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I did't want to post here, but it's really hurting to see ke apan kise nu sewa vi ni karan dinde. Members here are bashing on "BasicsofSikhi" for no reason. He did not say that alcohal is allowed, he meant at this point based on OP's level, as he's just new. BasicsofSikhi's youtube links provide all the required knowledge. Don't you think, one bhajj jana, je onu pehla hi kehdo tu daru ni peeni, meat ni khana, kesh rakh ke parna ban, prayian istaria nu ni dekhna, amritvele uthke path karin roj ishnana karke etc. These changes doesn't happen like this ke somebody ask and we do it. These happen from internally and by itself. And meditation is the key step for internal change. He'll get more knowledge of Sikhi as he has or will start reading books and translation of Gurbani. very well said by Taran0 ji "people new to sikhi first need to learn what it is thet they are sacrificing these things for"

The deal for Muslims is very simple. If you cannot give religious freedom to non-Muslim minorities in your Islamic countries, you do NOT have ANY bloody right to demand religious freedom when you come to the West. I have said this before, I have NO problems with Muslims building mosques in every street in every Western country. All I ask for is that in their Islamic countries they allow AT LEAST ONE non-Muslim place of worship for EACH non-Muslim faith which caters to the spiritual yearning for people from a couple of neighboring towns, and I am NOT asking one in every street. The days of hypocrisy are soon to be over.

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki Fateh I am utterly blown away, shocked and greatly hurt by this particular thread discussing the Agan Bhet sewa that will be taking place in Toronto this June. TO DasamSarblohGranth" : Your approach to this matter is quiet unprofessional and to my understanding very disgraceful and extremely disrespectful for so many reasons. In reading the topic discussed in this thread, particularly the manner in which you have posted your view, the lack of knowledge and understanding of this sewa is quiet clear. First of all, I would like to say that if you truly have a concern with this issue and wish to take action, hiding behind a username on a discussion board is definitely not a smart move. I am sorry to say however, the manner in which you have "CHALLENGED THE SANGAT TO STAND UP", is very discouraging. As a matter of fact, if you were a true believer in what you have said, then you would not need to hide behind a computer, copy and paste information from different sites, analyze and critique it according to your own knowledge and then try to convince people that your right. Rather, you would contact sewadaars directly and go the extra step to research valid and supporting information that actually "MAKES SENSE". and just maybe by doing so you will come to understand that you have been greatly mistaken. I have read through your entire post and I was utterly shocked at the terms you have used ("pakhand","sensible people", "pathetic traits" etc") , the biased manner of your approach, the reasoning for your views and most of all YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. Please do not misguide the sangat with such falsified information that is only and ONLY BIAS. IT IS A HUMBLE REQUEST TO YOU, TO PLEASE FULLY EDUCATE YOURSELF BEFORE POSTING And maybe I should define what I mean by educating yourself. Educating yourself does not simply mean you sit on a computer, read articles, watch a video or just talk to other people about it. Educating yourself means experiencing reality by being a part of the sewa, seeing it for yourself, and finally asking questions to those that conduct it when in doubt. Then, I would consider your words as valuable and worth my time to read and "ponder" upon. You have obviously not done any of that and therefore for you to sit back behind a username and a computer and create a outrage about a topic you have absolutely no knowledge about, is what I would call "insensibility". With Guru Jee's blessings, I have been attending these sewas all over India as well as in Canada for the past 9 years. When I first heard of it, I myself had many questions but with Guru Jee's kirpa I have come to know the importance of this sewa. Take a minute to think about how many Sikhs, how many Sikh homes and how many Sikh Gurdwaras are all over the world. Now think about how many Gurdwaras and Sikh homes will have printed gutke sahib, pothis, Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee's saroops. I would say countless. In addition, think about the mass production of Gurbani literature that contains bani, gurbani CD's, DVD's, VCD's, and rumalle sahib that have bani printed all over them. On a smaller scale just think within our homes, how many calenders and wedding cards have gurbani printed all over them, how many Guru Jee's photos are printed regularly and sold all throughout the world. These are just some articles I have listed that have Gurbani printed on them. Could you take a minute to understand that if all these articles become completely worn out and old, how will every Sikh in every home and Gurdwara be able to take care of every single type of gurbani article with complete respect. If anything, beadbi of Guru Jee's birdh (old) saroops, gutke sahib, pothis etc. will occur. As more and more gutke sahib, Guru Jee's saroops, pothi sahibs are printed, more and more are becoming worn out and old. How can you restore everything? This is why agan bhet sewa is not considered a wrongful sewa. Many are having an issue that we cannot burn our Guru and destroy him. N30SINGH' posted, " guru sahib saroop (who is alive never gets born, die or be old)" in one of their posts. Now if it is agreed upon that Guru Granth Sahib Jee is our Shabad Guru that never dies then how can doing agan bhet of birdh saroops make you think that we are destroying our Guru? Then we are only contradicting ourselves. Our Guru, Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee has two major dimensions, the internal/spiritual and external/materialistic. Guru Sahib Jee's saroops are manifestations of the Guru. The scriptural form is paper, ink and binding but our Guru is external and immortal. Again, this agan bhet sewa is ONLY done of printed articles (which are copies of the originals). When articles are agan bhet, we only touch into the external/materialistic nature of our Guru only which we are required to simply because all forms of living and nonliving things in the world are materialistic and destructible. We can never destroy the Shabad Guru. Further,I want to make this clear that since the initiation of the printing press which began the printing of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee's saroops, gutke sahib, pothis, gurbani literature etc. in masses for the sangat, the sewa sambhaal(care) of all PRINTED articles that have worn out and become old became a huge concern for the panth. As a result, many groups realized that this sort of sewa should be occurring and therefore, many began to agan bhet such gurbani articles. The SGPC also understood the need for this sewa and began their own system in which great beadbi was involved. Bhai Narinder Singh had originally seen the way the SGPC had began this sewa and was greatly hurt by their approach. As a result, he initiated this sewa with the utmost respect and care that became world-wide known and today understood and accepted as the absolute proper way to do this sewa. However, in regards to your post, you have greatly been mistaken in targeting the wrong group of sewadaars which involves Bhai Narinder Singh Jee. There are other groups of individuals that are conducting this sewa however you need to understand a clear distinction between them and the sewa Bhai Narinder Singh Jee conducts. NO other group or sewadaars doing this sewa anywhere else in the world has been approved by the panth as respected and acceptable. The videos and information you have been posting with your argument are all mixed up and confused as they are involving completely different sewadaars. However, your initial argument is targeting the sewa that is going to occur this June in Toronto which is hosted by Bhai Narinder Singh Jee. Again, your statements have no foundation and no leading argument. For someone like yourself such statements may make no sense because you obviously believe that nothing should be agan bhet. Before I jump to any other detail, I am going to make something very clear to you and your supporters. No and I mean NO Handwritten saroops of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee, Dasam Granth, Sarbloh Granth, No Handwritten Gutke sahib or Pothis or any other historically significant findings of our panth has or is ever agan bhet under Bhai Narinder Singh Jee in any circumstances. WE HAVE PROOF OF EVERY SAROOP, GUTKE SAHIB, POTHIS ETC. THAT HAS EVER ARRIVED AT THE ISTHAANS IN INDIA WHERE THIS SEWA OCCURS SINCE THE SEWA BEGAN UNDER BHAI SAHIB JEE. WE HAVE PROOF OF EVERY HANDWRITTEN ARTICLE OF GURBANI AS WELL AS ALL OTHER HISTORICAL ITEMS THAT HAVE EVER BEEN SENT TO THE REFERENCE LIBRARY IN AMRITSAR IN THE INTENTION TO HELP REVIVE OUR SIKH HISTORY. To date, according to all our records, 300 handwritten saroops of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee, 90 handwritten saroops of Dasam Granth have been sent to the reference library in Amritsar. Bhai Narinder Singh Jee has documented and recorded all this information. How can you make such huge assumptions that Bhai Sahib Jee is involved in destroying historical articles of our panth. With what support do you state this? In preparation, this sewa has been done with great precision and detail with sangat doing darshan or Guru Ji's saroop 3 times and making detailed notes and then, a final decision. Also it should be cleared that many many different type of saroops arrive at the sewa asthaans all through India from Laariwaar saroops to Handwritten saroops, and there has NEVER been a system through which certain types of saroops are agan bhet and a certain type are not. It is a humble request to you to please think twice about posting anything about this topic. If parchar of such falsified information continues, THE SGPC CAN AND WILL TAKE ACTION AGAINST THOSE INDIVIDUALS. I have provided many links below which discuss this sewa in detail. If this thread was truly began to discuss that this sort of sewa should not be occurring within the panth because on personal notes, it is "WRONG", then you will also go the extra step to realize that you have not entirely discovered the truth and just maybe, you will do your research next time before posting biased opinions with no founding evidence or support. If you and your supporters are greatly concerned that our Sikh history is being destroyed then it is requested that you attend the sewa occurring in Toronto this June and speak to Bhai Narinder Singh Jee yourself in person. Vaheguru Ji ka Khalsa Vaheguru ji ki Fateh

Even if the Briish been there and we did not traitors amongst us in the form of Dogras, we would have defeated the British quite easily. Economic growth would have been far ahead and not at par with the west.

in terms of the military strength, the Khalsa army was about equal in strength and efficiency to the east India company's army. In terms of economy Punjab was the most prosperous part of India at the time. So if one were to compare to other asiatic powers at the time, it was probably the best. Unfortunately, the Sikh empire ended prematurely. Had the British not been there, the Sikh empire would have extended to large parts of India and today India would have experienced high economic growth at par with the west.

I am doing a series regarding the same thing on my blog. I have a new initiative if you guys want to write one from your perspective and submit it to me I will love it. I have already done Chamkaur and another one which I label, as the "Lost Battle." Heres the most recent one: One of the ignored battles of Sikh history, and one which has been repeatedly shrouded by the veils of darkness is the lost battle. Fought between the Akali Nihungs, the British and the remaining vestiges of the 'Phulkian' misl, the battle marked the exile of the Akali Nihungs from their beloved Punjab and the ascendance of the British power over the virgin Punjab. Despite the vocal disparities prevalent between the Akali Nihungs and the Sikh polity, both seamlessly intertwined with each other during times of crisis. By 1845 A.D. such a crisis was heavily prevalent in the atmosphere. After the demise of Maharajah Ranjit Singh in 1839 A.D., his trusted advisors, the Dogras had slowly gained control of the empire's affairs. By setting the late Maharajah's subsequent heirs at each other's throats, they had commenced a chain of events which had weakened the foundations of Khalsa independence. Subsequently, disgusted by their indolent behavior and voracious nature many of the empire's generals and chiefs had resigned from their positions and migrated to other parts of the empire or other nations. As a result, the mother of the Maharajah's potential heir, Maharani Jind Kaur, was made queen in a heavily unstable empire and handed the reins of a complex entity. One which was proving to be mutinous on a numerous different fronts. Seeing the Khalsa's army's spirit and it's tendency to execute traitors and warmongers, the Dogras slowly depleted it's finances until even the most loyal soldier turned himself against the monarchy. This event catalyzed in Lal Singh Dogra and Hira Singh Dogra convincing the queen to break the cis-Sutlej treaty. The treaty had been a perpetual understanding between the late Maharajah and the British, solemnly binding both sides from crossing their respective side of the Sutlej river. An action which could easily be interpreted as a subtle gesture of war. Furthermore it stalled the Maharajah from extending the Khalsa empire's precedents into British India. What the British however failed to acknowledge at the time, was that by stalling Ranjit Singh they had only fueled his ambition and displayed their own Achilles heel to him. Maharani Jind Kaur slowly traversed herself into the Dogra's ambush and gave the Khalsa army her full blessings to commence preparations for invading British territory. On one hand the Dogras were assisting the army and outlining decisive maneuvers against the British, whilst on the other they were reporting the Khalsa's plans to British envoys. Thus, the battle and it's subsequent outcome was decided upon even before both armies came in sight of each other. Despite inflicting an unheard rate of casualties upon the British, via it's indigenous guerrilla tactics and facsimile achieved via the leadership of European generals, the Khalsa extensively suffered from the outset of the war. Subtle traitors such as Ranjodh Singh Majitha failed to assist the main detachment of troops with utmost clarity and speed, whilst the Dogras betrayed the Khalsa troop's weak spots to their new found masters. Ultimately only one battle remained to be fought, it would decide the concluding outcome of the entire war. The Khalsa decided to base its remaining power at this central spot and planned an elaborate trap for the British. One if successful would ensure the demise of all white soldiers present. It was at this critical conjuncture that Maharani Jind Kaur, after being notified of the Dogra forces ineptness and the bloody casualties inflicted upon the valorous Khalsa troops, summoned the noble Sham Singh Attari from his indigenous residence. Sham Singh had been a great bureaucrat and noble of the Khalsa court in his heyday and on several occasions had acted as general of the Khalsa forces. On receiving his queen's summons he discarded his son's marriage ceremony and joined the Nihungs of Budha-Dal at Akal-Takhat. There he pledged alliance to the Khalsa nation in front of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and presented himself before Akali Baba Hanuman Singh Ji, the commander-in-chief of both the Budha-Dal and Shaheedan misl along with the venerable position of head custodian of Akal-Takhat. Akali Baba Hanuman Singh was no common soldier himself. In his own right, he was a veritable one man legion. Perpetually encased in his armour and weapons he presented a fearsome spectacle to both friend and foe alike. Born in 1755 A.D. he had served as an Akali under both Akali Baba Naina Singh Ji, and Akali Baba Poohla Singh Ji. Both valued proponents of the Khalsa empire in it's various transformations. After Baba Poohla Singh's demise, Hanuman Singh had ascended to the commander-ship of both the Budha-Dal and the Shaheedan misl at the able age of 68 years. Since then he had never faltered in his duties and was ever-ready for combat. Thus when Sham Singh pointed out to him the large deficiency in the general Khalsa army's numbers, Hanuman Singh chuckled with delight and chastised him by humorously citing the Akal-Nihungs solemn pledge to perpetually defend the Khalsa nation. After enrolling Sham Singh and his sons, in his own force Baba Hanuman Singh set out for Sobroan, where the rest of the Khalsa awaited him. It is said that just before retiring for the night, and rest before the commencement of the battle, the Dogras slipped out of the heavily guarded Khalsa camp and notified the British generals of the Khalsa ambush. In return for such devious intelligence, the British ordered the Dogras to abscond from the battlefield alongst with any sympathizers they possessed. The Dogras extensively tried convincing Sham Singh to re-write his solemn pledge to the Khalsa, and join them in their retreat from the battlefield. But the chivalrous knight refused. On the 10th of February 1846 A.D. the final battle of the first Anglo-Sikh war was enjoined between the troops of the East India Company, and the Khalsa empire. Despite realizing that their ambush had been betrayed, the Khalsa troops valorously impaled themselves on the British guns, and slaughtered their fair-skinned foes. In the midst of the battle Sham Singh, and Baba Hanuman Singh virtually squeezed the blood from the British as if they were crushing lemons. At 90 years of age the venerable Baba displayed supernatural feats of strength which saw his white foes avoid him as if he were the very Abrahamic devil himself. Meanwhile Sham Singh himself dispatched many a white to the Christ's feet himself whilst being heavily wounded in the chest. Ultimately it was only after the last Khalsa troop had evacuated the field that he allowed himself to fall. On closer examination of his body it was seen that he had been shot a total of eleven times in the course of one-day. It was only on the behest of his legendary resolve, coupled with his warrior's stamina that he continued to fight for the honoring of his pledge. Meanwhile the remaining Akalis regrouped once more under Baba Hanuman Singh. After commencing a head-count and weighing up the situation, the Akalis decided upon a divergent course of action. Rather than plaguing the British in their present condition, they would encamp at Patiala and regroup. Not only would this grant them a temporary reprieve from the battle, it would also assist them upon calculating a new stratagem to encounter the British and if need be open the path to Nanded for them. With this thought in mind Baba Hanuman Singh undertook the journey to Patiala. The monarch of Patiala, and a venerable stooge of the British, Maharajah Karam Singh on receiving word of a numerous horde of Akalis camping on his doorstep hastily summoned the British. Fearing retribution for his refusal to build a shrine, in consecration of Guru Teghbahadur's visit to Patiala, he devised a murderous attack upon the Akalis with his British counterparts. As a result the Akalis were caught unaware when detachments of British, and the Patiala legions encircled them. Despite such an extensive setback, they prepared their weapons and with the name of the supreme being on their lips commenced a murderous charge upon their foes' artillery. Historically speaking, records estimate the martyrdom of 32,000 Akalis in the course of this battle until only the stubborn Baba Hanuman Singh and his detachment of 5,000 Singhs were left standing. In a Napoleanic fashion they commenced to form a tight-knight cloister which valorously commenced the slaughter of the foe, until it too fell to the enemy's bullets. Thus the last stronghold of the Akali-Nihungs in Punjab was reduced to ashes. Yet hope still lingered in the form of the 21 survivors of the bloody debacle. Lead by Baba Prahlada Singh, who was chosen to succeed Baba Hanuman Singh by the survivors, they commenced a heart-rendering journey towards Nanded. There they hoped to gain a temporary reprieve at Hazoor Sahib, and rebuild their legions under Baba Prahlada Singh's general-ship. Alas it was only a vain ambition. Influenced by revivalist Hindu fundamentalists, a discordant individual named Ala Singh had ousted the vanguard of Khalsa tradition from Hazoor Sahib; and seated himself in it's stead. Adorning the bana, apparel, of an Akali Nihung he marched out with his accomplices, heavily armed to the teeth to confront Baba Prahlada Singh and his wards. Realizing that the Guru was not smiling upon their course of action, and instead found satisfaction in their deaths, Baba Prahlada Singh and his injured companions enjoined the foe in battle one final time and after slaughtering Ala Singh left for their heavenly abodes. Thus the lost battle was concluded. http://tisarpanth.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/the-lost-battle.html This has already been discussed before, can anyone locate the thread???

Gurpreet14, making a new ID doesn't usually help, so quit playing games. Atleast try to act your age.

you know theres an <edited> in every gurdwara who can turn any conversation into a panga ! hehheheh many people come into sihki slowly... we usually say to them cut down slowly, bit by bit.. sehajey sehajey we sometimes deal with alcoholics and drug addicts and we say cut it down slowly slowly if they can't stop it straight away. until it disapears.... n30_singh was saying this exact same thing.... people new to sikhi first need to learn what it is thet they are sacrificing these things for - once this love is found within then the person will give his head - let alone alcohol..... take one step towards the guru and he will take 1000 towards you....

Rescue action by Indian Army.

Nearly all the battles of Guru Gobind Singh Jee were against forces which were much larger. After Guru Jee's period, Baba Banda Singh Bahadur fought some epic battles that shook the very foundation of the mughal empire and temporarily established the first Khalsa Raaj on earth. Battle of Sirhind was probably the best battle in Baba Jee's time. The Sikhs were being overwhelmed by the better equipped and more experienced Mughal forces, but that is when Baba Banda SIngh Bahadur came down from the hill and just his mere presence in the battle field inspired new Josh/vigour amongst the Singhs who then beat the Mughals and conquer Sirhind. In this battle it is said that thousands of Sikhs and Mughals died.

This is all relative with many factors. Even Alexander the Great can't say he conquered Afghanistan and secured the Khyber region due to the terrain and the Khalsa was around much more recently compared to these larger empires. If the Khalsa Empire were established a couple hundred years earlier it would have extended all the way across India and well into the middle east mainly because the British hadn't set their eyes on stealing the resources and wealth of India at the time. At the time, Khalsa armies were number one, or tied with Great Britain in military strength.

Dumalla. Wrap your kes in with keski, do a bunga so ur kes are kept in place and thers a solid base for your dastar and then finish it off with your second malmal. BOOM!

LOL, oh vi kehnda hona ah kithe fass gya aake, eh te ikk dujje di dhoun vaddan nu firde...meri toppi kithe shadduge

Look at that picture. Imagine if someone was driving on that road. Scary

Youtube always has some good ones. I like the audios available on Nirvair Khalsa Jatha's site too.

How dare this piece of filth say that!!!!! Oh yeah, for him Guru nindaks like Lala Jagat Narain are martyrs!!!!

CHANDIGARH: The Pakistan government has decided to declare 'Panja Sahib' a holy city and would initiate efforts to sort out all issues related to the welfare of the Sikhs living at the pilgrimage site. This was stated by the President of Pak-Indo friendship association and legal consulate ministry of interior government of Pakistan Arif Chaudhry, during his meeting with the Punjab chief minister Parkash Singh Badal here, an official release said here. Panja Sahib is believed to house a rock having the hand print of Guru Nanak, founder of Sikh religion, and is a popular pilgrimage spot for Sikhs across the world. Chaudhary also invited Badal to Pakistan to attend a function organized by the Association on this occasion, the schedule of which would be finalized as per his convenience. Accepting the invitation, Badal said that he had always championed the cause for further strengthening bilateral ties between India and Pakistan through opening Hussainiwal and Fazilka border that would give impetus to trade. He hoped with the formation of the new government in Pakistan, the bilateral relations would further improve and new business and cultural exchange avenues would be worked out through promoting people to people contact programmes. The Pakistan official said that the forum would also try to sort out all issues related to the welfare of Sikhs living at Panja Sahib. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pak-set-to-declare-Panja-Sahib-as-holy-city/articleshow/20590054.cms

You're right about 'giani' being a derogatory term nowadays it's because of the backwards attitudes which we've inherited from our elders and the gurdwara committees who look down on 'gianis' and treat them like second-class citizens. Gianis are paid a pittance and most of us wouldn't get out of bed for that kinda money. So the majority of the sangat do not respect them and I know you get the odd bad one or two, but you can't tar them all with the same brush. However, with the rise of social media and YouTube, it's 'trendy' to ridicule just about anything nowadays. And sometimes these kinda funny videos do have elements of truth in them and they do portray a powerful serious message. Especially the video about the gurdwara committees and it's good to know the youth are aware of their failures and hopefully this can inspire some kind of change for the future as after all we are part of the next generation.

Those videos are scary. What must have happened to the people in the bus or that group of 4 people who were swept away. Hope they survived.

I can't watch videos like this...vaheguru being swept away like that. Power of Mother Nature. No one knows when or where their time will come. I can't watch videos like this...vaheguru being swept away like that. Power of Mother Nature. No one knows when or where their time will come.

We can only speculate, no one truly knows what increases or decreases your kamai. There is no formula set in stone. But I don't feel that doing ardas for others can harm you in any way or have a negative effect on you. What better thing is there than to do ardas for others from the bottom of your heart? Also a lot of us are so caught up in ourselves and our own egos that we only want to help others (ie. do ardas for them) if there is some kind of gain in it for us or if we are not going to lose out on something. When really and truly, we should be willing to help those in need no matter what. Sometimes you see some people at the gurdwara donate £10 to the nearest giani ji and then he does ardas for that person. Sometimes I see this and feel that in SOME cases, ardas has just become like a 'ritual' as in the ardas will be mumbled by the giani ji in exchange for some money, the person requesting ardas just listens, matha teks and then goes on their way. And I think would it not be best for that person to totally surrender to Guru Ji themselves and personally do their ardas themselves. Ardas is not just about what you say, it's also about what's on your mind and what's in your heart and Guru Ji alone is all-knowing and listens to us in our time of need. All in all, I think it's good to do ardas for ourselves and others, but only if you truly mean it and it's not for any sort of selfish gain. If you do it without meaning, then ardas is just empty words.

Sant Baba Attar Singh ji Reru Sahib:- "par-upkar de smaan koi punn nahin"

Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh "The main building of Gurdwara Sahib of Gobind Ghat in Uttarakhand is safe and none of the 'Birs' (religious scriptures) of Guru Granth Sahib were lost due to rains as was feared" Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Thank you so much Dhan Dhan Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh

The issue at hand has NOTHING to do with sikhi. It is an issue of promiscuity, it's consequences and psychological effects. Don't bring sikhi into such issues that have no gurmat in them at all.

Sant Baba Attar Singh ji Reru Sahib:- When Sant Baba Aaya Singh ji Hoti Mardanwale left the panj bhootak chola, sangat (fauji) was directed to Sant Attar Singh ji Reru Sahib by akaal purkh ji's hukum. Sangat had never done darshan of Sant ji. So when they reached reru sahib, they were told that Sant ji "khetan vich hal vaa rahe ne". Sangat on their way to fields started doing shanka/doubts on Sant ji by saying that Sant mahapurkh should not do this, they should just sit and give darshan to sangat, etc. Sant ji, antarjami, knew what was in their minds, so sant ji went to them and said Sant ji is in the kutiya and sangat was directed towards a cottage nearby. When they reached there they saw the same Baba ji, with illahi noor, chita rang, chita darha and said babaji you r the same who met us on way. After confirming they asked how did you get here before us, even took bath and changed clothes. Sant ji first tried to avoid this as thes are gupt khedan. But on insisting did following bachans after explaining the importance of sewa:- "Tusin rabbi hukum anusaar, itni dooron chalke vi aaye, jekar tuahdi eh tush jehi mang vi poori na hundi, fer shardha nahin si rehni. Shardha ton bina sikh nu sadhu darshana da pooran labh nahin milda. par bai, sadhu da ant laina vi theek nahin, shardha rakh ke jitna ho sake sadhu di sewa kariye, ona di parikheya nahin karni chahidi, bhala je ansi hun tuhadi parkh kariye, ta koi kaswati te poora uter sakega?" Sangat apologized. Baba ji again said: Gursikho, shardha waleaan de berhe paar hunde han. Bhagti roop brish laun layi, shudh hirda dharti hai, nimrata roopi jal te shardha hi beej hai. Eh hal wahun di sewa vi daate paason mang ke layi hai, pyare ne tuth ke eh daat bakhshi hai."

Is this the same jathedar who has issues with Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale's name on the Gurdwara door? Also, his people were responsible were turning around the goalk, so santji's name don't show up? Yes, this jathedar should be sacked, but let’s concentrate on some heretics, but not Police Director Saini who is responsible for death of thousands of Sikhs.

If you cannot discuss or debate with someone in a civilized manner, its better to stay silent rather than throwing taunts at the other person.

:O argh u make me so angry dude! I tie my keskee on my head genius I just sometimes tie on my somach or the other way I mentioned when I'm washing my hair !

Haan ji but also wish sikhs like us have the sidak of khalsa-embodiment of Guru as well.

Look at how this akhauti parcharak is misguiding the sangat about dasam bani:

Hey that is a bit rude (uncle mal), is this how you respect your elders in your gurdwara, this has been a good debate, there has been no insults etc, how can you call it a panga, thought this was a forum for debating, exchanging info etc it would be very boring if we all agreed with each other dont you think ?

There are plenty of apne who have been listening to bani for years sehajaey sehajay and they cant give up alcohol, so why not be truthful and say clearly from the offset that was my point puttar from your UNCLE MAL. No one bashing your basic to sikhi friend, just asking a question or is that forbidden and do you follow blindly!! I thought this was about debating not once have i insulted anyone, also if the person is asking about alcohol tell him it is not allowed, what the problem with that so the next time you right a long post telling people about sikhi and how they must do pesh etc remember your own advice you cant expect a person to change in 1 sec right? but how about telling a new person to your faith the truth especially when the are talking about alcohol, or are we trying to convert someone under false pretenses, the other thing you have to remember is that non amritdharis will say its ok dont worry about it but you expect amritdharis to stand up and tell the truth.

True . also one more thing is that , you cant expect a person to change in 1 sec right? so let that guy take him time im not saying alcohol is allowed

dhardiwale ji's simran is also very good...

There is no doubt that Guru Granth sahib has jyot of our Guru sahib. It is written bani that is our Guru or shabad guru. Shabad ever resonates in cosmos and never die. Guru Granth sahib is written form of shabad Guru. What will you do when these words of Gurbani age out and are not legible.Obviously you will do agan bhet.

Vaheguru

WJKK WJKF In Gurbani there are alot of places where words are mentioned with an aunkar and without aunkar. For example the word Naam and Naam(u). I was able to figure out (might be incorrect) that when its Naam(u) then its hinting WaheGuru in some way. But then there is dhan and dhan(u) and Mann and Mann(u). Can someone explain how the aunkar changes the meaning of the word? Thank you!

Remember perfectness is not achieved overnight. It is a long journey, one where you will falter and stumble but pick yourself up again. The best of luck.

You will be pleased to know that the Sikh Missionary Society has made arrangments to hold the 36th Sikh Students Gurmat Camp from Sunday 28th July to 4th August 2013 at Guru Gobind Singh Khalsa College, Roding Lane, Chigwell, Essex, IG7 6BQ Special Features of the camp are: Community Living: The Gurmat Way Community Living: The Gurmat Way Gurmat Essay & Painting Competition Introduction to Physical Activities Introduction to Kirtan Indoor and Outdoor Games Workshops/Seminars & Discussions on Sikh Religion and Culture Camp Fire and Martial Arts Display Tie up Dastar (Saujana) Encouragement & Prizes to the children who learn Gurbani Path by heart Fees: £80 for the first child from a family and £75 for other children in the same family. Special concessions may be available in some cases (please give us a call on 020 8574 1902). There are approximately 100 places available so please book early to avoid disappointment. Note: Minimum Age for Campers is 10 years and the Maximum age is 15. For more information - http://www.sikhmissionarysociety.org/sms/smsyouthcamp/

Here is what basic of sikh bhaji wrote: Yet you have a problem with my posts where i clearly said to avoid alcohol ..really? It does not rocket scientist to find out you have issues with me? Can we discuss further via pm bro? Esi gore samne apni community da zaloos kaddi janai aa vaad/vivaad karke, koi parda rakho? My last post on this topic..so we are really going off-topic here.

Mal veer, I clearly mentioned this post to avoid: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/71965-new-with-sikhism/?p=585300 I quote again in case you missed it: Hope thats clarifies..is that clear enough bro? You seriously seem to be on witch haunt?

As you are probably already finding out, unfortunately a lot more arguing takes place on this forum compared to any learning or teaching...

Do not rush into anything yet,it could be just a phase you are going through, it would not be right to disrespect the sikh or any other religion by converting and then going back or jumping onto another path, like you say its only been a few months, give it time, do plenty of research regarding sikh history and prayer translations, drinking alcohol, smoking etc is against sikhi and a big no when handling or praying using sikh prayers/writings. No need to dress like a sikh until you are 100% ready to become one, it is not just about the appearance of a sikh. you have to mentally commit to the way of life first and be ready to submit to the Guru fully and for ever, then when and if you are ready after Amrit then kirpan etc need to be worn (you need to do research regarding this), as for not liking the turban, that will definitely not help if you wish to become a sikh, like i said read about sikh history and take one step at a time , if you get peace from just meditation the just keep doing that, you will know when and if you are ready could be soon or many many years or even never, but please do not disrespect our religion or yourself by converting then deciding you were not ready etc. Good luck

LOL at this post First you call sikhi weak including this forum where YOU are asking for help have you ever actually helped anyone yourself or are you waiting on these "chola" wearers to help you out first, instead of cussing people down why dont you change yourself and maybe when people see someone doing better and helping people they will be inspired unless the above rant of yours is only so other people change for your benefit!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Dib has been derived from Sanskrit word – Divya - and it means divine, secret, occult etc. Drishtee means nazar, eye, seeing power etc. Dib Drisht means powered eye or divine eye. In Mahabharata, Sanjaya is said to have Divya Drishtee and he was able to see the events of battle of Mahabharata from many miles and narrate them to Dhritraashter – father of the Kaurav brothers. It is a commonly used word in the Hindu Granths. In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, this word has been used few times. It means to have divine eye. In Sri Anand Sahib, Sri Guru Amardaas Ji Maharaj has written as follows: KAHO NANAK, IH NETR ANDH SE, SATGUR MILIAI, DIB DRISHT HOYEE (Sri Guru Ji by using the stamp of “Nanak” says that my eyes before meeting Satguru were blind and after meeting Satguru, I have got Dib Drishtee). One with Dib Drishtee can see the unseen. One with Dib Drishtee can see the events that are not visible to normal person. From: http://ikonkaar.blogspot.co.uk/2006/03/dib-drisht_14.html Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh

good news, but more effort has to be made on rescuing the vanishing Sikh heritage in Pakistan. That is more important than holy status, status given to Panja Sahib.

This muslim barber baba ji should be given saroipa at gurdwara..vahiguroo amazing news...hopefully youths who went to cut their kesh should reflect on this.!!

Who is this ''Someone else' and 'ourselves' ??? This is what the problem is, the ardaas should be for EVERYONE which is the ONE It is ONLY the EGO that makes the Me, you, myself, yourself..etc... Take away the haumai and there is ONLY ONE supreme Consciousness. If you try to understand this then you will eventually NEVER demand anything just for yourself. One should never do ardaas for their own personal welfare, they should just ask for 'Strength' to help unite with the Lord. You should ask for the well being and welfare of others first and ardaas that they be blessed. Do this with true intentions, not when deep down you feel that you shall get if you don't ask !! ""Oh, God will bless me if I don't ardaas directly but instead ask for others to be blessed'' !!- (no True Intention here and totally manmat) It's a little like when you refuse some sweet or mittha but deep down you wouldn't mind, so you say '' Nain ji, no thank you'' knowing very well that the server will force some onto your plate ! We should always speak what we really mean and make requests with true gurmat intentions.