayee has been added to the khajana :happy: Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Tuhi Tuhi!

Khalsa Ji I've just recently started using Apple iPod touch 4th Generation and the iPad 1. Both of these devices are fantastic for reading Gurbani. I loaded my own PDF files such as those found on www.gurbanifiles.org like Professor Sahib Singh's Darpan , Sri Dassam Granth bani and I downloaded the Gurbani Anywhere application which is a Godsend. Darpan was very big so I broke it up into ten shorter files. It really fantastic to have Gurbani on devices so one can read it at any time. SGGS is also readable on these devices as padh shedh or larivaar. The clarity is remarkable. The iPod touch charges fully within about an hour but runs down after about twelve hours of perpetual file searching/reading etc. The iPad takes a little longer to fully charge but the charge lasts for many days.

please add 122 Jeo mod note: Dhanvaad Pyaare Veerjeo, jaaps have been added

what the... Sikhs arent supposed to date! please provide evidence vjkk vjkf

This thing is very clear if we keep on fighting among our self there can never be chardikalla of panth. There will be place occasions when two jathebandis had to stand against each other when it comes to mareyada and this is where the seed of hatered is planted. When such situations come its better to look and enforce view point of Akal takth sahib then fighting. Like with sikh channel. If it shows pro abc jatha program the other jatha people declares it anti panthic and stops its financial help and vice verse. And there are many many situations like this. Thats why the need of hour according to me is full promotion of Akal Takth sahibs mareyada when their is a clash of mind sets. The thing which worries me often is after 20 - 30 years the youth today will be in command of panth and this youth dont have even 1% tolerance of going against the mareyada of its own jatha and if nothing is done right now the time when todays youth will be jathedars parcharaks etc it will be most difficult time for ekta of panth.

Name: Shaheeds Of Poanta Sahib Category: History Date Added: 22 May 2011 - 02:41 AM Submitter: BhaiSukhSingh Short Description: Kirtan By Singhs 11 Sikhs were gunned down at Paonta Sahib (Himachal Pradesh) by the Mahant's henchmen. The sangat of Poanta Sahib had requested Jathedar Baba Harbhajan Singh Ji (the one before Baba Nihal Singh Jee)to visit the Gurdwara. They complained that the residing masand was abusing the Gurdwara premises through drinking, raping women that came alone, and making prostitutes dance inside. After several such requests Babaji decided to visit Poanta Sahib accompanied by 13 GurSikhs. They left, from Gurdwara Haria Welan Hoshiarpur, riding horses and horse drawn carts. When they arrived near Gurdwara Poanta Sahib, two GurSikhs carried Babaji's message for the masand requesting initiation of a Akhand Path at the Gurdwara. The masand did not give a definitive answer, instead assured to respond before the next morning. Meanwhile the masand confided with the local police chief, one of his corrupt friends who endorsed and permitted his evil acts. Babaji started the Akhand Path next morning which proceeded uninterrupted for 2 days. On the 2nd day, the masand came with the police. They arrested Babaji who was outside at that time and fired at the GurSikhs inside, who were conducting the Akhand Path. The GurSikhs had no guns. For they had not come with the intent to fight, but rather to hear the sangat's concerns. As a result they were brutally massacred. Eleven died and two survived. As each Pathi was shot while reciting the Guru Granth Sahib, another simply pushed his body and continued the uninterrupted recitation of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Nihal Singh, 21 at the time, continued with his choar sewa (even when he had been shot 3 times) until the last GurSikh was shot. As the Akhand Path was interrupted, Nihal Singh finally fell. The only survivor was the youngest GurSikh, a 11 year old, who was found hiding behind a nagara (drums). Besides him all others were presumed dead. It wasn't until the bodies were being loaded up in a cart that a small child saw Nihal Singh breath and informed the local sikhs. The local sikhs who had gathered by now, screamed to get him some medical attention. Fortunately they succeeded in their efforts. He received medical attention and survived with Vaaheguru's grace. He was subsequently honored by many gurdwaras as Jinda-Shaheed Jathedar. The masand was finally removed. Akhand paths are held each year in the commemoration of this event. View Video

waheguru plz add 1200 Hou Kai Salahee Karim Jant Vadi Teri Vadeyaee Modnote: Waheguru, Dhan Guru Dhan Guru Pyaare, jaaps added jeo

im such a moorakh, cuz i didnt do many jaaps plz add 10 jaaps modnote: Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru, Phenji your Jaaps have been added

Excellent thread. I agree with the majority of the suggestions you've made. I will try not to duplicate what you have suggested. Here are some of my thoughts for the future. 1. Regular weekly English Katha on sunday's at all UK gurdwaras. 2.Every gurdwara should have a feedback mechanism where sangat can provide feedback on current services, services which they would like the gurdwara to provide and ideas for improvement. 3. Support groups for- single parents/widows/divorcees. alcoholics/drug users. 4. Improved use of media- facebook, youtube, email, text message, gurdwara website, 5. education- weekly sikh classes, gatka, kirtan, santhiya, free sikh education books to families to learn about sikhi and for parents to teach their kids the basics. 6. Panj kakkars and gutkas should be freely available to sangat 7. cresh/child care facilities 8. support wider non sikh community- homeless 9. gurdwaras should start purchasing farmland to produce their own food requirements, milk, surplus can be sold for income 10. Each city should create a local council of gurdwaras where represantitives meet regularly to discuss local issues, and work together to promote sikhi. perhaps sikh council could organise this. 11.promote healthy lifestyles- Healthy langar, less butter in dhaal/sabji. gym. 12. university scholarships for intellectual gursikhs whom cant afford to go to university to study top degrees 13.Teach all gyanis English, CRB checks on them, purchase accommodation locally for them, Should receive at least minimum wage. Incentive to learn English- bonus/pay rise? Also need to raise caliber and qaulity 14. more bibiya and youth in committees 15.weekly/monthly "challenges" for sangat eg amritvela for 1 month, stop alcohol for 1 month etc. if they know others are doing this they can help each other to persist with it

10 modnote: Waheguru Jeo, your Jaaps have been added

Wjkk Wjkf Phenji, Please see this thread jeo: :happy:

VaheGuru Jee Kaa Khalsa VaheGuru Jee Kee Fatheh! Thank you for the reply and information ... A GurSikh mentioned this to me but I didn't know what it meant ... When researching on Google I was directed towards Hindu sites and rituals so I'm guessing that the word 'Chaleesa/Chalisa' comes from the Hindi/Sanskrit Grammer ... So the term basically means 40 or to form a habit in forty days? Also, the GurSikh mentioned that sometimes during a Chaleesa one doesn't speak or engage in conversation during those 40 days ... Have you heard this before? I think there was an example referred to in a Katha where a Bibi was severely ill and was guided to carry out a Chaleesa of 5 Sri Sukhmani Sahib Jee de Paath everyday at Amrith Vela for 40 days and finish with an Ardhaas for accepting the Paath, asking forgiveness for wrong doings/mistakes and to be blessed with good health in order to carry out Panthic Seva ... Also, can one carry out a Chaleesa at any time of the day or does it have to be at Amrith Vela and can the Jaap be as long or short in form i.e. Long Jaap of Sri Sukhmani Sahib Jee and/or Short Jaap of Sri Mool Mantar Sahib Jee? Any further advice/information will be greatly appreciated! Sri Akaal Jee Sahae!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa! Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! The main reason for doing chaaliya/ chaleese is to form a new habit e.g. amritvela, incresing nitnem etc. However, they are also done to achieve specific goals or wishes or for health etc. In brief, you're meant to make an asaan e.g. a chaadar or cloth in a clean place, keep some water close by, light a jyoth and dhoof/samagri. Do ardas and start the jaap. Should be started at the same time exactly everyday for 40 days. The first 2 weeks will be the hardest, then it begins to become a habit and gets easier. Not easy, but with Guru Ji's kirpa, it's possible. Best done with the guidance of a Mahapursh, or someone who's done them before. Akaal Sahai!

You are just 19

You're right. What we need to understand then is why the use of aunkars disappears after the 1750s, and then, why it appears as if Prof. Sahib Singh rediscovers lots of grammar rules that seem to have been largely forgotten by the early 20th century? So it seems (tentatively speaking) as if there was a simplification of Gurmukhi around 1750s, but this was not a complete loss of grammar understandings. Schools are mentioned teaching Gurmukhi grammar by Leitner in 1882, so it survived till the Sikh raj and even after. Some books describing the etymology of words in Sikh scripture seem to have existed according to the article linked to by BhagatBalmik: The question of why the grammar that was unveiled by Prof. Sahib Singh has come to be regarded as monumentally significant comes to the fore. Maybe his (no doubt western influenced) systematic approach to interpretation far exceeded previous attempts to 'decode' Gurbani with strict reference to grammar rules? That being said, when I read Macauliffe's earlier translation of Japji Sahib, it doesn't seem too different from the Professor's exposition? Maybe the Professor through his rigid systematic application made concrete, that which was only loosely understood after the mid 1700s (grammatically speaking)?? What you do you think?

^ fantastic post!

Aaja Baba Teer Vaaliyaa

First, As per Sarbat Khalsa gathered @ Sri Akal takht Sahib in 1986, we (sikhs) all need to be Pro-khalistan or Pro-punjab (whatever name we call but our akal takht gathering declared the need of independent homeland). Second, Sri Akal Takht is the only place or institution that serves the purpose of our Home base. Sri Akal Takhat is the only place in our history that all sikhs gathered and made decisions and stood united. Even Raja Ranjit Singh came into power because of Sri Akal Takht Sahib (sarbat Khalsa gathering of sikh misls). Sikhs need to clear their negative doubts about this institution. It is the like of Sarna (congress backed) and other non-sikhs like darshan ragi who are trying their best to break sikh sangat away from Sri Akal takht Sahib so that Sikhs stay leaderless in future and never get united at one place. It is also these ppl who are spreading false fear that sikhs stopped claiming Guru Granth Sahib as our guru and giving more preference to Dasam Granth. While at the same time these pakhandis Third, To those who are born/raised abroad and never been to india except making 2 or 3 quick trips should keep quiet as they have no clue about sikh culture, language dialects, living standard and history of Punjab. Without that you are nothing and can't do anything up there (far away from leading or participating in any movement). Some of our enemies are sikh too.. i am talking about ppl whom you see in khaki uniforms in punjab and the day you change their mind, will be the day khalistan will be made. In order to do that you have to be extremely familiar with punjab. Fourth, Movement without People support is DEAD. If we want to bring change then we need people support. Bring change in punjabi society, open/teach/sponsor young ones.. Give them a chance to learn about sikhi before stuffing something-they-do-not-understand down to their throat. Majority of Sikhs of punjab brainwashed by false indian history for the past 60+ years. Hard way to bring change but we all opt-out for simple short term goal.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Veerjeo, To do Sava Lakh chalisa, one needs to have about 8 hours a day fixed for jaaps if we want to do them with prem and bhagti bhavna. A total of 3125 Mool Mantar Sahib Jaaps a day which is 29 maalas (108 beads) a day. Please do ardas in the lotus feet of Maharaj before you start and full body+kes ishnaan before starting, have a clean white cloth underneath, sit at a fixed place everyday, purify the air by having nice dhoof etc., try to be in Lotus or Half Lotus position as much as you can so that birti can be maintained Try to focus on the third eye while doing jaaps if you are doing Jaaps for spiritual benefits. Practice Brahmcharaj when doing Chalisa. Mahapurashs also say that one should have water nearby too, for water absorbs all the good vibrations and becomes amrit after you are done for the day. This sewa is normally given by Mahapurashs, of course we can do it ourselves with bhagti bhavna too It is a very big task so keep praying for more surti and kirpa on physical body because mann will start playing tricks on you after a week or so ('headaches', 'body aches', etc). These are just mind's tricks to lure back into the world of maya, so ardas is most important May Waheguru Ji keep holding you hand in this task! Gurfateh jeo

No offence, but these Gurmukhs shown above were progressive Gursikhs with Kamia, they were Mahapurshs'. In my view what we have to today are self-appointed, self-promoting, non-deserving, wannabe leaders in each corner. Today, just to see the sub-splits within splits of both DDT and AKJ show that these groups are only surviving off the bhagti of their predecessors’. When we desreve ekta we are blessed with ekta when we deserve disunity then we will suffer disunity.

No but keeping a 3 foot kirpan in your gatra 24 hours is what i meant by bana

Not talking about religion or spirituality Why dont you try and get a job and if its hard to get one spend next 6 months developing a skill which can get you a job. If you start today at the age of 27 years and 6 months you will have a job... If you keep blaming on bad luck it will continue. If you say you can or you cant both things are true. Brother if a person cant find a job thats not bad luck in 99.99 cases but it shows the lack of hard work unless you wear banna ( look different ) Better start doing it now and take your life seriously. Develop a skill which can get you a job. And what ever hours you are sleeping reduce them to half.

The following translation is from Gurpratap Suraj Prakash Granth and discusses the nature of Shaheed Singhs [martyrs]. It starts off by Piara Daya Singh, Piara Himmit Singh and Piara Mokham Singh asking Guru Gobind Singh Ji various questions about Shaheeds. Shaheed Gen Labh Singh (KCF) ਇਕ ਦਿਨ ਕਲਗੀਧਰ ਥਿਰੇ, ਸਿਦਕੀ ਸਿਖ ਤੀਰਾ । One day Kalgidhar [sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji] was sitting with his faithful [sidhki] Sikhs. ਮੁਹਕਮ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਰ ਦਯਾ ਸਿੰਘ, ਹਿੰਮਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਧੀਰਾ । [Piara] Mohkam Singh, [Piara] Daya Singh and the content [Piara] Himmat Singh were also present ਇੱਤ੍ਯਾਦਿਕ ਕਰ ਜੋਰਿ ਕੈ, ਅਸ ਗਿਰਾ ਬਖਾਨੀ । At that moment all three of them folded their hands and made the following supplication, 'ਸ੍ਰੀ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਹਮੈ ਬਤਾਈਐ, ਜਿਸ ਤੇ ਅਨੁਜਾਨੀ ॥੪॥ "Oh Guru Ji, please enlighten us on a topic we have no knowledge of. [4] ਕਿਨ ਕੋ ਨਾਮ ਸ਼ਹੀਦ ਹੈ, ਕ੍ਯਾ ਕਿਰਤ ਕਰੰਤੇ ? । The beings known as Shaheeds, What do they do? ਗਤਿ ਮਿਤ ਇਨ ਕੀ ਕੌਨ ਹੈ, ਕ੍ਯਾ ਸ਼ਕਤਿ ਧਰੰਤੇ ? । What is their limit? What is their code of conduct? What is their power? ਜਿਸ ਥਲ ਬਾਸਾ, ਹੈ ਕਿਤਿਕ, ਪਦਵੀ ਇਨ ਕੇਤੀ । Where do they stay? What is their elevated position? ਸਭਿ ਗ੍ਯਾਤਾ ਕੇ ਤੁਮ ਧਨੀ, ਕਹੀਐ ਹਮ ਸੇਤੀ ' ॥੫॥ You are the knower of all this knowledge, for this reason we have come to you for answers." [5] ਸੁਨਿ ਸਿੱਖਨ ਤੇ ਗੁਰ ਹਸੇ, ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖ ਫੁਰਮਾਯੋ । Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji laughed after hearing this question and said the following, 'ਗੁਪਤ ਹੁਤੀ ਬੂਝੀ ਤੁਮਹੁ, ਕਹਿਬੋ ਬਨਿ ਆਯੋ । "This topic of which you have asked was to be kept secret but because you have asked I will answer your questions." ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਆਪਨੀ, ਸਭਿ ਰਖਹਿਂ ਹਜੂਰੰ । Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji was the protector of the Sangat ਸੇਵਕ ਕੀ ਪਤਿ ਰਾਖਤੇ, ਆਪੇ ਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੰ ॥੬॥ The complete Guru is the one who protects the honour of his devotees. [6] ਸੁਨਿ ਸਭਿ ਕਲਿ ਕਾਲ ਇਹੁ, ਬਰਤ੍ਯੋ ਬਡ ਘੋਰੇ । "Listen brotheres the age of Kaljug is very intense. ਗੁਰ ਪਾਲੀ ਸਿਖ ਸਭਿਨਿ ਕੋ, ਭਲਕਾਵ ਨ ਭੋਰੇ । The Guru nourishes every Sikh and does not ever forget them. ਤਾੜਤਿ ਹੈ ਬਹੁ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਤੇ, ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਬਹੁ ਭੇਖਾ । If a Sikh does something wrong a Guru has many methods on correcting them by adopting numerous forms. ਹੁਕਮ ਸੱਤਿਤਾ ਟਿਕਨਿ ਮਨ, ਸਿੱਖਨ ਗੁਰ ਦੇਖਾ ॥੭॥ A Sikh should adopt truth and accept the will of God, these are what the Guru keeps an eye on and tests. [7] ਜੋ ਸਾਬਤ ਹੈ ਸਿਦਕ ਮੈਂ, ਅਰ ਰਣ ਮਹਿਂ ਸੂਰਾ । Those who have faith will never show his back in a battlefield ਸੋ ਭਉਜਲ ਤੇ ਤਰਿ ਗਯੋ, ਪਾਯੋ ਪਦ ਰੂਰਾ । That being will swim across the worldly ocean if they are martyred in battle. They are liberated without needing to meditate or undergo austerities. ਜਿਨਕੇ ਸਿਦਕ ਨ ਸਾਬਤੀ, ਕਾਤੁਰ ਜੰਜਾਲੀ । Those who are not faithful and are trapped in attachment are lost cowards. ਭਟਕਤਿ ਜਨਮ ਰੁ ਮਰਨ ਮਹਿਂ, ਸੁਖ ਤੇ ਨਿਤ ਖਾਲੀ ॥੮॥ They remain trapped in a cycle of transmigration and are forever without bliss. [8] ਗੁਰੂ ਖਰੇ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਸਹਿਤ, ਚਿਰਕਾਲ ਉਡੀਕੈਂ । I stand in the next world with the sangat waiting for the arrival of a Shaheed. ਖੋੜਸ ਤੱਤਨਿ ਦੇਹ ਧਰਿ, ਥਿਰ ਰਹੈਂ ਸੁ ਨੀਕੇ । The subtle body made of the sixteen facets (seventeen in Vedant) is entrapped in the cycle of transmigration ਹਿਤ ਸਹਾਇਤਾ ਹਮ ਤਹਾਂ, ਤਬਿ ਬਨਹਿਂ ਸਹਾਈ । I will be standing to assist them in the next world to look after those who have gone off the path to be forgiven. ਦਸ ਸਹੰਸ੍ਰ ਸੰਮਤ ਲਗੌ, ਦੇਖੌਂ ਦ੍ਰਿਗ ਲਾਈ ॥੯॥ For 10,00 years I will continue to watch over them. [9] ਹਮਰੀ ਦਿਸ਼ਿ ਕੋ ਸਿੱਖ ਇਹੁ, ਚਲਿ ਆਵਹਿ ਕੈਸੇ । I will hope that through some method a Sikh will find a passage to me. ਜੋ ਆਵਹਿ ਰਲ ਜਾਤਿ ਹੈ, ਸਿੱਖਨਿ ਮਹਿਂ ਤੈਸੇ । Those who state their misdeeds and come back into the order should still be considered your brother ਸਿੱਖ ਛਪੰਜਾ ਕ੍ਰੋੜ ਹੈਂ, ਸੌਂਪੇ ਗੁਰ ਹਾਥਾ । I have been blessed with an order of 560,000,000 Shaheeds by God ਹੁਕਮ ਅਹੈ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਕੋ, ਸਭਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਸਨਾਥਾ ॥੧੦॥ They are all under my subjecation and liberated. [10] ਸ਼ੁੱਧ ਧਰਮ ਕਰਿ ਕੈ ਇਨਹੁਂ, ਕਲਿ ਕਾਲ ਮਝਾਰਾ । By making them pure I have sent them to Sachkhand ਕਰੋ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਜਗਤ ਤੇ, ਲਹਿਂ ਸਿੰਧ ਕਿਨਾਰਾ । They cross over the worldly ocean to safety after helping the world ਉਤ ਤੇ ਲੋਕ ਕੁਬੇਰ ਲਗਿ, ਇਤ ਭੂ ਪਰ ਸਾਰੇ । From the realm of Kuber to this planet ਗੁਰੂ ਉਡੀਕਹਿਂਗੇ ਖਰੇ, ਸਿਖ ੳਰ ਨਿਹਾਰੇ ॥੧੧॥ I will stand and await for the arrival of my Sikh who has returned to the order. [11] ਧਨਦ ਲੋਕ ਭਵ ਲੋਕ ਲਗਿ, ਬਿਚਰਹਿਂ ਗਨ ਸਾਰੇ । The Shaheeds live between this world and the realm of Kuber ਜਿਨ ਕੋ ਨਾਮ ਸ਼ਹੀਦ ਹੈ, ਸਭਿ ਪਰ ਬਲ ਧਾਰੇਂ । Those who are known as Shaheeds have a vast amount of power ਜਸ ਜਸ ਹੁਇ ਇਨ ਭਾਵਨਾ, ਤਸ ਤਸ ਸਿਧ ਹੋਵੈ । Whatever is their desire will become manifest ਭੂਤ ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਅਸੁਰਾਨ ਪਰ, ਸਭਿ ਕੋ ਇਹ ਜੋਵੈਂ ॥੧੨॥ The ghost, animals, demons jinns are all under the Shaheeds subjecation. [12] ਪਸੁ, ਪੰਖੀ, ਨਗ, ਨਾਗ, ਨਰੁ, ਜਛੁ, ਗੰਧ੍ਰਬ ਬ੍ਰਿੰਦਾ । The animals, birds, mountains, snakes, human beings and Gandharvs ਰਾਖਸ਼ਿ ਆਦਿਕ ਅਪਸਰਾ, ਧਰਿ ਸ਼ਕਤਿ ਬਿਲੰਦਾ । The demons and nymphs are under will of the shaheeds ਹੁਕਮ ਸ਼ਹੀਦਨਿ ਕੋ ਚਲਹਿ, ਇਨ ਸਭਿ ਪਰ ਜਾਨੋ । Understand that the will of the Shaheeds is on all of these ਅਪਰਨ ਕੀ ਗਿਨਤੀ ਕਹਾਂ, ਜਮਦੂਤ ਮਹਾਨੋ ॥੧੩॥ What other beings should i talk about as the angels of death are also under the command of Shaheeds. [13] ਬੂਝਿ ਸ਼ਹੀਦਨਿ ਕੋ ਫਿਰਹਿਂ, ਉਰ ਮਹਿਂ ਡਰ ਧਾਰੇ । These beings will fear the Shaheeds in their heart and will always confer with them prior to making decisions ਲੋਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਬੈਤਾਨ ਇਨ੍ਹ, ਲਖਿ ਭੇਦ ਉਦਾਰੇ । Those people who do not know them will be in doubt confusing them for vampires / evil spirits [betal] ਸ਼ਾਸਤ੍ਰਾਨਿ ਕੋ ਪਠੈਂ ਜੋ, ਸੋ ਇਨ ਕੇ ਨਾਮੂ । Within the Shaastars this is the name given for these beings. ਬਿਦ੍ਯਾਧਰ ਭਾਖਤਿ ਸਕਲ, ਬਿਲਸਤਿ ਅਭਿਰਾਮੂ ॥੧੪॥ The Vidyadhar deities who live in the ether are under the command of the Shaheeds. [14] ਲਖਹੁ ਅਸ਼ੁਭ ਭੀ ਇਨਹੁਂ ਮੈਂ, ਸ਼ੁਭ ਅਹੈਂ ਘਨੇਰੇ । The non auspicious and auspicious are both under the subjecation of the Shaheeds ਹੈ ਸੁਭਾਵ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਬਿਧਿਨਿ ਗੁਨ, ਸਤ ਰਜ ਤਮ ਕੇਰੇ । Some of the Shaheeds are made of considerable Sato virtue, Tamo virtue and Rajo virtue [guna]. ਸੰਗਤ ਤੇ ਪੁਜਵਾਵਈਂ, ਜੋ ਹੈ ਇਨ ਕੇਰੀ । The congregation worship the shaheeds ਪੂਰੀ ਕਰਤਿ ਸੁ ਕਾਮਨਾ, ਜਸੁ ਜਨ ਹੈ ਕੇਰੀ ॥੧੫॥ Whatever a person desires is completed by the Shaheed Singhs. [15] ਦੁਖ ਸੁਖ ਕੇ ਦਾਤਾ ਅਹੈਂ, ਦੇਤੇ ਸਭਿ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ । They are the granters of bliss and sorrow and grant it to all ਸਰਬ ਕਲਾ ਸਮਰੱਥ ਇਹੁ, ਧਰਿ ਸ਼ਕਤਿ ਮਹਾਨੀ । They have every type of power and are themselves very powerful ਦੇ ਕਰਿ ਇਨ ਕੋ ਭਰਤਖੰਡ, ਸੁਰ ਸੁਰਗ ਸਿਧਾਰੇ । The deities handed over the land of India (Bharat Khand) to the Shaheed Singhs and left for heaven ਬੈਠੇ ਜਾਇ ਨਿਚਿੰਤ ਹੁਇ, ਸਾਂਭੀ ਸਭਿ ਕਾਰੇ ॥੧੬॥ The deities are sat without worry as the Shaheeds are controlling all of their work. [ 16] ਪਹੁਂਚਹਿ ਜੋ ਦੇਵਨ ਸਭਿਨਿ, ਅਰਪਤਿ ਜੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ । Whichever being comes to the earth, even if they are taken away by the angels of death understand that they are doing this in accordance to the will of the Shaheed Singhs ਹਾਥ ਸ਼ਹੀਦਨਿ ਹੋਇ ਕੈ, ਜੈ ਹੈ ਸਭਿ ਥਾਨੀ । Everything is in the hands of the Shaheeds and they are praised everywhere ਪਰਮੇਸ਼ੁਰ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖ, ਇਸੁ ਕਾਰ ਲਗਾਏ । It is God the creator of all who has given them this duty ਹੁਇ ਸੁਚੇਤ ਨਿਤ ਕਰਤਿ ਹੈਂ, ਕਬਿ ਨਹਿਂ ਬਿਸਰਾਏ ॥੧੭॥ They never fail their duty and are forever ready. [17] ਹੈਂ ਸ਼ਹੀਦ ਸਭਿ ਰੀਤਿ ਕੇ, ਲਘੁ ਬ੍ਰਿੰਦ ਬਿਸਾਲਾ । The Shaheeds come in different types some are big and some are small ਭੋਜਨ ਅਨਿਕ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਰ ਕੇ, ਅਚਵਹਿਂ ਸਭਿ ਕਾਲਾ । They consume infinate types of food ਸੂਖਮ ਬਸਤ੍ਰਨਿ ਬਰਨ ਬਹੁ, ਨਿਜ ਤਨ ਪਰ ਧਾਰੇ । They wear different coloured subtle clothing on heir bodies ਅਸਵਾਰੀ ਸਭਿ ਰੀਤਿ ਕੀ, ਆਰੋਹਿ ਬਿਹਾਰੇ ॥੧੮॥ They can travel on any vessel/vehicle and are constanly found on a vehicle [such as a chariot or on the back of an animal] ਅਸਨ ਬਸਨ ਬਾਹਨ ਭਲੇ, ਜੇਤਿਕ ਇਹੁ ਲੈ ਹੈਂ । To eat and to wear they can have anything as no one can prevent them ਸਭੈ ਮੁਹਾਬ ਸ਼ਹੀਦ ਗਨ, ਜਿਮ ਕਿਮ ਕੋ ਦੈ ਹੈਂ । They are allowed to ride on any vessel and are not prevented to enter any realm ਸਭਿ ਦੀਪਕ ਸਭਿ ਖੰਡ ਕੋ, ਸਭਿ ਸੈਲਨ ਸੈਲਾ । The Shaheeds can go into land or sea no one can prevent them ਸਾਗਰ ਸਲਿਤਾ ਪਰ ਫਿਰਹਿਂ, ਭੂਲਹਿਂ ਨਹਿਂ ਭੈਲਾ ॥੧੯॥ They can walk on water, air and the earth, they can go anywhere. [19] ਅਵਲੋਕਹਿਂ ਸਭਿ ਥਲ ਬਿਚਰਿ, ਮਾਯਾ ਜੁ ਤਮਾਸ਼ਾ । They see the game of Maya being played out everywhere ਜਥਾ ਬਿਪਸ਼ਚਿਤ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਭਯੋ, ਕੀਨੀ ਤਿਨ ਆਸਾ । In the way Raja Bipishchit kept the following support, ਮਾਯਾ ਕੋ ਦੇਖਨਿ ਗਯੋ, ਚਹੁਂ ਕੁੰਟ ਮਝਾਰਾ । He went to see Maya in the four directions of the world ਦੇਖਤਿ ਦੇਖਤਿ ਨਹਿਂ ਮੁਰ੍ਯੋ, ਨਹਿਂ ਅੰਤ ਨਿਹਾਰਾ ॥੨੦॥ He kept on seeing Maya and saw no end, in this way he never returned or saw his demise. [20] ਤਿਮ ਹੀ ਸਕਲ ਸ਼ਹੀਦ ਇਹੁ, ਜਗ ਪਿਖਹਿਂ ਤਮਾਸ਼ਾ । They watch the game being played in creation" ਤਨ ਜੌਨੀ ਅਪਰ ਨ ਧਰਹਿਂ, ਜਿਮੁ ਜੀਵ ਸੁ ਆਸਾ । The Khalsa asked, "Do they undergo transmigration?" ਭਰਮਤਿ ਨਹਿਂ ਮਰਿਬੇ ਜਨਮ, ਸਿਰ ਪਰ ਗੁਰ ਪੂਰਾ । Guru Gobind Singh Ji replied, "They do not undergo transmigration and the complete Guru remains above their heads. ਪਾਲੀ ਸਭਿ ਸੰਭਾਲਿ ਲੇ, ਕਹਿ ਕੈ ਬਚ ਰੂਰਾ ॥੨੧॥ The Guru raises the Shaheed and looks after them. [21] ਸਬਲ ਸਮੂਹ ਸ਼ਹੀਦ ਕੀ, ਗਤਿ ਮਿਤਿ ਲਖਿ ਐਸੇ । Understand this to be the code of conduct and way of life for a Shaheed ਤੁਮ ਮੇਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਿਯ ਸਿੱਖ ਹੋ, ਬੂਝੀ, ਕਹਿ ਤੈਸੇ । [Piara] Daya Singh you are my beloved Sikh so due to this I have told you what i know about them ਅਹੈਂ ਸਾਥ ਜੇ ਸ਼ਕਤਿ ਧਰਿ, ਤਿਨ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਜੋਈ । The nine Naths congregate to see the Shaheeds ਸਿੱਧ ਅਹੈਂ ਸਮੁਦਾਇ ਸੋ, ਸਿੱਧੀ ਧਰ ਸੋਈ ॥੨੨॥ The eighty four Sidhs are also under the will and command of the Shaheeds. [22] ਕਹੈਂ ਦੀਨ ਵਾਲੀ ਜਿਸੈ, ਬਹੁ ਦੀਨ ਕਮਾਵੈ । The nation of prophet Mohammed [The Muslim people] are also under the subjection of the Shaheeds ਲਖਹੁ ਮੁਹੰਮਦ ਕੀ ਅਹੈ, ਤਿਹ ਨਿਕਟ ਰਹਾਵੈ । The hundreds and thousands of muslims are under the subjecation of the Shaheeds and Mohammed stays close to them ਨਾਮ ਜਨਾਇਤ ਤਾਂਹਿ ਕੌ, ਜਗ ਬਿਖੈ ਕਹਾਵੈ । In the world the Muslim nation is well known and they remain under the command of the Shaheeds ਕ੍ਯਾ ਕਹੀਯਹਿ ਇਸ ਬਾਤ ਕੋ, ਕ੍ਯਾ ਕਿਸਹਿ ਸੁਨਾਵੈਂ ॥੨੩॥ What should we say and who should we tell about the Shaheed Singhs. [23] ਨਿਗੁਰੇ ਬੇਮੁਖ ਹੋਤਿ ਜੇ, ਕਰਤੇ ਮਨ ਭਾਯਾ । The bad, apostates and those who live in accordance to their mind ਤਨ ਤ੍ਯਾਗਤਿ ਹੁਇਂ ਭੂਤਨੇ, ਤਨ ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਕੁ ਪਾਯਾ । When they die they will become ghosts ਤਨ ਤ੍ਯਾਗਤਿ ਹੁਇਂ ਭੂਤਨੇ, ਤਨ ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਕੁ ਪਾਯਾ । When they die they will become ghosts and then be given a ghostly body ਸੰਕਟ ਬਿਖੈ ਬਿਤਾਵਤੇ, ਨਿਜ ਬੈਸ ਮਹਾਂਨੀ । Then they will endure a life of hardship ਗੁਰ ਬਿਨ ਕਿਮ ਸੁਖ ਕੌ ਲਹੈਂ, ਅੰਧੇ ਅੱਗ੍ਯਾਨੀ ' ॥੨੪॥ Without the Guru how can an ignorant person gain peace and bliss?" [24] ਸੁਨਿ ਸਿੱਖਨਿ ਗੁਰ ਕੋ ਬਚਨ, ਮਨ ਬਿਖੈ ਬਸਾਯੋ । All of the Sikhs listened to the words of the Guru and adopted the teachings of the Guru ' ਧੰਨ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਪੂਰਨ ਕਲਾ, ਤੁਮ ਸਕਲ ਬਤਾਯੋ । [Piara] Daya Singh Ji said, "Oh God, master, you are truely complete and have told us everything ਪਰੇ ਸ਼ਰਨ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਮਲਿਨ, ਲਿਹੁ ਆਪ ਸੁਧਾਰੀ । Oh King we are full of dirt and have come into your shelter ਕ੍ਯਾ ਜਾਨਹਿਂ ਨਰ ਮੰਦ ਮਤਿ, ਗਤਿ ਅਗਮ ਅਪਾਰੀ ॥੨੫॥ beings like us with bad mind, what are we to understand or know? Your knowledge is beyond comprehension." [25] Shaheed Singhs - Suraj Prakash Granth Presentation; JagdipGurpartap SinghTranslation : Giani Inderjit Singh J

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I think this daljit nirmala should be punished severly by the sangat...show him no mercy...and then after also punish this wacky swami for trying to infiltrate our institutions and damage our sikhi...

You need to find out what the olympic torch really represents, and how it is an occult ritual. It has nothing to do with spirituality or God, or Sikhi.

The torch is the ritual. Find out what it means. It would be like asking a Sikh to pray to an Idol, absolutely disgusting if you really knew what the torch symbolises. Don't do it, Sikh's should be known for their actions as Sikhs, not for partaking in stupid rituals. You want the PR of being a good little conformist, and a sheep to Britain, who tortured our ancestors? I've got nothing against the athletes, just that the olympics event, is a mind programming exercise for the world. All this would do, is show TPTB that Sikh's have also been brainwashed, and just do what everybody else does. Without questioning, why? Why is the torch lit? What does it actually mean? But instead you want people to mindlessly follow it. Look i know you had good interests with this thread, but the olympics is nothing like most people think it is. Its not about sports and competition, its about diverting your attention, from things that matter.