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SukhdevSinghMedare Ji You clearly know this is not a playground scrap, this is about Gurmat. Your tactics of repeating your same post again and again is just a sign of despracy to back a weak moral agenda. Sikh principles, morals and rehat maryada are being mocked by this Committee. This could be India or UK, they could be Hindu, Muslim, Christian and Sikh but the abuse of the Guru ghar properties is a maha beadbi, the kind of maha beadbi Baba Deep Singh, Baba Gurbaksh Singh, Nankana Sahib shaheeds gave their lives for. Fact is that it's just gone on for too long there's a 5 month history of attempted dialogue with the Committee you defend. You talk about respect for elders but fail to mention the lack of respect the Committee gave to those elders who came from all the various Midlands Gurdwaras to meet Atwal, Sandhu, Purewal, Rai, Medare (your relative) and others. You fail to talk about the insult your Committee has directed to Akal Takht Maryada which our mahan shaheeds gave their lives to uphold. It's nothing personal but the trap GNSS Dudley Committee and members like you have fallen into is that you appear to believe running the house of Dhan Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Maharaj is about "maximising" the donations. Guru Ji already clearly tells us that influenced by the money, we become greedy, in turn, greed gives rise to corruption and selfishness. In that state not only do we ruin ourselves but we drag our community down with us too. Accordingly, Guru Ji indicates that the ones with greed cannot be trusted. Such people are compared to the mad dog with rabies. "Their madness ruins everything", states the Gurbani. ਲੋਭ ਲਹਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ ਹਲਕੁ ਹੈ ਹਲਕਿਓ ਸਭਹਿ ਬਿਗਾਰੇ ॥: Lobh lahari sabh suaan halak hai halkio sabhai bigaare: The waves of greed are like mad dogs with rabies. Their madness ruins all (those whom they bite – ਵੱਢ ਵੱਢ ਕੇ) All GurSikhs want to do is to advise your Committee to not drag their jeevans down and not drag the jeevans down of the Community they believe they "support". I understand your loyalty, but perhaps you don't understand the Sidik of the Sikh. Sir Jave ta Jave Mera Sikhi Sidik naa jave My head can go but my Sikhi wont go. You can mock and ridicule people like us all you want, but we will be attending this rally in huge numbers to express our hurt at the continuous abuse the Committee show towards Sikh Maryada and the properties of the Guru Ghar. You can craft cunning loopholes seperating the hall but ultimately the truth is the truth, eventually it's going to force it's way out. I pray you do join us all on Saturday when we unite together and recite Sri Chaupai Sahibs for our Panth's Chardi Kala.

Sukhdev Singh ji. To you a gurdwara is a building with constitutions an clauses, just like a business. To the wider Gursikh sangat a Gurdwara is the house of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji where Gurmat principles are promoted. Dudley GNSS committee clearly dont have the gurmat to further progress Sikhi, oh but really know how to amend clauses and lie about ownership. That kind of Sikhi wont get you far...

I don't know, but I interpret the above shabad such that Bhagat Kabir ji is telling us to make our life useful and do good karam before death. So blood donation would be one way and organ donation would be another after death.

Saad Sangat, SukhdevSinghMedare is just trying to get us worked up so that we may take inappropriate actions at the rally. Please remember that in order to fulfil the Satkaar objective (which we all agree with) we need to behave in an appropraite manner, as literally the world will be watching. Any wrong actions will be multiplied by 10 and held against us.

ANy property a gurdwara owns becomes the property of the guru. How can you justify having meat and alcohol in a building which is not owned but the committee or even the people of dudley, its the proeprty of dhan guru granth sahib ji would you think its ok to have parties in th rooms around the parkarama at darbar sahib as they are techincally darbar dahib itself? your argument is flawed. Just because there is no parkash of guru ji saroop in the building its property of the gurdwara. i think some people need to stop looking at it as "our gurdwars" our community centre" take a step back look outside of the box and im sure you will see everything in a different perspective. If guru Nanak or Guru Gobind Singh was here standing next to you you thin they would say " yeah no problems go have your meat and alcohol" i pray that a the sangat of dudley will understand why this is not acceptable to the sikh quam.

Your lack of answer is all the answer I needed. It is clear that you have admitted to yourself that what you are doing is against Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Sikhi. It is clear the Sikh sangat and 'Dudely Sangat' who are pushing this agenda are part of two very different paths. Carry on with whatever you wish to do but please declare yourselves as something different from the Sikh Panth. Hadh hogayee hun Sikha noo bakhsh lo.

It's a separate place, which is (or was, until very recently) owned and managed by the Gurdwara. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Does Akal Thakht not meaning anything to you and the rest of your Dudley committee?

Press Release and Sangat Update Dudley, UK - 14 May 2011 www.SatkaarCampaign.blogspot.com Saturday 28 May 2011: Peaceful rally at GNSS Dudley Gurdwara All Sangat requested to recite Chaupai Sahib prayer in advance and attend the PEACEFUL RALLY Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! It is with great regret that the UK Sangat is informed that the Guru Nanak Singh Sabha (GNSS) Dudley Gurdwara committee have taken a booking for a party, which will permit alcohol, meat and dancing, to be held at the Sikh Cultural Centre on Saturday 28 May 2011. This has occurred after months of attempted discussions and negotiations by both the Satkaar Campaign and UK Sikh community leaders to persuade the GNSS Dudley Gurdwara committee to follow Gurmat Maryada and the 2006 Sandesh issued by Akal Takhat Sahib. The history of this entire episode can be read on our blog. As all attempts of dialogue with the committee have failed, the UK Sikh Community, supported by leading UK Gurdwaras and all Panthic Jathebandiaan, will be holding a PEACEFUL RALLY at GNSS Dudley Gurdwara on Saturday 28 May 2011 from 2pm, the aim of which will be to raise awareness to the GNSS Dudley Gurdwara committee of their obligation to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj, Akal Takhat Sahib and the Sikh Nation. The UK Sikh Sangat is requested to attend this peaceful rally to advance the Satkaar for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj and to protest against the gross sacrilege that the GNSS Dudley Gurdwara committee are intending to permit and promote. Further details in relation to peaceful rally, including the protocol that must be observed, will be provided in the coming days on our blog. Please keep checking the blog for further information and updates in respect of the peaceful rally. The UK Sikh Community are also humbly requested to recite the Chaupai Sahib prayer as much as possible in the run up to the peaceful rally, as it is only with Guru Ji's blessings that the Sikh Nation will successfully reach a resolution in this matter. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! See previous thread for history on the issue. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/58393-dudley-gurdwara-update/

This Shabad is by Bhagat Kabeer Ji in Raag Gond on Pannaa 870 goNf ] go(n)add || Gond: nrU mrY nru kwim n AwvY ] naroo marai nar kaam n aavai || When a man dies, he is of no use to anyone. psU mrY ds kwj svwrY ]1] pasoo marai dhas kaaj savaarai ||1|| But when an animal dies, it is used in ten ways. ||1|| Apny krm kI giq mY ikAw jwnau ] apanae karam kee gath mai kiaa jaano || What do I know, about the state of my karma? mY ikAw jwnau bwbw ry ]1] rhwau ] mai kiaa jaano baabaa rae ||1|| rehaao || What do I know, O Baba? ||1||Pause|| hwf jly jYsy lkrI kw qUlw ] haadd jalae jaisae lakaree kaa thoolaa || His bones burn, like a bundle of logs; kys jly jYsy Gws kw pUlw ]2] kaes jalae jaisae ghaas kaa poolaa ||2|| his hair burns like a bale of hay. ||2|| khu kbIr qb hI nru jwgY ] kahu kabeer thab hee nar jaagai || Says Kabeer, the man wakes up, jm kw fMfu mUMf mih lwgY ]3]2] jam kaa dda(n)dd moo(n)dd mehi laagai ||3||2|| only when the Messenger of Death hits him over the head with his club. ||3||2||

Sahib Sri Guru Amar Das Patshah Jee Maharaj de aagaman purab diyaan samooh sangataan nu beant vadhaiyaan! thil mil ful amul jio gurasikh sa(n)dhh suga(n)dhh fulaelaa|| khaasaa malamal sireesaaf saah kapaah chalath bahu khaelaa|| gur moorath gur sabadh hai saadhhasa(n)gath mil a(n)mrith vaelaa|| dhuneeaa koorree saahibee sach manee sach garab gehaelaa|| dhaevee dhaev dhurraaeian jio miragaaval dhaekh baghaelaa|| hukam rajaaee chalanaa pishhae lagae nak nakaelaa|| guramukh sachaa amar suhaelaa ||11|| As sesame mixed with flower becomes scented oil, likewise the meeting of the Guru and the disciple makes a new personality. Cotton also after passing through many processes becomes cloth of different varieties (similarly the disciple after meeting the Guru obtains a high position). Only the Guru’s word is the idol of Guru and this word is received in the Holy Congregation in the ambrosial hours of the day. The lordship of the world is false and the Truth must be caught hold of proudly. Before such a Truthful person, the Goddesses run as a group of deer take to their heels on seeing a tiger. People, accepting the will of the Lord and wearing the nose bar (of Love) move (calmly) with Guru Amar Das Guru Amar Das is the Truth incarnate, blest one Gurmukh, the Guru oriented.(11) - Bhai Gurdas Jee

The jealous scholars lodged a complaint with the then ruling authorities regarding Gurmat. The authorities requested that SriGuruAmarDas Ji Maharajh attend Lahore and clarify the situation. SriGuruAmardas Ji Maharajh delegated this task to Bhai Jehta Ji {SriGuruRamDas Ji Maharajh}. Upon hearing this command Bhai Jehta was stunned since they felt that they did not possess the academic ability to satisfy the scholars and the ruling authorities. SriGuruAmarDas Ji Maharajh told Bhai Jehta Ji to go there , recite Sri Mool Mantar five times , and then look at your right sleeve. Bhai Jehta Ji obeyed the command without quivering. When they recited the Mool Mantar five times they saw all the world's vidhya {knowlegde} standing there with clasped hands awaiting their command. Bhai Jehta Ji answered their queries with such splendour that the ruling authorities praised Gurmat. The nindak scholars were left speechless and left the court empty handed. Dhan Dhan SriGuruAmarDas Ji Maharajh. Dhan Dhan Mool Mantar. Dhan Dhan SriGuruRamDas Ji Maharajh.

S1ngh is so true. As they say, "Divided we fall".

Just asked my cousin who lives in dudley the only madares he knows in dudley is *personal info edited* who is one of the main "stakeholders" of the sikh cultural centre..so i guess *edit* is related to him and has a interest in this matter......for all his views on income generation can he expalin why a gurdwara like edward street in west brom where i am from is smaller than the dudley one and has a community hall smaller than the dudley one and runs adequately without maas sharab......also he needs to go to sedgely street and see there centre as well.....no wonder he lives 120 miles away from dudley!!!

I had to do some research to work out what you meant by subsidiarity. When I found out what it meant, my reply is that you should understand that the Sikh faith works along the basis of a Nation/Quam/Panth. Therefore, your concept of subsidiarity only applies in a general sense, though where there is a gross abuse of Sikh principles (as the Dudley committee is doing), akal takht has every right to intervene and override what the locals are doing. THIS IS THE SIKH WAY OF DOING THINGS. IF THE DUDLEY GURDWARA COMMITTEE DISAGREES WITH THIS, THEY SHOULD RESIGN FROM THEIR POSITIONS AS CUSTODIANS OF A GURDWARA!

Madare Ji, it does not matter how much one contributes, fiancially or otherwise, no one has the right to say that the Gurdwara is "their's" I think this what is coming out of Dudley. People are saying this is "my Gurdwara" and you can bring howevermany people to the protest but we will continue to have parties with meat/sharab. This is plain wrong. the Gurdwara belongs to the sangat, aa whole and not to any group or individual. You must submit to the will of the Sangat.

You interpretation of those standing against anti-gurmat activities at Dudley GNSS as a pride thing. What about the Committee who are unwilling to follow Sikh Rehit Maryada? The only reason why they are refusing is pride! Bhaji, I appreciate you loyalties to your Gurdwara where you grew up. But the simple issue is that this Gurdwara pass the matta that there will be no meat, alcohol served on Gurdwara property. Its nothing to do with who is elder.

Mr Medare, Can you please explain how "very good Sikhs" can allow the Sangat's money be used for promoting meat and alcohol? Where/how does Sikhi allow this? Why can't you accept that this practice has been outlawed by the highest authority for Sikhs?

Fantastic show on sikh channel last night.....highlighting the Dudley issue think this should be followed up...next week after the rally!!

This video completely clarifies that meat and sharab cannot be served in the Gurdwara or any Gurdara owned/affiliated building. If Ramgharia Gurdwara Graham Street are trying to go back on their own words and are thinking to allow parties (with or without meat/sharab) then they need to realise that this is just unacceptable and against Gurmat and the vidoe clarifies this! This also applies to Dudley Gurdwara and all the Gurdwarae too!

Press Release and Sangat Update Dudley, UK - 22 May 2011 www.SatkaarCampaign.blogspot.com Akal Takhat Sahib Jathedaar confirms 2006 Sandesh still applies Clarification on letter to Ramgarhia Sikh Temple, Birmingham Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! As the UK Sangat may be aware, 5 Singh Sahibaan (including Jathedaar of Akal Takhat Sahib, Singh Sahib Giani Gurbachan Singh Ji) were present in the UK in the last week. The UK Sangat took this opportunity to seek the support and encouragement of Akal Takhat Sahib's Jathedaar for the Satkaar Campaign. Sevadaars have been informed that the Jathedaar gave statements supporting the Satkaar Campaign in Derby on Saturday 14 May, in Gravesend on Sunday 15 May, in West Bromwich on Monday 16 May and in Central London at Central Gurwara (Khalsa Jatha) on Wednesday 18 May 2011. Importantly, the Jathedaar and his PA, Bhai Jaswinder Pal Singh Ji, confirmed that the 2006 Sandesh still applies in full force, and it is not superseded in any way by a letter from Akal Takhat Sahib to Ramgarhia Sikh Temple, Birmingham dated 31 March 2011. This letter is attached below: As the Sangat will see, this letter is very vague and it does not suggest that the 2006 Sandesh has been revoked. Unfortunately, we are aware that certain Gurdwara committees may be seeking to use this letter to continue justifying/re-starting their Manmat of permitting meat, alcohol, tobacco, parties and dancing on Gurdwara premises. We alluded to this letter in our Press Release of 5 May 2011, though as the Sangat will see, Bhai Jaswinder Pal Singh Ji (who is also the signatory of the letter to Ramgarhia Sikh Temple, Birmingham) clarifies beyond doubt that this letter does not undermine the 2006 Sandesh and that it still applies in full force, in the video below: Rather than seeking to find clever ways to justify having meat, alcohol, tobacco, parties and dancing on Gurdwara premises, we would once again humbly request the relevant offending Gurdwara committees to come within the Gurmat-fold. This also applies to the GNSS Dudley Gurdwara committee, where the UK Sangat is reminded of, and requested to attend on Saturday 28 May 2011 from 2pm, a peaceful protest against a meat and alcohol party being held at GNSS Dudley Gurdwara. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

ਬਾਣੀ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਜੀਉ ਕੀ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਘਰੁ ੧ The Word Of Naam Dayv Jee, Raamkalee, First House: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਆਨੀਲੇ ਕਾਗਦੁ ਕਾਟੀਲੇ ਗੂਡੀ ਆਕਾਸ ਮਧੇ ਭਰਮੀਅਲੇ ॥ The boy takes paper, cuts it and makes a kite, and flies it in the sky. ਪੰਚ ਜਨਾ ਸਿਉ ਬਾਤ ਬਤਊਆ ਚੀਤੁ ਸੁ ਡੋਰੀ ਰਾਖੀਅਲੇ ॥੧॥ Talking with his friends, he still keeps his attention on the kite string. ||1|| ਮਨੁ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮਾ ਬੇਧੀਅਲੇ ॥ My mind has been pierced by the Name of the Lord, ਜੈਸੇ ਕਨਿਕ ਕਲਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਮਾਂਡੀਅਲੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ like the goldsmith, whose attention is held by his work. ||1||Pause|| ਆਨੀਲੇ ਕੁੰਭੁ ਭਰਾਈਲੇ ਊਦਕ ਰਾਜ ਕੁਆਰਿ ਪੁਰੰਦਰੀਏ ॥ The young girl in the city takes a pitcher, and fills it with water. ਹਸਤ ਬਿਨੋਦ ਬੀਚਾਰ ਕਰਤੀ ਹੈ ਚੀਤੁ ਸੁ ਗਾਗਰਿ ਰਾਖੀਅਲੇ ॥੨॥ She laughs, and plays, and talks with her friends, but she keeps her attention focused on the pitcher of water. ||2|| ਮੰਦਰੁ ਏਕੁ ਦੁਆਰ ਦਸ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਗਊ ਚਰਾਵਨ ਛਾਡੀਅਲੇ ॥ The cow is let loose, out of the mansion of the ten gates, to graze in the field. ਪਾਂਚ ਕੋਸ ਪਰ ਗਊ ਚਰਾਵਤ ਚੀਤੁ ਸੁ ਬਛਰਾ ਰਾਖੀਅਲੇ ॥੩॥ It grazes up to five miles away, but keeps its attention focused on its calf. ||3|| ਕਹਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਤਿਲੋਚਨ ਬਾਲਕੁ ਪਾਲਨ ਪਉਢੀਅਲੇ ॥ Says Naam Dayv, listen, O Trilochan: the child is laid down in the cradle. ਅੰਤਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਕਾਜ ਬਿਰੂਧੀ ਚੀਤੁ ਸੁ ਬਾਰਿਕ ਰਾਖੀਅਲੇ ॥੪॥੧॥ Its mother is at work, inside and outside, but she holds her child in her thoughts. ||4||1||

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh !! In Eternal Respect, Love, Honour and Homage to Baba Ajit Singh Ji , Baba Jujhaar Singh Ji , Baba Zorawar Singh Ji and Baba Fateh Singh Ji. Here are a collection of images and a ' Pracheen ' Jang-Nama by an unknown author - edited by Shamsher Singh Ashok from the original Puratan Manuscript. Early 19th Century Pahari watercolour from the workshop of Purkhu - Guru Gobind Singh Ji with the Four Princes - The Sahibzadas Guru Gobind Singh and The Sahibzadas - mid 19th Century watercolour Gilded Panels from Gurdwara Baba Atal Rai Sahib, Amritsar. Guru Gobind Singh Mata Ji and the Sahibzadas The Beloved Sahibzadas Frescoes from the walls of Gurdwara Baba Atal Rai Sahib , Amritsar Baba Sahib Ajit Singh Baba Sahib Jujhaar Singh Sahib Baba Zorawar Singh and Sahib Baba Fateh Singh Late 19th century - The four sons of Guru Gobind Singh Kirpal Singh paintings from the Central Sikh Museum, Amritsar Battle of Chamkaur - Sahib Baba Ajit Singh Sahib Baba Jujhaar Singh Sahib Baba Ajit Singh - Central Sikh Museum Amritsar Garhi Sahib - Chamkaur Sahib - site of the Battle of Chamkaur

~ Half Million Sri Mool Mantar Sahib Jaaps ~ Current Total ✿✿✿✿✿✿ ✿✿✿✿✿✿ Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Guru Roop Sangat Jeo, Some of you may remember the '1 Million Mool Mantar Sahib' thread that was started in GUPT section last year. The target was to collectively complete 1 Million Sri Mool Mantar Sahib Jaaps before Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharajs birthday, and with Guru Sahibs beant grace the seva was completed well before the set time! Now some SikhSangat members have requested a similar thread be started again, so with Ardaas in Guru Sahibs lotus feet for His kirpa, here we go! The aim this time is to recite 500,000 Sri Mool Mantar Sahibs in Sangat Roop for the chardi kalaa and unity of the Panth. So Sangat Jeo, lets all get together in this karaj and contribute whatever amounts of Jaap recitals we are blessed with. 1 or 3125 Jaaps a day, everything counts!! Perhaps you already know how this is going to work. Basically, SikhSangat sevadaars will be maintaining the counter you see on top of this post, and all you have to do is recite as many Sri Mool Mantar Sahibs as you can with Guru Sahibs Grace and post the count in this thread, simples! You can either use your existing member ID, or post as gupt if you prefer to be, well, gupt :happy: Sevadaars will then add your kamayee to the counter, and leave a note in your post to confirm that the Jaaps have been counted One benti, if you are posting as Gupt, it might take us some time before the posts are checked by the moderating team and approved. So, please wait a while after gupt posting your submission, rest assured it WILL appear in the thread, and counted! Thats it! Sangat Jeo, lets forget about all the controversies that divide us, lets sit united in the lotus feet of Sri Guru Sahib and do as much Jaap as we are blessed with! And, please inform your friends, relatives, societies that may wish to contribute to this wonderful karaj! :mushybounce: See this wonderful thread: Why Should We Recite Sri Mool Mantar Sahib Simar Simar Simar Sukh Paavoh!! Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi!!! Dhanvaad!!

Are you being a Sikh or taking sides? Take the side of your Guru for once.

Sukhdev Singh Ji you have posted the same message about 5 times which we have had to delete, please don't just copy the same post again and again. As for this hall, you are claiming this hall is to pay for the Gurdwara, really if you are encouraging activites such as drinking, meat eating, dirty music and partying, whats the point of preserving the Gurdwara anyway if you are turning people away from Maharaj?

This. Is the answer - Time to close this thread.

chaleeseh are not really Gurmat, i don't think its referred to in Gurbani, mostly these things are for saints or behangams who don't live a householder's live. you can have a challesa in anything (Ustad Zakir Hussain did this with his art of percussion) the philospohy behind it is similar to amritvela, 2.5 hours minimum daswand, rehras sahib in the evening, sangrand etc etc..it basically believed that you get bakhshish for doing this much hard penance for 40 days....if you go to keertan.org there is a katha by mahapursh sant jagjit singh harkowal about this its in the katha of jeevani sant javala singh about how muslim faqirs challenged babaji to a chaleesa

Press Release and Sangat Update Dudley, UK - 22 May 2011 www.SatkaarCampaign.blogspot.com Akal Takhat Sahib Jathedaar confirms 2006 Sandesh still applies Clarification on letter to Ramgarhia Sikh Temple, Birmingham Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! As the UK Sangat may be aware, 5 Singh Sahibaan (including Jathedaar of Akal Takhat Sahib, Singh Sahib Giani Gurbachan Singh Ji) were present in the UK in the last week. The UK Sangat took this opportunity to seek the support and encouragement of Akal Takhat Sahib's Jathedaar for the Satkaar Campaign. Sevadaars have been informed that the Jathedaar gave statements supporting the Satkaar Campaign in Derby on Saturday 14 May, in Gravesend on Sunday 15 May, in West Bromwich on Monday 16 May and in Central London at Central Gurwara (Khalsa Jatha) on Wednesday 18 May 2011. Importantly, the Jathedaar and his PA, Bhai Jaswinder Pal Singh Ji, confirmed that the 2006 Sandesh still applies in full force, and it is not superseded in any way by a letter from Akal Takhat Sahib to Ramgarhia Sikh Temple, Birmingham dated 31 March 2011. This letter is attached below: As the Sangat will see, this letter is very vague and it does not suggest that the 2006 Sandesh has been revoked. Unfortunately, we are aware that certain Gurdwara committees may be seeking to use this letter to continue justifying/re-starting their Manmat of permitting meat, alcohol, tobacco, parties and dancing on Gurdwara premises. We alluded to this letter in our Press Release of 5 May 2011, though as the Sangat will see, Bhai Jaswinder Pal Singh Ji (who is also the signatory of the letter to Ramgarhia Sikh Temple, Birmingham) clarifies beyond doubt that this letter does not undermine the 2006 Sandesh and that it still applies in full force, in the video below: Rather than seeking to find clever ways to justify having meat, alcohol, tobacco, parties and dancing on Gurdwara premises, we would once again humbly request the relevant offending Gurdwara committees to come within the Gurmat-fold. This also applies to the GNSS Dudley Gurdwara committee, where the UK Sangat is reminded of, and requested to attend on Saturday 28 May 2011 from 2pm, a peaceful protest against a meat and alcohol party being held at GNSS Dudley Gurdwara. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

This thing is very clear if we keep on fighting among our self there can never be chardikalla of panth. There will be place occasions when two jathebandis had to stand against each other when it comes to mareyada and this is where the seed of hatered is planted. When such situations come its better to look and enforce view point of Akal takth sahib then fighting. Like with sikh channel. If it shows pro abc jatha program the other jatha people declares it anti panthic and stops its financial help and vice verse. And there are many many situations like this. Thats why the need of hour according to me is full promotion of Akal Takth sahibs mareyada when their is a clash of mind sets. The thing which worries me often is after 20 - 30 years the youth today will be in command of panth and this youth dont have even 1% tolerance of going against the mareyada of its own jatha and if nothing is done right now the time when todays youth will be jathedars parcharaks etc it will be most difficult time for ekta of panth.

Added 2000 Sri Jaaps by Jaswinder Singh Bhai Sahib and his Singhni Ji + 500 others Tuhi Tuhi!

1013 please modnote: Dhanvaad Waheguru Jeo, jaaps added

Waheguru Ji added 2000 Jaaps by Jaswinder Singh Bhai Sahib and family Tuhi Tuhi! :waheguru:

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh please add 110 jaaps sewa:) modnote: Waheguru jeo dhanvaad, jaaps have been added

please add 460 :waheguru: Mod Note: Waheguru, jaaps added jeo

80 Modnote: Dhanvaad Waheguru Jeo, jaaps added

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji KI Fateh 160 :waheguru: Mod Note: Dhanvaad jeo, Jaaps have been added

Please add 1080 Guru kirpa Mod Note: Dhan Guru Dhan Gurupyaare Jaaps added jeo :waheguru:

Added 2000 by Jaswinder Singh Veerji and family + 500 other Jaaps :waheguru:

230 please :waheguru: Mod Note: Waheguru Jeo, jaaps have been added jeo

15 for now, will be adding more later great to have this thread back veerji :excited::glomp: Mod Note: Jaaps added phenjeo :heliglomp:

waheguru 108 but i did them just before reading this topic. Not sure if they shud be counted. Mod Note: :hug: Jaaps added veerjeo

R Veerjeo, its all Guru Sahibs doing jeo Nice to see that your still active! :happy: Added 108 more :waheguru:

20 Mod Note: Jaaps added Veerjeo

Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh Dhan Dhan Dhan Dhan Dhan Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj. Many thanks for restarting the jaap Bhai Prabhjot Singh Ji. Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh

:waheguru: 156 please Gurfateh:) Mod Note: Dhanvaad jeo, jaaps added!

600 And 13 sorry:) Mod Note: Jaaps added Guru Pyaareo

Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh Satguru ji sab te mehar di najar karan is ardas de naal benti Please add 2000 AUTO every day without any post from this side ( 1000 from Sangat da daas & 1000 from Singhni - also member of the Sikh sangat - bkb23 ) till the goal is achieved any additional will be added thru post NANAK NAAM CHARDI KALA TERE BHANE SARBAT DA BHALA FATEH Mod Note: Waheguru! Will be adding 2000 jaaps from your side everyday jeo! (added 2000 for today)

He still on a wheel chair is he,singhs blew his legs off lol back in the day

Pracheen Jang-Nama from 'Pracheen Vaaran Te Jang-Namey' - S Shamsher Singh Ashok - Sikh Itihaas Research Board SGPC - 1950 These Short films pay homage to the Shaheeds of Saka Chamkaur and Saka Sirhind. This first film is "Dassien Kalgi Waleya Ve" - Sung by Satwinder Bitti - lyrics - Kewal Singh Fauji Click link to see the clip; http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...30&hl=en-GB This Film is "Kalgidhar Panth Pyaare Da" - sung by Satwinder Bitti - It has beautiful lyrics by Charan Singh Safri - the line "Bijli payi Lishka mardi eh - Disdi paye Laash Jujhaar di " and the visual of 'Dekh ke Undith' is particularly heart rending. Click link to see the clip; http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...54&hl=en-GB This Video is of The Nabhe Vale Bibbiyan and Balwant Singh Premi - "Putran da Daniyan Dhan Kurbanyian" Click link to see the clip; http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...22&hl=en-GB Hope you enjoyed the post GurFateh ! Ranjit Singh 'Freed'

Devender Singh paintings - from Saka Chamkaur (published 1979) Ram Waeerker painting from the 'Amar Chitra Katha' 1970s comic 'Guru Gobind Singh' Gurdwara Pariwar Vicchora on the banks of the Sirsa - site of the separation of Guru Sahib from his family Devender Singh painting of the 'Thanda Burj' 1960s Calendar prints Devender Singh paintings from 'Nikkian Jindan Vadda Saka' - published 1977 Gurdwara Fatehgarh Sahib - site of the Shahidi of the Cchote Sahibzaday Interior Jor Mela - Fatehgarh Sahib