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ok singho...its 2 AM in India...amritvela...28 years ago this was when the dushts were getting ready to massacre innocent Sikhs... We've been joking enough, but lets not forget those who sacrificed themselves so we stay hass'de-vass'de in their memory...and to revive the jujhaaroo spirit of the Khalsa...wherever you are, no matter what part of this planet...respond to my jakaaraa... BOLAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NIIIIIIIIHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT SRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL SHAHEED BHAI BEANT SINGH JEE...JINDABAAAAAAADDDDD SHAHEED BHAI SATWANT SINGH JEE...JINDABAAAAAAADDDDD SHAHEED BHAI KEHER SINGH JEE...JINDABAAAAAAADDDDD

this is a chardikalaa thread. vaheguru vaheguru vaheguru

waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguruw aheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru

I guess all that Mahabharata talk didn't help things. :blush2: :biggrin2: Brother, let people talk shite all they want. You're more of a Sikh than the majority of born-Sikhs, and I'm not saying that to flatter you.

I always thought our Gurus taught us to be part of society and not shun the world. I disagree that Amish communities are anything we should model ourselves on. They reject the modern world and other communities, whereas we do not.

pellaa topping das kehdi aa...tera koi bharosa nai bakraa ee chattkaa ke paa deve utte... :lol2: ...pineapple, tomato hege aa te dass nai te khaaee ja kallaa :giggle:

This is too chardi-kalah thread, not sure if its sukha or gurmat naam liv from consciouness - i can see vahiguroo parkash coming from laptop, my deb dristhi is opening..oh vahiguroo i m going sachkhand man- going to eat pizza slice at sachkhand- anyone want one?

Sanjsingh is here!! Quick! Run!!!!!

I think everyones already had a few swigs of Sukha today!

changey bhaley harey bharey singh nu banjar jameen banaata!!! yaar eh billee metho duur rakho, ehna di qaum naal meri bachpan ton dushmani aa haan ...ohne hunn na puchheya ithe koi suaal...sago sochda hona chal manaa apa viah di registry ee kra lenne aa...je Gurdwaare vi idda de aage fer ho gya Anand Karajsorry sanjsingh bro

Panth Rattan Gyani Sant Singh Ji Maskeen when they were young

N30S1NGH paaji is viewing and must be thinking what a weird lot we are. N30S1NGH paaji da mou da expression:

franky nu chaa plaayi te indra ton toilet saaf kraayi

WaheguruWaheguruWaheguruWaheguruWaheguruWaheguruWaheguruWaheguruWaheguru

oh shadd yaar, bhull jaa, koi gall nii...simran kar...vaheguruvaheguruvaheguruvaheguruvaheguruvaheguruvaheguruvaheguruvaheguruvaheguruvaheguruvaheguru

The biggest problem with separating ourselves from the world is that we become insular. We lose touch with the rest of the world. There is a lot of good in Amish communities but I disagree with their rejection of technology. They are stuck in a bygone age and without the ability to adapt, they will die out. I remember a sakhi of Guru Ji where he went to two villages. The first were full of bad people and he "blessed" the village to stay. In the second, the village was full of good people and he "blessed" them to disperse. Bhai Mardana asked why he did this. By keeping the "bad" people together, he stopped them spreading their "badness" but by dispersing the good people, it would ensure goodness would spread. Like the fragrance of a flower. This is Sikhi. We should try to remain good and act as role models for others. We should help others who are needy. By remaining in isolation, we ignore the Guru's teachings and help no one. To remain like a lotus unblemished by the quagmire, we still need to sit in the quagmire.

Sare hi Shaheedan nu Pranaam!!!! :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect:

BOLAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NIIIIHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT SRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sri Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsaaaaaaaaaaaaa Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fatehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mittra, hatt'da tu vi nai tavey louno :D ...tu vi gall gall te jaroor panga lena hunda ...fer baakiya di gogdaan te comment maarke ohna nu ee gaalaan kaddi jaaniya LOL yaar ehnu mother dairy lehja fer, mere kol na aavi koi na, apa in person hath jorrke sorry keh deyange oye, tu apni gall kar...ehmi sanu apne naal na ralaaee ja theeka apa vi doabbiye aa, ihda ih matlab thori ki sab kush same aa

yaar tu ohdia philosophiaan ithe jaroor laike auniya si kisi de kehen naal ki ho jaana...idda te mere varga keh deve ki Gujarat ch earthquake esli aaya kyonki ohna nu chajj di angrejji bolni nai aayi

aaee meri billee aaee meow meow kardi bilee aaee bhukhee hai meree maano bilee. dudh mere ton mangan aaee

hahaha...lol.. :excited: :excited: Yeah someone give me some sukha and building to jump..i want to do sky base jumping and see if i could do mool mantar in super sonic speed while i m floating..lol...oh wait - while i m jumping wait shall i do up to gurparsad or up to nanak hosi bhi sach tak? oh crap..!!..hahahaha lol :excited: :excited: :excited:

LOL, tu naa baaj aayi chal simran kar :angry2: yaar ikk te simran ho riha naale tusi blame kari janndeo...hunn mai mind kar jaana dekh la

Eh Consciousness de kamm ahh! Hahaha!!

Can't tell if you are trying to pass this off as lardeevaar just to start another discussion or is sincerely writing lardeevaar in English because someone happens to be posting here. :nono:

waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru

oh balle, fer saddi bhaut banugi, sanu sharm ni aundi, te tusi tension bhauti lendeo, vah jee vah hunn suaad aauga yaari da...

Leh....bara Malwe da pehlvaan! :strong: :tongue2:

tension sadde khoon vich aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Nak vich mirchan padoo je hojoo pangaaaa GRRRRR

I think someone is in need of gurmat naam abyiaas. In fact everyone is in need of gurmat naam abyiaas it will keep everyone in chardikala :strong:

Heyyyyy, that copyrighted idea is mine!!!!!

You know what to do, Singh. Reel in the young boy with the music then... BOOM! Before you know it he joins the Khalsa and he's releasing his own kirtan CD on T-Series. You know it makes sense!

After marriage... Sunday morning... Bittoo: Jenni darling, get dressed, I have ironed your salwar kameez, we are running late for the Gurdwara. Jennifer: wait, I thought you were coming to church with me today? Bittoo: but honey, we talked about this remember? One Sunday church, one Sunday Gurdwara? Jennifer: yes but today I need to make a confession at church. Bittoo: but I want to get Ardas done for my new car. Jennifer: well, can’t you wait until next week? Bittoo: can’t you? Jennifer: ok this is getting nowhere… Bittoo: ummm-hmmmm… Jennifer: well you could pray for your car at the church as well, God is One, isn’t that what you’ve always said? Bittoo: I suppose… At church…at the end of the service Bittoo: JO BOLAYYYYYYY SOOOOOO NIHHAAAAAALLLLLLLL…………..SAAAAAAATTTT SRIIIII AKAAAAAAALLLLLLLL!!!!!

The Punjabi communist types who jump to attack Sikhs are silent when it comes to Hindus, Muslims, Christians and Jews who prohibit cross religion marriages. Today is the anniversary of one of the biggest massacres since the Jewish holocaust. Have the communist types done anything to get justice for them? Have they called in to Nihal and said this is one of the biggest crimes in the world? Do they remmeber that their communist colleagues took part in the genocide by forming death squads with the Police? They seem to be only self haters.

This is the problem. The ones who want a free for all with any Tom, <banned word filter activated> or Harry able to have an Anand Karaj at the Gurdwara want to point at those Sikhs who might be monay or drink and smoke are also allowed to have an Anand Karaj. The thing to consider is this-; 1. What is the likelihood that these monay who have an Anand Karaj will take to the Sikhi lifestyle in future and become Keshadhari and then Amritdhari? and 2. What is the likelihood that some gora or other non-Sikh will come to Sikhi because he was allowed to have an Anand Karaj against the teachings of Guru Gobind Singh as well as the Akal Takht? Are we willing to go against Guru Gobind Singh and Akal Takht in the hope that some non-Sikh will come to Sikhi? For me there is more chance of number 1 happening than number 2 and plus with number 1 we still adhere to the Guru's instructions.

So two Sikhs who smoke, drink etc are happily allowed to marry in a Gudwara but when a Sikh who wants to stay within his or her religion and wants to get the blessing of their Guru and their partner is happy to do the same we should push them away?

"Bittoo puttar, tenu Jennifer apni janaani de roop ch jachdi aa?".."Hanji Babaji"..."Jennifer, does you like the Bittoo for husband?"..."I do"..."changa fer matha teko".

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/oak-creek-police-officers-remember-day-of-sikh-temple-shooting-g47bt5k-176194591.html He is talking about his experience: http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid88099134001?bckey=AQ~~%2CAAAAAGgk8Us~%2CdLqgruaIT6qI15KYY1uLvbeqMH9A33oP&bctid=1924838384001 Oak Creek - The first shot hit him in the face, left side of his jaw, the 9mm bullet moving down, ripping through his larynx, bouncing off his spinal column and lodging in his right neck. He remembered his training - "in a high-risk incident I will survive." And he moved, even as 11 more bullets pierced his arms, hands, legs and the back of his head, even as three more bullets struck his protective vest, even as the gunman kept coming, firing at close range. When bullets, blood and terror came to the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin on that Sunday morning, Aug. 5, Oak Creek Police Lt. Brian Murphy would not give in. In the middle of a gun battle that raged for about two minutes, he found himself wedged beneath a car as the gunman reloaded. And he thought to himself: "I'm not going out like this. I'm not going out in a parking lot." His guys were on their way, led by veteran officer Sam Lenda, a marksman. His guys would end the terror. Three months later, after three operations, Murphy is recovering. His voice is a raspy whisper. His left thumb is wrapped in a bandage. A scar runs down the right side of his throat. Scars pockmark his arms and legs. Two bullets remain in his body, along with shrapnel. Murphy faces another round of surgeries next month to repair his vocal cords and his thumb. Six Sikh worshippers were killed in the rampage. Three worshippers were wounded, including two who were hospitalized. The gunman, Wade Michael Page, a white supremacist, killed himself after he was hit by a rifle shot. It was Lenda who brought him down. Last week, Murphy and Lenda sat for interviews with the Journal Sentinel inside a conference room at the Oak Creek Police Department headquarters. With clarity and conviction, they discussed the attack and its aftermath. Murphy, 51, has red hair, green eyes, and an easygoing charm. Born and raised in New York, he still carries a thick Brooklyn accent. He comes from a line of police officers. His brother recently retired from the New York Police Department. His grandfather was an NYPD captain. Murphy served five years in the U.S. Marines from 1980 to 1985, including one year on embassy duty in Afghanistan. He was on the security force at the United Nations for five years. A friend persuaded him to come to Wisconsin. He worked one year as a deputy in the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department and joined the Oak Creek force in April 1991. Lenda, 55, has a crew cut and mustache. A native of South Milwaukee, he has a crisp, authoritative voice and manner. He has been on the Oak Creek force for 33 years and is due to retire in 18 months. Others have called them heroes for their actions that day. But the word hero sits uneasily with these men. "I'm just doing my job," Murphy says. "My entire adult life has been based on working in a situation that can at times become uncontrollable and chaotic. But the training I've been provided has always set me up to work very positively and to do the right thing without thinking." The day that changed his life, and the lives of so many others, began routinely. Up at 6 a.m., a quick shower and breakfast, out the door and ready for roll call at 7. First shift, seven officers on patrol. Murphy wasn't supposed to be at work. But he took the shift so a sergeant could attend his son's graduation from boot camp. "It was a beautiful Sunday morning, the kind that you hope for," Murphy says. The start of the day was simple. A training video, paperwork, and finally Murphy went on the road in his squad, a Chevy Tahoe. Just before 10:30 a.m., the first calls came in - something terrible at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, 7512 S. Howell Ave. In those first frantic moments, no one outside the temple knew what was happening. A gunman was on the loose, bent on murder, spilling blood in the temple parking lot and inside a place of worship. Murphy was driving westbound on Puetz Road, approaching Howell Ave., about 12 blocks from the temple. He activated his emergency lights and raced to the scene. "Well, you have a few things going through your head," he says. "One, I knew I had seven of us working. I knew there would be a good response. I know everybody on the team. There wasn't a whole lot of direction needed to get the response that was going to be needed. When I heard where everyone was coming from, I knew I would be the first on the scene." He pulled into the parking lot and saw two men lying on the ground. He got out of his vehicle, walked over to check on them. He knew that at least one was dead. And then, suddenly, he saw someone come out of the temple, running. Murphy held his .45-caliber service revolver. "As soon as I looked over, it was obvious to see that this more than likely had to be the guy, just by his dress (black pants, white shirt)," he says. "And the fact he had a holster on his hip, kind of the giveaway. At that point, I drew down on him and told him, 'police.' I identified myself and told him to stop." They were 30 yards apart. Both men fired. "That's when he hit me in the face," Murphy says. He went for cover, diving by a car. He had always been told that being shot was like being hit with a sledgehammer. Now he knew. The gunman outflanked Murphy. Even now, it's something Murphy regrets. He thought the gunman would come straight at him, but, instead, he wheeled around. The second shot hit Murphy's left thumb. "I would love to tell you some religious aspect, but my initial thought was, 'that's going to leave a mark,' " Murphy says. "I know it sounds stupid and nobody buys it, but I just looked and thought, 'ooh.' " "Another shot hit, and it's probably at that point that I dropped my gun," he says. "One of the things we're taught to do is to minimize yourself, give the least opportunity that you can to other people," Murphy says. "He continued to shoot. He walked around. I could see him. He had hit me at that point in the upper arms. And once I got under the car, he had stopped to reload." For a few seconds, Murphy says it was quiet, warm and cozy. He thought of his wife, Ann. They got married in June 2011 and never took a honeymoon. They had tickets tucked away for a trip to the Florida Keys. And he thought: That trip isn't going to happen so soon. The two men didn't speak. The gunman, Murphy says, was businesslike, deadpan. "He didn't look enraged," Murphy says. "He didn't look anything other than very comfortable in what he was doing." Murphy went for his squad vehicle and his rifle, crawling to get there. The gunman, just 10 feet away, went after Murphy. "That's when he shot me in the back of the head, shot me in the back of the arm, shot in the other leg," Murphy says. "And at this point, I had actually thought, when is enough enough? I mean, you hit me. And it would have had to have been apparent to him that he hit me that many times. That's all I thought to myself, 'oh, come on, that's enough.' " In the distance, he heard the other squad cars. Closer, he heard the sound of his police radio. And then, he heard the first rifle shot. Inspiration from book It was in July when Sam Lenda's mechanic called him over to the garage. The mechanic's dad, a Marine veteran, wanted to give Lenda two books. One was "Flags of Our Fathers," about the men who raised the flag over Iwo Jima. The other was "Lone Survivor," written by Marcus Luttrell. Of four Navy SEALS who went on a harrowing mission in July 2005 in Afghanistan, only Luttrell survived the ambush. Lenda read every night, inspired by the books and also a little awed, especially by "Lone Survivor." "I remember going to bed thinking if I ever got into the gunfight of my life, when the bullets are flying and my brothers are going down, would I rise to their level or would I coward out?" Lenda says. "And that's the last thought I had on Saturday night, because I just finished reading the book." The next morning, Aug. 5, he reported for work. "Ordinary day, beautiful day," he says. Roll call at 7. Lenda was in a rush. He had to view the training video and get to a nearby Kohl's department store by 7:30 a.m. to take a report. He realized he had forgotten to pack his SWAT gear. After that, he was dispatched to a local hotel. "Two transvestites were fighting in a parking lot," he says. And then, another call came in. There was trouble at the Sikh Temple. "I'm thinking, I'm going to a gunfight and I don't have my (expletive) with me," Lenda says. He raced to the temple, aiming his vehicle across a median, and looked for the lights of Murphy's vehicle. But he couldn't see them. "A guy is walking toward me in the parking lot," Lenda says. "What is he doing? What is he doing?" As he talks, Lenda makes a motion with his hand, like someone is waving at him. The man in the parking lot was the gunman, Page. He wasn't waving. "He was shooting at me," Lenda says, moving his arm one way. And then, moving his arm the other way, Lenda says, "He was shooting at Brian." Lenda says he could not believe what he was seeing and radioed in, "That guy in the parking lot, he's walking toward me." Lenda backed up his squad and at the same time pushed buttons to release the lock on an assault rifle, an AR-15 that was set between the front seats of the vehicle. "Oh, he was aggressive," Lenda says. "He's coming. Once he tracked on me and just as he started focusing on me, he was marching toward me, he was coming at me." "You don't march and you don't reload on the march unless you've been trained," Lenda says. "I'm thinking this guy knows what he's doing. He has a white shirt and black pants. He's reloading. He's reloading." Lenda wasn't panicked. He's a trainer with decades of SWAT experience. He knew what to do: press the advantage, turn the hunter into the hunted. "You want to one-up. He has a handgun, you take a rifle," Lenda says. "He has a rifle, you take a howitzer. That's what we're trained to do." Lenda moved the squad vehicle forward again, to the crest of the hill, set up with his rifle behind the door of his vehicle, and ordered Page to drop his gun. Page kept firing. One of the shots hit the windshield of Lenda's vehicle, shards of glass flying into his face. "I thought, this stings more than when I ride my motorcycle in the rain," Lenda says. "I remember tracking him. I kept shooting as he was moving." Page was 60 yards away. Lenda says he was intent on stopping him: "This guy can't leave the parking lot, nor can he get back in the church." Lenda fired six rounds from his rifle; the second or third shot put Page down with a bullet to the abdomen. Page scrambled out of sight and pulled the trigger of his gun. Lenda and the other officers who arrived on the scene still pressed the attack. They heard a gunshot, but hadn't seen the result. Finally, they saw the gunman, who was dead. Lenda came up to Page, kicked the gun away, and then raced over to Murphy. "After I found Brian, you know what popped into my head, the chapter in the book I had just read," Lenda says. Chapter 8 of "Lone Survivor" was titled "The Final Battle for Murphy's Ridge." The officer-down rescue began. Officers Mike Schultz and Kelly Rommel moved Murphy into a squad car. Lenda flagged down two ambulances, and Murphy was loaded into one and whisked off to Froedtert Hospital in Wauwatosa. He was calm, controlling his breathing. All he requested was that they have a little something at the hospital to control his pain. Murphy has no memory of the surgery. It took 12 hours. But he remembers waking up, seeing his wife, brother and brother-in-law. He knew he was going to be fine. He was in intensive care for three days, moved to another room, and then was up and walking, only steps at the start. He had a tracheal tube for four weeks and used a feeding tube for six weeks. He was released from the hospital Aug. 22. Murphy's days are now measured in physical therapy appointments and small moments with his wife and two stepchildren. His older daughter lives in South Korea, where she teaches English. But she'll be coming home soon. He has so much to be thankful for: his life, his family, new bonds forged with the worshippers at the Sikh Temple and bonds that have grown even stronger with the Oak Creek police force and the wider city. "I went over to the Sikh Temple to pay my respects," Murphy says. "They visited me in the hospital. They have been supportive throughout. They've lost members. Again, how many people are affected? We always say there are six deceased. How many family members are affected? How far does it go? I feel horrible for the six. That's the part I'm sorry about." He's on leave but wants to get back to work. "People always ask me, do you flash back, do you have nightmares," Murphy says. "My answer is no. I have none of that. I'm lucky and I touch wood. I'm very fortunate that way. But what I do look back at is what I could have done different. I have always been a big proponent, no reason to go over 70 miles an hour. You put others at risk. But if I could have gone 100, could I have stopped him from shooting just one other person?" "I apologized to the Sikh Temple for not getting there sooner," he says. "I apologized to my wife for putting her through all of this. You know, how much stress can you get, having to go through something like this? I apologized to my children." "And I do feel bad that at some point, you think, how did I let him (the gunman) outflank me?" Murphy says. "That's what I'm sorry about." Lenda has no regrets. Yet he has changed. "I now spend more time listening to people," Lenda says. "After 33 years you've probably heard most of the stories out there, most of the excuses. Now, I'll spend time with people. To me, minutes are more precious than before. I look at how important time is." Lenda thinks of Murphy and the wounds he received. And he appreciates the thanks that Murphy gave him when he visited the hospital. "I knew if Sam was behind a gun, it was going to end," Murphy says. Questions left Even as the men explain what happened that day, they are left with as many questions as answers. Milliseconds counted. Fate played a role, too. Why Murphy? Why Lenda? Had Lenda packed his SWAT gear, he would have gone to the back of his car and taken out the vest and the rifle, losing 15 seconds. Decisions were made on the fly. But training guided Oak Creek's officers. Overshadowing everything, though, were the losses, worshippers killed on a beautiful Sunday morning. And there is also one last mystery at the heart of this tragedy. Why did Murphy live? Most of the gunshots came from close range, striking him 12 times in his body, and another three in his protective vest. "I didn't give him anything back," he says. "I didn't yell in pain. I'm not giving you anything. While it might be very self-serving and egotistical, I wonder if there was not some part of him that thought, I don't want to get too close because he's not stopping. No matter how much I shoot him, he's not stopping. And maybe that just held him off enough . . . before Sam could get there. You know what I mean?" "I don't know the answer," Murphy says. "Nobody knows the answer. It could be purely divine intervention that said every bullet is going to miss an important piece of you."

From their facebook page: Sikhs Beware (Part 1) For the last several months India has been working hard to provoke, incite, delegitimize and dehumanize the Sikh Nation. Though this behavior is nothing new, it’s the intensity that has amplified many folds. All this started after the Bhai Rajoanna issue and the consequences may be dire for our sisters and brothers living in occupied Punjab. Parkash Badal knew executing Professor Bhullar and Bhai Rajoanna wouldn’t be easy, that’s why he promoted the notorious killer Sumedh Saini to DGP. It was believed that his reputation for torture, rape and murder would scare anyone in Punjab who thought about demonstrating against these acts of state murder. The Indians decided to execute Professor Bhullar first because his case was more difficult. For Professor Bhullar has been stating he was innocent, the Indians “convicted” him based on a law they recognize as illegal and is no longer enforced, yet was brought back only for him. No witnesses or evidence was used against Bhullar besides his own confession which he stated the Indians obtained through torture. When the Sikh Nation abroad raised this issue at the international level in western countries and all of Punjab with horror at this potential act of murder, the Indians started to worry. They decided not to go ahead with his execution, because this act would be a disaster for them on the international level and they didn't want to appear to be in the wrong. Plus they had Bhai Rajoanna, his guilt was clear to everyone, he openly confessed. But before Rajoanna’s case came forward, news broke that the Indians were planning on releasing Kishori Lal the butcher of Trilokpuri from jail. Lal had been found guilty of physically murdering innocent Sikhs during the 1984 Sikh Genocide. He had been sentenced to death over 4 times, yet every time the Indian Supreme court would overturn that decision and give him life in jail. It’s extremely rare for anyone to be punished for exterminating Sikhs during the 1984 Genocide, let alone be life in jail. But the Indian court system said this man was no longer a threat to other ‘Indians’ so he should be set free. When this news spread within the Sikh Nation, people were shocked at the lack of sensitivity shown by India. On the one hand they had a man who physically murdered so many innocent Sikhs with his bare hands. He earned the name “the butcher of Trilokpuri”, on the other they have a man who has been claiming his innocence since day 1, no evidence exists against him and he was sent to death on a law that is illegal, how is that fair? So India quietly decided not to go through with his release. But India still wanted to send a clear message to the Sikh Nation and Bhai Rajoanna was the man to send it through. Though Rajoanna has physically not murdered anyone, he was involved in the conspiracy to murder the then PM of Punjab, and seeing has how he openly confesses to his crime, his execution shouldn’t be a problem and India could show the world that Sikhs are indeed ‘terrorists’. But it is at this point the reality in Punjab changed. All of a sudden, every Sikh in Punjab and outside of Punjab came out in numbers not seen since the 80s. This was because every young Sikh now living in Punjab knew that the only reason why they had survived the late 90s was because the Butcher Beant didn’t get to fully execute his plan. And who was one of the person responsible for stopping the Butcher Beant, Bhai Rajoanna. But the issue isn’t that the Sikhs were able to stop Bhai Rajoanna’s execution, no, the real issue is the level, organization and dedication shown by the average Sikh in and outside of Punjab. India doesn’t fear armed rebellions, there are currently a dozen armed struggle for independence happening as I talk within India. India’s BIGGEST fear is a united civil movement for independence, the kind witnessed in Egypt. The Indians quickly sent in the army and the paramilitary, there were roadblocks every mile, the big bad Sumedh Saini couldn’t stop it, no one knew what to do, but more importantly no one knew how this had happened. India was left with no option but to stop the execution of Bhai Rajoanna. Though this was a victory for us, it was an eye opener for all the Indian agencies like RAW, IB and the notorious 3rd Agency. Had Rajoanna asked the youth to occupy a place in Punjab till Punjab was liberated, it would have been impossible for them to kill everyone so openly. Red flags were going up everywhere and it was decided something had to be done to stop us, to delegitimize and dehumanize us, to provoke and incite us to violence so that we do not take the peaceful route to independence. India's Quick Tricks (Part 2) During the next few months the Indians planned different ways to stop the Sikh Nation, though we have no direct access to the plans, some information has come to us from concerned individuals who do have access. We gave these brave souls our guarantees that we would not reveal their identities. The first act was to send two criminals responsible for human rights vi olations and acts of genocide against the Sikhs to the Olympic Games in London, Jagdish Tytler and KP Gill. It was a small thing to do, but it would have a great affect at further victimizing the UK Sikhs. All Sikh organizations from across the globe objected to this. The Indians learnt that criminal cases may be prepared against both Tytler and Gill and it was agreed that the risk was too high. So they publically declared both criminals would not be going. But the Indians still wanted to send message to the Sikhs. So one day before, the Indians announced to the world that they would be sending Amitabh Bachchan to carry the Olympic torch on behalf of India. They knew that if they announced this disgusting act the day before, Sikh organizations wouldn’t have enough time to prepare as they did for Tytler and Gill. And so, the man who incited the 1984 Sikh Genocide entered England as an honorary guest and carried the torch around London as a hero. Before they could implement another plan, the Wisconsin terrorist attack happened on a Gurdwara. Public sympathy for Sikhs started flowing in from all across the world, especially America. The Indian action plan was to stop this as best as possible, so they paid for fake demonstrations to be done outside the American Embassy in India. At most there were a few dozen people, yet through their diplomatic and corporate connections, the mainstream western media was made aware of it. So when someone was reporting Sikhs as victims of terror it was offset by images of paid Indians looking like Sikhs burning the US flag. Within days of this horrible act of terror, Parkash Badal believed he could go to America (on the pretext of attending his friend’s daughter’s wedding) and subdue the awareness campaign spreading like wildfire in North America. His son, Sukhbir Badal, was dispatched to the UK first then he was to go to Canada. The plan was very simple, go to each of the major cities in North America and the EU where Sikhs have settled. Once there, identify the different gurdwara committee members. Once they knew who was running the gurdwaras, they would target them through different subversive tactics. The end goal was to immediately stop all discussion about the events of 1984 and the demand for justice. The Badals have a very good track record on subverting Sikhs and it was believed this plan would finally put an end to the ‘Sikh problem’. But unfortunately for them, the Sikh community was prepared for this contingency. We (Sikhs for Justice) received information from our contact some time before Badal’s visit and were able to prepare a civil case against him for ordering and protecting those who committed acts of torture, rape and murder. We also prepared a case against Sukhbir Badal in Canada, but after seeing his father being served, he was advised not to come. Frustrated, the Indians then planned to create an environment in which the Sikhs in Punjab would attack Bihari laborers on a mass scale leading to a mass exodus, similar to what’s happening in the North West of India and Mumbai. If this was to happen, the Sikhs would be presented to the world as hateful racists attacking innocent laborers. So the Indians paid some random Biharries, got them drunk and incited them to attack a gurdwara. To the shock of the agencies, before they could incite the Sikhs, a random person walked into the Police state where the criminals were being held and shot the Bihari responsible for the crime. This single act brought closer for most Sikhs and it was clear this plan had failed. Since then the Indians have been trying to get another Bihari to attack another Gurudwara. It’s only a matter of time before they find someone desperate enough to do it. When it happens, we must do our utmost to counter the attempts made by the Indians to incite Sikhs on a mass scale. Fearing that the sympathy for Sikhs might solidify, the Indians became so desperate that they decided to issue “non-bailable” arrest warrants for 5 men who were involved in hijacking an Air India plane to Pakistan in 1981. All had already been convicted and served their time in jail, in Pakistan. But India needed a headline for the world media and their diplomatic missions needed something serious to give to their counterparts. The stupidity of this action speaks for itself. Overlooking the fact that this is double jeopardy, the Sikh Nation was once again wondering how India was able to charge 5 Sikhs for an act that happened in 31 years ago in which no one was injured, yet unable to find the organizers of the 1984 Sikh Genocide in which over 30 000 Sikhs were exterminated across India. And more to the point, why is it when Indians hijacked a plane in 1978 to object Indira Gandhi’s arrest, Bholanath and Devendra Pandey, they were rewarded Congress Party candidacies? One even went on to become a Party General Security. Devendra Pandey is still involved in the Congress Party, neither was ever charged or served any time. India's Design Executed - Part 3 September, the Indians had finalized a strategy to delegitimize Sikhs living abroad and within India. They first got the Indian Overseas Congress president, Vikram Bajwa, to make wild accusations against the Sikhs living in Canada, US, UK and EU. They then gave his statements national coverage through their news media, hoping the international papers may pick them up. When the Canadian Foreign Minister arrived in India, they bombarded him with the accusations made by Vikram Bajwa. Confused and fearing losing billions in financial agreements, the Canadian Diplomat politely agreed with his hosts to investigate their accusations. The Indians emphasized the danger posed by the internet and all the different material being put on there by different organizations. They claimed that organizations posing as Human Rights Activists are in fact ‘terrorist’ organizations. But they kept coming back to this idea that somehow the Sikhs in Punjab are being ‘radicalized’ by the content on the internet, being posted by Sikhs living abroad. To prove their point, they targeted Sikh Organization for Prisoners Welfare (SOPW), a UK based organization. The Indians claimed that this organization was promoting terrorism and somehow radicalizing the youth. They then targeted Akali Dal Panch Pardhani and arrested Kulbir Singh Barapind and Daljit Singh Bittu. They told their Canadian, American, UK and EU counter parts to investigate money transfers to any of these organizations or individuals as these funds have been used for ‘terror related activities’. The case against Bhai Bittue and Bhai Barapind is beyond belief. They were first arrested as an act of preventing their participation in the ‘India Bandh’ being organized by Indian political parties, even though their political party had never declared they would participate in this shutdown of India. Then it was said they were arrested for possession of RDX (expolives) and possession of seditions material. But soon the Indian Police admitted that no RDX was found and that the ‘seditions material’ was readily available on most corner shops in India. So then they said these two were going to revive ‘terrorism’ in Punjab. That they had unearthed a plan hatched by them to target and murder some Indian ‘godman’. One article even said Bhai Bittu was part of the Naxalite movement. And the drama still continues to today. But India overlooked a big problem, Kulbir Singh Barapind had been extradited to India from the US to face criminal charges. Barapind was able to prove his innocence and was found not guilty. To get Barapind to India, the Indians had given guarantees to the United States that they would not torture Barapind. But on his first court appearance, Barapind made serious accusations against the Indian Police of torture. And as a result of international outcry from Sikh organizations Human Rights Watch became involved and now it’s a very confusing / messy situation. But in the meantime, India is pushing hard for Western countries to ban Akali Dal Panch Pardhani and label it a terrorist organization. Then all of a suddan an alleged attack happened on Kuldip Brar, one of the men who commanded the invasion of Harmandir Sahib. Was it a RAW operation or just some average guys who saw a war criminal walking down the street and decided to take action? At this point in time as I write this article, little is known, but one thing is clear, the Indians have milked this incident as much as possible. Through this one act, the Indians are now trying their utmost to stop the Shaheedi Memorial being constructed within Harmandir Sahib for Sant Jarnail Singh and all those Sikhs who attained martyrdom defending Akal Takhat. The Indians are so scared by this memorial because it shatters all their efforts to demonize Sant Jarnail Singh Ji. For the last 34 years, since 1978, the Indians have tried to present him as an ‘extremist’, a ‘fanatic’ and a ‘terrorist’. But these lies have little effect on Sikhs, as most knew him or saw his speeches (live or on the net) or have family members who knew him. Non-Sikhs however accept these stories unquestionably. They have no direct access to the truth and most people are too busy in their own lives to really bother with truth. It was believed that over time 10, 20 heck 50 or even 100 years later, eventually, the Indians will succeed at rewriting history and future generations of Sikhs will accept the revisionist history of India. But if this Shaheedi Memorial is constructed, then they will fail. For as long as Harmandir Sahib stands, the Shaheedi Memorial rial will educate Sikhs for generation to come about what the Indian government did. Brar is even more horrified, he will go down in Sikh history as one of the men responsible for invading Harmandir Sahib and murdering countless innocent Sikhs. So today we see unprecedented attention being given to the Shaheedi Memorial, the Indians are hell bent on stopping it. Some have suggested they may even use violence to stop its construction. While raising the issue of Brar the Indians, who are still trying to find ‘Sikh Terrorists’, arrested Sukhwinder Singh Sukhi a police informant who once infiltrated Sikh organizations. Sukhi is what’s labeled a ‘Cat’, a man who works with the Indian Police but pretends to be a Sikh freedom fight. These are the people many Punjabis hold responsible for crimes attributed to the Sikh freedom fighters. By arresting Sukhi, the Indian Police have arrested a state asset, but they arrested him only for the purpose of highlighting the ‘rise in Sikh extremism’ to Western Nations. The Indians haven’t given up on their plan to portray Sikhs as hate filled racists. Recently a story broke that someone using a fake account pretending to be an Ahmadiyya Muslims and attempted to defile Guru Nanak Dev and other Sikh Gurus. This story was covered by the Times of India, how its news worthy is beyond comprehension. If one is to go on any Anti-Sikh page, there is tons of disrespectful stuff written. Plus majority of the Sikhs didn’t even know this happened, but the news agencies knew all about it and were told to highlight it. The reasoning behind this is clear, they wish for Sikhs to react possibly in a similar way to how people protested against the Anti-Muslim film uploaded on Youtube. Our source did tell us that there are suggestions to make a film against Sikh Gurus, but to his knowledge nothing had been made thus far. Just a few days ago, it was reported that the ‘Butcher of Trilokpuri’, Kishori Lal was once again given approval for release. Why would he be given approval again is clear, they want to create and we must not fall into the Indian trap Path to Victory (Part 4) As the details regarding India’s new operation to delegitimize, dehumanize, provoke and incite the Sikh Nation are still trickling out, we understand that there will be a lot more actions taken. But as a people we must strategize on our goals as well. And to do this, we must first learn from the past. It is important for us to understand why 1984 really happened. Most Sikhs know the truth about ‘what’ happened (though many non-Sikhs do not), but very few remember why it happened. The organized murder of Sikhs through the invasion of Harmandir Sahib and over 40 other Gurdwaras happened for two reasons. Firstly, it was to punish the Sikhs collectively so that they would be so psychologically traumatized that they would never think about resisting Indians dominance again. Indira Gandhi had been itching to use the army since Mehta Chowk. She believed that by using the army and its heavy weaponry, like tanks, the Sikhs could be intimidated into submission. So when she asked for 10 tanks to be sent to Mehta Chowk (where Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale was staying), she believed finally Sikhs would be taught a lesson. But to her shock, the army commander, Lt General Sinha a greatly respected man who later refused to lead India’s invasion into Harmander Sahib, refused her order and demanded an explanation as to why tanks were needed to arrest a civilian. Having no answer Indira cancelled her order, only to use the tanks on a later date. The second reason is MUCH more important. On June 3rd 1984, the Sikh civil disobedience struggle was to enter its final stage. I say final because if it had been allowed to continue peacefully, India would have either capitulate to our demands or Punjab would be an independent country today. The final stage of our civil disobedience struggle involved two actions. The first act was for Sikhs to stop selling all their produce to India. As it is, Punjab produces 60% of the wheat and 40% of the rise consumed by India. Had the Sikhs refused to sell their produce, within days, max weeks, India would be at the verge of starvation / collapse. Second act was to stop paying all taxes to India. As Punjab was India’s richest province, we contribute more than 30% of all tax revenue collected by the center government. This final stage horrified the rulers of India. Had the Sikhs gone through with it, India would disintegrate within weeks. Imagine the chaos in India if over 60% of its people couldn’t eat. Some say Indians already don’t have enough food, but what if the little they had was reduced by 60%? And to top it off losing 30% of all revenue collected by India, the Indians wouldn’t be able to purchase the shortfall on the open markets. Plus the legitimacy of Sant Jarnail Singh would be crystal clear to the international community as the true leader for the people of Punjab. India would no longer have any legal right to govern the indigenes people of Punjab. Or the Indians could have given in to all our political demands. The demands in themselves were not extravagant, but the ruling class realized if the Anandpur Resolutions were implemented, their tyranny would come to an end. No longer would the central government have dictatorial powers to dismiss elected governments or implement policies they wanted. Rather the local states would have the freedom to govern over all provincial level issues, similar to how Canada, UK and America is governed. So before this final stage could be executed, the Indians decided it would be safer just to exterminate as many Sikhs as possible and all those who were advocating for the Anandpur Resolution. The Indians spent the next 10 to 15 years executing any Sikh and every Sikh who they believed did not accept their dominance, all under the pretext of ‘fighting terrorism’. Yes brave Sikhs tried to defend innocent civilians from the Indian Police and Army, but simple farmers are no match for trained armies who have the resources of nation to fund and equip them. This is why the Indians wish to provoke, incite, dehumanize and delegitimize us. They had truly believed the spirit of resistance had been extinguished in Sikhs. They had spent the 80s and 90s torturing, raping and murdering over 250 000 Sikhs. The youth born in the late 80s or early 90s were all deliberately addicted to alcohol and drugs. How could they possibly have enough courage or vision to once again demand representative democratic self-governance? But the Bhai Rajoanna demonstrations changed all this! And the Indians now know that it is only a matter of time before the final stage of the civil disobedience movement envisioned by our Saheed brothers and sisters is fulfilled by this generation. This is why they are aiming their guns at us and this is why we must stay ever vigilant and not fall into the Indian trap. We as a nation must once again work towards organizing ourselves at the grass roots level in Punjab. Every village must be reached, chapters must be open, and everyone must be educated about the truth. Our goal as a nation MUST be to complete the final stage of the civil disobedience movement. Only through peaceful civil acts of disobedience will we attain freedom!!

Conversations on 1984 - Sikh Panel on Thursday November 1 This Thursday November 1st from 1:30pm - 3:00pm (Standard Pacific Time) [uK time 8.30-10pm] Swaraj Radio will be hosting a panel discussion including representatives from various organizations around the world. The Panel titled ‘Conversations on 1984’ will discuss the 1984 genocide and how it relates to the present condition of Sikhs. Here is a list of the Panel Guests that will be participating in this discussion: Harinder Singh – Sikh Research Institute - Director( USA) Parmjit Singh Gazi – Sikh Students Federation - President (Punjab - India) Moninder Singh – Canadian Sikh Coalition – Director ( Vancouver – Canada) Jatinder Singh – Sikhs for Justice – Director (Toronto – Canada) Devinderjit Singh – Sikh Federation UK - Advisor (United Kingdom) Moderator ( Bali Kaur Deol) To listen live please visit www.swarajradio.com

So called self proclaimed Sikh view regarding hurricane sandy: Then the actual Christian view regarding Hurricane sandy from CNN: I cannot help but to see in shock how both of the views are similar and are influenced by protestant thought. Even surprising to see, how so called sikh mindset are so evidently influenced by protestant version of wrathful Vahiguroo..that they don't even realize it..!! Wake up khalsa ji, realize this subtle but dangerous missionary mindset threat in sikhi, soon it be acceptable to carry sri guru granth sahib ji like christian carry their holy bible....!!

His response is hilarious, why doesn't he name the people when according to him the 'fraud' has been exposed. The above could easily be a self description of himself!

It comes in Naank prakash katha that Akal Purakh himself dig the sarovar, where Har Ki Pauri is situated these days. Sarovars have nothing to do with teerath ishnaans. It is the water which has the significance. Our santhiya teacher( student of sant gurbachan singh ji) explains that water is such an element which absorbs all the vibrations and energy. It is just simple water, which becomes amrit after reading of Baanis. At Harmandir sahib, keertan is done throughout the day which affects the water that is why it is called amrit sarovar. That is why Guru Arjan Dev Ji created amrit sarovar. If it was of no use Guru ji would not have created it, coz Guru Ji never wanted Sikhs to fall in traps of Brahmins at various teeraths, so Guru Ji created our own teerath for us. Sant Jarnail Singh never missed the amrit vela ishnaan at Harmandir Sahib. Theres a sakhi related to it. When Sant Ji surrendered himself, two Singhs accompanied him to Jail. Sant Ji said to them that we are not going to miss the amrit vela ishnan at darbaar sahib, Singhs did not took it seriously. Whn the singhs woke up at amrit vela Sant ji was not there in the jail. They shouted and called policemen and asked if they had done something to Sant ji , but the policemen instead said that they both have helped Sant ji to escape. When it was around ten o clock in the morning, Sant Jarnail Singh was seen coming to the jail from the entrance gate. Everyone asked that where he was. He replied that i told you before that i m not going to miss the amrit vela ishnaan at Harmandir Sahib. The policemen said that these 4 walls are not capable of keeping you imprisioned, there is no such jail which can imprison you, you are great, and after few days only they released Sant Ji. There was also a person who had cancer and came to sant ji, he was not able to move even. Sant ji sent a singh with him and told him to constantly pour amrit sarovar's jal into his head and do sukhmani sahibs path and his cancer was cured. Theres a recent case where a girl got his eyesight back after doing ishnaan in the sarovar. you can even see the video at youtube So it all depends on one's sharda. If we no sharda and just taking a dip in sarovar coz everyone else is. that might be of no use. But i have personal experience with this. whenever i do Ishnaan at amrit sarovar, it feels as if a lot of burden has been lifted off me. Even when i m not feeling physically well, i get relief by taking bath at amrit sarovar.

Amazing work by Seva84. Everyone should support this project regardless who you are or affiliated with. Remember every single dollar counts.

amazing website for sant baba nand singh maharaj - http://www.babanandsinghsahib.org/

On another note, here is a picture from this morning at my workplace. Lesson learn: after every storm, there comes a cool breeze, a mild drizzle, beautiful clouds, refreshing sunlight, and an amazing colorful rainbow.

I think Sherdil was making a joke... With that kind of English, i think i feel sorry for you instead of our Muslim brothers.

I have this picture of Sant Giani Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale when they were young

:nono: Onto quality control you go! :tongue2: