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suspended the panj pyare? how is that even possible? Panja pyare = the guru.....so theyve suspended the guru? Makkar is an A grade c**t! Wat a bunch of PDL's these chamchay r man, the akali dal r on their last legs in panjab rule/politics, n r tryin a 1 final false flag ops everywhere to make themselves look like panthic heroes...theyre anyfink but. They can convince all the cow p!$$ drinkin gangus that its paks/khalistanis doin all this, but sikhs around the world, even pendus in panjab have woken up.

!) Jagmeet has forced the BBC to show its true face and contempt for minority religious groups to have their voice heard. It's a huge humiliation for BBC which is seen as a realiable and unbiased British broadcaster to be outed like this worldwide. 2) The killings of 2 Sikh peaceful protesters in Punjab made news around the world to Sikhs in seconds which meant Sikhs could react quickyl and form protests offline and online. Back in 1980s the killings of dozens of Sikhs was business as usual and only the Indian newspapers, or Sikh old media punjabi newspapers would report it aboard after a week or so. The toleration level in the community for number of Sikhs killed was high because Sikhs mostly didn't mind if their fellow adherents were killed protesting for a good cause as it would qualify as shaheedi for the panth. But these days we have had enough of our people getting killed by our enemies we dont tolerate it any more and we will call out the murderers in the streets, in the mainstream media and on social media so that all the world can see and pressure is built against the aggressors. 3) Youths who normally we would are too busy wasting their life and time chatting about celebs on social media and apps were busy tweeting about SikhLivesMatter which is a good sign because it was around that teen age that passion for Sikhi is formed. If a person cares enough for his Sikh brothers and sisters to speak out on their behalf then they are not the part of the young lost generation we often talk about. 4) Badal and SGPC in punjab are feeling the heat, they can see that Sikhs don't trust them no more and will not tolerate their hold on our religious-political institutions. The time for reform has come, the time for Sarbat Khalsa has come

Saw this on social media. Don't know how true it is but goes to show how far the Indian establishment and British establishment work very closely together to put on fake religious people in mainstream media to attack and belittle minority groups such as the Sikhs.

I think the Badal Akalis have done the ultimate beadbi now. How can you suspend the Punj as they represent Guru Sahib. The Badals , Jathedars and Makkar must be excommunicated by the Sangat.

Simran ji, yes we have struggled a lot, almost 3 years before we could convince our parents, it was a though time. This is a very large problem in our community and also the main reason why the younger generation is not so into sikhi. They think that this caste system is from sikhi and when they get into this kind of problems they loose faith in sikhi. I hope by the time my children will find a life partner this issue is gone and we all can be true Sikhs.

Hi people, this is my first post on this forum and I felt I should share my strong opinion on this for this poor guy. Simran ji hats off and great respect for your reply’s which are common sense if you think about it. My parents never teached me about my caste and when I came up with the announcement that I love a girl for almost 4 years and want to marry her the first thing they asked me was her caste. I told them that I did not know what her caste was. Later I found out that she was from the shimba caste and my parents told me that I am jatt. Same as this post issue. I never believed in caste and even not had any knowledge about it, till the day my parents told me that I can only marry a jatt girl. Big story short…, my mom created a lot of big scenes and cried almost every day about the fact that I love a girl from different caste and Waheguru gave me the strength to hold on my decision to marry her and don’t give up on the tortures of my family. My father was after a time oke with it and supported me. So I am now proudly married to the girl of my dreams and we are so happy together and my advice to this guy would me to ask your girlfriend if she is ready to tackle all the battels together and also let your girlfriend ask her parents if they can guarantee her that if she marry a stupid jatt boy she will be happy and that he will keep her happy, I can tell you from my experience there will be no answer on that!!! I just hate people that believe in caste, I will tell my children later that they can marry anyone that believes in shri guru granth sahib ji, that is what counts to ensure the future of sikhi, not this caste <banned word filter activated>, sorry for my harsh words.

AbelSingh ji, you are just twisting things around. Like it or not, you have no sense of understanding on what somebody is writing. Talk about false accusations. And obviously you are feeling that my posts are promoting using a mala. I don't use one myself? If I was promoting, then why haven't I written I use one? I have no problem with anybody else using one, if it helps them to concentrate. You have your own opinions, I have my own, so stop being dominating. If somebody wants to use one, the onus is on them, not in me or you or anybody else. Nobody is promoting, you are being very hostile towards other people's comments and cannot accept people have different views to yours. And yes hanji they are the facts, I wrote nothing wrong. If you think so, carry on being deluded and you can stop insulting my ancestors too. No need to get personal. People like you like to twist things around and belittle others where they have no reason to just because you do not understand the context of ones posts. The question mark behind my question is a question, duhhhh, not a statement. Learn to read before you go mouthing off. Brainwash hoa pea. Yeah that was a statement at you. My comments only showed you a reflection of your comments. There's a mirror in between us if you not noticed. A very rude one it seems too, bounce back. If you are so passionate about this topic then why don't you tell us who the man is who is doing the katha veechar? What's there to hide ? I asked you before too, have you read the pangtis of Gurbani I wrote? Did you even understand what they mean, before deciding to think I wrote them to promote? It's obvious you haven't, otherwise you would not be accusing and be so confused. I suggest you read them again slowly and understand and then maybe change your accusations too. Nobody is better than anybody on here, in Gods eyes we are all equal. Peoples opinions maybe different, but there is no judgement of spiritual levels as you say in one of your posts something like if we were connected to Naam then we would not be sitting on the Internet. Same applies to you too, since you are same as us, a brother. Exactly, where has anybody shown ego of this, it is only your assumptions based on your thinking. You can't think for others but yourself. We are here to learn from each other not to dominate upon others. You are right saying a mala should not be used as a ritual or counting. But the rest of the nonsense you wrote of false accusation was not wise. Thank you Ji.

Waheguru ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji Ki Fateh! Gurmukh Pyaareo, If you want to help get more media coverage of what is happening in Punjab, please take a moment to sign the following 2 petitions. One for the BBC and the other for VICE News. Vice news usually sends a crew to record from the ground what is happening. Petition 1: https://www.change.org/p/vice-news-cover-punjab-protests-and-police-state-brutality-from-the-front-lines-asap?recruiter=406618895&fb_ref=Default Petition 2: https://www.change.org/p/bbc-bbc-report-on-indian-govt-opening-fire-on-peaceful-sikh-rally-after-media-blackout-order?recruiter=404355212#petition-letter Thank you for the help. Media coverage will make a difference, hopefully we can get a non indian government view point out.

Some posters here are so ignorant on real life relationships it's almost gob-smacking. wouldn't bother lol. She's a break wall with the intelligence range of a caste minded fish lol. Any sikh taking any form in pride in anything other than gurmat is honestly no real Sikh of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

Whether we like it or not, we are going to have to get accustomed to a fair few things that go outside of black and white notions of right and wrong as a community, especially in the diaspora. That much is plainly obvious. I'm saying that outside of perfect ideals we still have to work with imperfect humans; I'd say at the very least lets not do anything that is going to jeopardise our potentially dwindling numbers as a minority. I know all the arguments about 'quality not quantity' but even then, given ground level realities lets not make a bad situation even worse. And I'm going to add this, knowing full well that it may be very unpopular: let's try not to make the everyday lives of Sikh families miserable with a massive list of 'don't do this..........don't do this..........don't do this..........don't do this..........don't do this..........don't do this..........' We've got serious issues to deal with, and in the next generation or two (in the diaspora) marriage practices are highly unlikely to remain as they are now, regardless of how we feel about it. I think a minimal requirement of keeping our community growing (instead of shrinking) isn't a bad idea right now.

I thought it was some new James Bond film?

Such a pity, the original topic of the thread has been totally lost of sight, and we are fighting and blaming for unimportant matters. The one, of using a mala? We must be really crazy. We moorakhs, we full of weaknesses.... we are comparing oursleves with the Perfect ones. Though they appear or not in the pictures with a mala.... surely they do not need, their minds are spotless, it does not take them even a second to attune themselves with Naam during Simran, I would even go a step futher, they, even while walking, talking or doing any worldly task, their "chit" is in constant comunion with Wahiguru. It is we, who are dumb and lame, so some of us we may need the mala to concentrate on the simran, but if we are sincere and pure, in due time, when our simran and concentration get better, we shall automatically stop using it. If we really want to copy Guru Sahibans, let it not be on useless matters, but on something very useful and important, like the time they gave into Bhajan Bandagee, which I believe could be for several hours ,,. also they with other noble virtues or qualities, used them while dealing with others ...such as grace, mercy, compassion, pity, always helpful, goodness in heart and mind... Why do we not try to imitate them on the real values of Gurmat, just as they did by applying it in their daily lives... Life would be much better for all, if we did so. But the fact is, spiritual wise, we are donkeys, we do not pay attentive attention on Gurbani. Thus we are still very much manmukhs, with strong vices as : jealousy, hatred, cheating, haume , krodh , kaam, so our chit is clouded. We have no clear thinking, we remain deluded with doubts, and if we give an imprsession of being knowledgeable, it is false and full of fanatism. In sikhism, first of all we have to be humble and good, in order to imbibe the spiritual values derived from its daily practice, as per means of His Simran, which is the Amrit of Naam.. Sat Sree Akal.

wahegur, mehar kar, ang sang shai reh, sir te apna hath rakh, sangat nu bal bakhsh ena naal larhan da ye ena nu summatt bakhsh

brother i agree but there are some sikhs in the kyber pakthwan area who are native pathans and sikhs. I dont know if this is true but i believe so as they are very different complextian from us and arent punjabi indian at all. above example could get away with being greeks

Now more Sikhs are becoming baptised, another cull by the cow fuckers will begin again! KHALSA RISE use the shastars, give them to the millions of Sikhs we are SAINT SOLDIERS!

Terafufar ji, it's good to see you share your story. And it's seems you have struggled to get married due to this caste issue. It's not just common sense, I'm only writing what the Gurus fought for, and to make aware nobody is lower or higher than anybody or should not be treated differently because of their caste and I feel we should learn from those teachings. Welcome to the board, we are all sharing knowledge and learning.

Sikh Channel News: Statement of Panj Piare regarding Takht Jathedars https://www.facebook.com/SikhChannel840/videos/10153087591232791/

taking the news , not necessarily rejecting because of source as I can use my mind to see what rings true, thanks for posting

Today's hukhamnama from Darbar Sahib : https://soundcloud.com/bhaisukhasinghuk/daily-english-hukamnama-katha-ang-719-120315 that's answer enough for me

Most reasonable people would argue that neither the Indians or the British were our friends, the slight caveat being that the British gave the impression they favoured us for the sole purpose of achieving their own ends through our co-operation. They did help us in quite a few ways, not because they liked us or our religion, but because it served their purposes to manipulate us into situations where we'd comply with their instructions. There were no benevolent acts of favouritism on the part of the British. It was cold, hard politics. And it worked. So, any benefits for Sikhs as a result of the British Raj were a result of Realpolitik, as opposed to their encouragement for us stemming from moral, ethical, and ideological reasons. I won't speak for others, but I wasn't arguing for my Indian credentials. I just wasn't willing to hitch my ride to the incorrect view that the British were a wholly positive force for us. Being mistrustful and downright disdainful of British manoeuvring doesn't make me a dhoti-wearing Brahmin. Both parties are just as culpable for the miseries heaped upon us.

full explanation has been given for these two gursikhs conversation about angs, saroop and Bargadi follow sikh channel

interesting they picked this guy Rupinder Singh ...his treatment is being handled by Khalsa Aid , next they'll be labelling Ravi as a part of the conspiracy , they are so full of $h1t. Nobody has heard him speak so hearsay which what this 'evidence ' is what is being peddled . If they produce the rest of the saroop we as a kaum will have proof positive that Akalis are fully in on the beadbhi with RSS, RAW

All you can do is talk talk talk, and no proof proof proof. Just like the rest of the manmat doers here. It's why I debated you all and disproved you all. And your excuse against that is that I'm 'taking it out on innocent people in this topic whilst liking my own posts'. What does the liking my own posts have to do with anything? It's hard to even take you seriously, only a little kid talks about "shanti" especially over the internet LMAO! If you want to talk about shanti go do it outside. Simply stop encouraging manmat and have some faith in the Guru. You still cannot answer my questions and prove where a Guru used a mala. It's like your own selfish, delusional mind purposely is creating that one block of margin thought in the back of your head that a guru either had or used a mala; just so it can add some little satisfaction to your fantasies. But as soon as I debate it and disprove it then BOOOOOM, destroys your satisfaction. How exactly would they be novices then if they have memorised Gurbani? If anything you and the people you mentioned are the novices as one should know that nobody's santhiya will ever be at 100%, and that everyone is a novice in the eyes of the Guru. I know many Gurmukhs who have memorised bani and may time to time still want to read from Gutka sahib in front of sangat, so that they dont want to give way the fact they know the bani memorised. Does this mean that they are a novice? No just means your a delusional person who will bark anything on the internet. One clear point: no matter HOW MUCH YOU BARK, how much you wanna try and bark that there's this evidence or that so called evidence, you will never EVER be able to post one FACTUAL EVIDENCE that any Guru Ji used or wore a mala (and by factual evidence I mean actual evidence, like a pangti in Guru Granth Sahib Ji) for bhakti, at all. Surely if Guru Ji had mala why would they just leave it to people to discover their artififacts, put it on display and just simply rely on that? Rather than actually inscribing it into Guru Granth Sahib for the whole of mankind/humanity to know? That's what easily destroys you. Damn moorakhs. Stay put.

The manmat doers and moorakhs have smelt the smoke from the barrel. Kaboom.

I suggest you immediately do ardaas to the Guru for you mind to come to realisation for you are promoting moorakh and manmukh views here. How can you even use a painting of Guru Nanak in your picture. WHY ON EARTH WOULD SOMEONE NEED FAITH TO BELIEVE THAT A GURU NEEDED A MALA? WHERE IS THE LOGICAL SENSE IN THAT? I'm convinced the low remaining brain cells in you must somehow be the reason to make you post such things. Even if a Guru Ji did possess it the point is that they never ever USED IT FOR THEIR BHAKTI. Therefore it is extremely wrong to compare ourself to the Guru, by saying that it would be ok to use a mala if the Guru Ji used on. These things take no faith, only manmat/manmukh mentality to want to believe a Guru Ji used a mala or even had one. It is nowhere near the symbol for any Gurmat or Dharm as it is not stated anywhere in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. And another moorakh view.... are you seriously going to convince people by comparing a Gutka Sahib to a mala? where does it say Gutka Sahibs are for novices? They are there to READ FROM, to LEARN FROM, PRACTICE FROM. I know many people who know bani memorized yet still read from Gutka Sahib to make sure every bit of their santhiya is correct. I would strongly urge you to not post on this topic or this forum ever again (I certainly wont be if you read my next post after this) so that no one reading your comments will lose any brain cells at the things coming from you.

There you have it, NOBODY can provide pangti's as much as I have which clearly discourage a mala, as opposed to using one. Try and actually post one Gurbani pangti, not suggesting a bhagat used a mala previously or not, but one where it says a GURU JI used a mala for spirituality or a pangti which encourages the use of one. EXACTLY. SABH SIKHAN KO HUKAM HAI, GURU MANEO GRANTH. AKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL

And dont forget to rub your fat belly with lotion while you are undressing, preparing to face the entire sangat with your manmat and cynical views, while all other Gurmukhs reach there success. Next you will be encouraging the use of rakhriya and interfaith marriage too. Word of fact: you are not God and never will be. You are a mere kid who everyone thinks of nothing as a troll. That's why you stay hidden and quiet wherever Gurbani is presented, you cynical little boy.

It's even clearly explained in SGGS how mala is manmat, but of course people are going to leave that behind.. Here, Lord, take back Your mala. (656, Kabir) Ever since this worthless son of mine began chanting with his mala, we have had no peace at all! ||1||Pause|| (856, Kabir) (Now with this pangti it might suggest that Kabir used to use a mala, it doesn't suggest he used it throughout his whole life to concentrate on, that's why in the first pangti Bhagat Kabir even says to the Lord, take back the mala. Always funny to notice the manmat doers twisting this pangti to suit their own cynical views.). You chant on your mala, and beg for money. No one has ever been saved in this way, friend. ||3|| (888, Gur Arjan Dev) Apply ceremonial marks to their foreheads, hold malas in their hands, and wear religious robes. people think that the Lord is a toy. ||1|| (1158, Kabir) O Brahmin, you worship and believe in your stone-god, and wear your ceremonial rosary beads. Chant the Name of the Lord. Build your boat, and pray, "O Merciful Lord, please be merciful to me."||1|| The mala is around your neck, and the sacred tilak mark is on your forehead. You wear two loin cloths, and keep your head covered. If you know God and the nature of karma, you know that all these rituals and beliefs are useless. (1353, 1) Kabeer, what good is it to become a devotee of Vishnu, and wear four malas? On the outside, he may look like pure gold, but on the inside, he is stuffed with dust. ||145|| (1372, Kabir) And here's what Dasam Granth says about mala too: CHAUPAI One of them wears a Tasbi (the rosary of Muslims) and the other one wears Mala (the rosary of a Hindu); One of them recites the Quran and the other one reads Puranas; The adherents of both the religions are foolishly dying in opposing each other, And none of them is dyed in the love of the Lord.20.

Exactly! Thats what these manmat doers don't seem to realise. They cannot provide any Gurbani pangti in the true sense, rather will provide bani's which have nothing to do with covering the actual topic. Good reply. They obviously think they are using dhian with their mala's lol by focusing on the hand and not on the sound. If they do ardaas to maharaj he may bless them with correct understanding. Kabeer, what good is it to become a devotee of Vishnu, and wear four malas? On the outside, he may look like pure gold, but on the inside, he is stuffed with dust. ||145|| (1372, Kabir)

Well they're clearly not "facts", I'll tell you that right now. After reading your post it seems quite clear that you indeed are promoting manmat by encouraging the use of a mala indirectly. You clearly refer to a mahapurash doing this and that, rather than the Guru. What is the need to even look at a mahapurash? In your view are they higher than a Guru? That we should not search Gurbani for an answer as to whether a mala should be used or not and instead just look at the sant for the answer? By simply saying that it is comparing one self to the mahapurash. Read my latest posts here as I too have posted the bani which discourages the mala, and I have respect not to post in Gurmukhi. Nobody interpreted what you said but told the truth so stop encouraging manmat.

You chant on your mala, and beg for money. No one has ever been saved in this way, friend. ||3|| (888, Gur Arjan Dev) Apply ceremonial marks to their foreheads, hold malas in their hands, and wear religious robes. people think that the Lord is a toy. ||1|| (1158, Kabir) The mala is around your neck, and the sacred tilak mark is on your forehead. You wear two loin cloths, and keep your head covered. If you know God and the nature of karma, you know that all these rituals and beliefs are useless. (1353, 1) Kabeer, what good is it to become a devotee of Vishnu, and wear four malas? On the outside, he may look like pure gold, but on the inside, he is stuffed with dust. ||145|| (1372, Kabir) Proof right there that mala is discouraged in SGGS. If you're gonna do something then post it properly, not just one sided. And also I have respect to not post a pangti in Gurmukhi on a site where foul language is used by vile people like that 'lol^^' loser who's up in cuckoo land.

Where does it state he used a mala throughout his whole jeevani? It's to say he knew it was wrong to use on. Think twice next time. Stop encouraging manmat. What proof? A picture? How is that actual proof? Anyone could have put a mala and labelled it as Guru Ji's. You cannot even explain why a Guru Ji would need a mala. Therefore it is you doing manmat when Guru Granth Sahib Ji states nothing to use a mala. To show the Sikh Sangat what exactly? Was their message not divine enough for your brain to comprehend? Stop encouraging manmat by spreading false lies about the Gurus using manmat. It's stupid, makes you look stupid to say a Guru Ji needed to use a mala. Where in Guru Granth Sahib does it mention of any of the Guru Ji's using mala?

I think you must be mentally ill. The user created the topic simply to ask where is shaheedi referenced in Gurbani. He wasn't debating it. You on the other hand using your own cycnical views most likely created a fake account to hide your real identity so that your online reputation doesn't get ruined. There are real Gurmukhs out there who are doing the practical (YES since Gurbani is based around the practical, and not just barking like you) while they strive to meet God and you sit on your couch doing nindia behind a computer. Just like the rest, you cannot prove a mala is allowed according to Gurbani and therefore you continue doing the manmat. What exactly are these "new breed Sikhs" as you speak of? As far as I'm aware they do parchar to encourage people to do Naam Simran, not sit on computers like you and do all the nindia you can. I'm sure if you actually read Gurbani you would know what is the consequence of doing nindia. We are not joking here either, you will be embarassed out of your pants if you ever dare to address yourself in front of the Gurmukhs inside the Gurdwara and try to argue there. But you will never have the courage to do that in front of a whole sangat in Maharajs' hazoori. What has coins and charity got to do with anything? You continue doing your calculations of Gurbani, counting this and that while Gurbani says nothing about that. And Gurmukhs will be reciting naam and reaching Vaheguru. Mark my words you shall regret your actions for you have not experienced Naam in any shape or form. If you did you wouldn't be sitting behind the computer debating on an internet forum about what is right or wrong. The Guru's are laughing at you right now. Again you prove what a joke you are when you bring up the clothing topic, were any of the Guru's naked at any time? Which sant mahapurakhs do you see naked? Any other religious/historical figure in Sikhi? Just because you like doing that doesn't mean you have to encourage others with your manmat tools. I am not joking, if you're going to encourage others to do manmat then prepare to face the consequences for you shall be punished. That's why the Gurus laugh at you lol. So keep on hiding behind your fake account, it's the only thing that'll prevent you from ruining your online rep on your primary account. SHOW EVERYBODY where in Gurbani is shaheedi referenced? Exactly you vile being, some low street boy who has never even heard Naam or had it pargat could just pick up an AK47 and started aiming it relentless everywhere, only to be killed and have a tip top moorakh like you saying 'Oh look the shaheed has gone to Sachkhand to meet Akal Purakh'. Not to say all Shaheed Singh's didn't have strong strict Gursikhi jeevani but someone like yourself is clearly defenceless when it comes to arguing about a Shaheed as Gurbani doesn't cover it. How are they sacrificing their mind to akal purakh when they are sacrificing something in the name of politics or the panth? However Puratan Shaheeds like the Chali Mukte, Banda Singh Bahadur, Baba Deep Singh Ji, Bhai Taru Singh Ji, Bhai Mati Das, Bhai Sati Das, Bhai Dayal were obviously Shaheed for their Guru Ji and had already reserved a spot in the Sachkhand. There is a clear difference from Puratan and 1984 times when Shaheeds sacrificed themselves for the Guru. Not to say that other Shaheeds didn't sacrifice themselves for the Guru either when many did in chaurasi. Point remains that your a little nobody who is lost. If anything it's people like you which I find disgusting, all the preachers and Gurmukhs carry out their parchar according to Gurmat, they use Gurbani pangtiya and perfectly explain them. You on the other hand like to show so much eerka only because you have achieved nothing what so ever. If you did then you wouldn't be sitting behind a computer. I am serious, go out there and present yourself in front of a Gurdwara, in front of the Sangat in Maharajs' hazoori and in front of the parcharaks/Gurmukhs and say everything you just said word for word. People like you think Sikhi is a joke and that it's ok to have your own manmat views but you should do Ardaas that may Guru Ji fix your cynical views.

Well Inderjit the reason I said it 1 or 2 days ago was because I could see what was going to happen. The signs, 2 days ago, all pointed to some major pinnochio level lies coming our way. I just wanted us to be ready for them this time around because for the last 30 years that trodden on us like ants and then lied about it but all we've ever responded with is males marching, shouting a slogan, and moving their right arm in an upward and forward motion. This response has failed us miserably for the last 30 years. My only hope was that this time we could foresee the lies Baadal was about to spin and be ready for them with eye-catching media ready responses.

The Akalis have not forgotten the sheer humiliation they recieved when they came to North America recently. Now they are taking their revenge by saying NRI Sikhs must be behind this.

If more of them step out the impact would increase even more.

I'm sure every Sikh in the globe called it. They can't pin it on Pakistan lol so now let's look for another scapegoat. What a bunch of tossers.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/bargari-case-cracked-2-brothers-with-foreign-links-held/story-e0IyIpulP2azF7pxANRUyK.html "Police on Tuesday evening announced the arrest of two Sikh brothers, allegedly having links with foreign radicals, for the October 12 desecration of Guru Granth Sahib at Bargari village in Faridkot district the first case of sacrilege that sparked protests across Punjab. Prime accused Rupinder Singh and Jaswinder Singh had been taken into custody five days ago, after their phone calls with their US, Australia and Dubai-based handlers were initially intercepted by cops, top government sources told HT. Rupinder, who hails from Panjgrain village in Faridkot district, was admitted to Apollo hospital in Ludhiana after he was injured in the Kotkapura clash last week. During his hospitalisation also, the accused was receiving calls from his handlers, with whom they were discussing the delivery of cash, sharing details of bank account etc, police sources said. Meanwhile, in a hurriedly convened press conference, deputy chief minister Sukhbir Singh Badal said the Punjab government would unearth all conspiracies behind the desecration at Bargari village that had led to widespread emotional outbursts across the state. Flanked by a battery of senior Akali leaders such as Ranjit Singh Brahmpura, Sukhdev Singh Dhindsa, Balwinder Singh Bhunder, Sikander Singh Maluka and Virsa Singh Valtoha, the deputy CM said the state government would arrest all culprits behind the incidents of sacrilege. This conspiracy was conceived by rogue elements. It was an attack on the Sikh community. But we are committed to expose such elements and punish them. We will not let these elements succeed in their designs, a visibly emotional Sukhbir said. Additional director general of police (crime) IPS Sahota, who is also heading a special investigation team (SIT) set up to probe incidents of sacrilege, said of the seven cases, police had cracked five. Following a tip-off that the accused brothers were missing, their cell phones were placed under surveillance. Rupinder and his brother had been talking to their handlers abroad and discussing the payment promised to them for their act of sacrilege, police said. The ADGP claimed that foreign links of the accused had been established during the initial investigation. The police said they had unearthed clear and concrete evidence of foreign funding behind heinous cases of sacrilege and that anti-national elements were using some greedy persons to lure them to carry out designs of disturbing peace and communal harmony in the state. The incidents at Kohrian (Sangrur), Nijjarpura (Amritsar), Ghawaddi (Ludhiana) and Baath (Tarn Taran) were of local origin, police said. Replying to a query, police denied any link between the Bargari incident and the controversy over pardon to Dera Sacha Sauda chief Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh by the Sikh clergy. The police also shared audio clips of the telephonic conversation between Rupinder and his foreign handler and between Rupinder (9217660002) and Jaswinder, who was using his relative Gurbachan Singhs number (9872214055). Rupinder talked to his brother on October 16 at 10:45am and to his handler in Australia on October 15 at 10:37am." Looool, so now 'foreign radicals' are behind this beadbi! In otherwords, theyre tryna say khalistani sikhs r behind the beadbi of guru ji all over panjab. MASSIVE facepalm!! Erm if an australian sikh from sydney wanted to do beadbi of guru ji saroop, wats stoppin em frm doin it in sydney gurdwara? This is without doubt, some of the dumbest news and lies they have ever come out with. Just look at the dirty gangus in the comments section of that sh!t article, frothin at the mouth at the bullsh!it news. Embarassing!

because it wasn't those named, do you remember 22 year Bhai Rupinder Singh who broke his back/injured it seriously in Kotakpura and came back the next day instead of going for treatment it's him and his brother Jaswinder Singh who have been fitted up for this we have the proof that they didn't do it ...a mad person would risk discovery or injury at a dharna ..... https://www.facebook.com/SikhVoice/photos/a.591953094192345.1073741838.318449181542739/901848866536098/?type=3&theater

That's saddening news. Seeing stuff like this happen EVEN during the so called "tolerant" age of India is utterly horrific. Words fail to describe how upsetting it is to see that. Once again it shows how every part of the caste system is nothing but a cancer on society. The entire tree of the so called "caste system" should be uprooted, burned and then the ashes reduced to nothingness.

Respect to samantha rea from vice.com. However that bbc article is written if u notice by some indian sellout "singh", writing typically falsehood and using stupid words like "hardliners" n "militants". Bbc r pathetic organisation, who STILL havnt written an article on the troubles in panjab, by a british based journo. Instead its some cr@ppy piece by some bias freshy on india payroll.

TOO LITTLE TOO LATE! They can shove it! Did anybody listen to nihals show 2day on jagmeets actions? Wat load of tosh it was, u had that stupid "sikh" mp from n.ireland, who is of no relevance to any1, comin on the show sayin how sikhs r not under oppression in panjab/india. He used that same cr@ppy gangu arguement of "panjab is mostly sikh, has a sikh party and sikh CM running it".....BORING!! Wat a fuddu he was, by that account then saddam hussein never invaded kuwait/saudi, chemically gassed kurdish ppl and had a 10year war with iran, it was all fake, coz after all they are ALL muslims! Then u had that mug nihal sayin that SAME OLD TIRED argument of, "u sikhs dont even have a single sikh mp in parliament" etc. ERM r we suppose to vote for sikh mps just bcoz theyre names r sikhs n r from a sikh family, despite them NEVER championing sikh issues? Paul uppal is that same tw@t who NEVER once called the sikh genocide a genocide, n has more love for his tory job than his sikh religion. Yet white mps like pat mcfadden and tom watson have done more for sikhs than any of our dumb "sikh" mps have. Well done to all singhs/kaurs who rang up and repped the truth! Well done to jagmeet aswel for challenging the BBC on their own bbc radio platform n challenging nihal too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06hj12c

That's it write everything else, but don't support that caste has no place in Sikhi."In our religion a rishta is not built upon infatuation anyways, you should marry someone who's family has the same mindset as you." Oh chup Kar, siddi kio nai kendi same caste, as obviously that's what you mean but are saying it in a fancy way. Caste has no place in Sikhi, full stop ....

SikhSangat.com admins can you please put a stop to this casteist dscussions on your website as per your policies and give a warning to the trouble makers who constantly spoil the atmosphere here on any thread with their hindu caste oriented mindset.

Some people here need serious treatment for their dogmatic casteist nature.