Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

[HeatSikhingMissile]

the truth is that the one who do not obey guru ji's order can never call himself a sikh...

Hate to burst your bubble there champ, but by all means he can be called a 'Sikh', a Sikh means 'learner', just because someone doesn't get as good a grade as someone else in a classroom does not mean he is not a student. He may not be called Khalsa, but he is Sikh. Furthermore the TRUTH is that you are no one to determine who IS and IS NOT Sikh, just because you keep your kesh does not make you some authoritive figure on determining who is in and out of Sikhi making it your own personal club.

[Medallion Stallion]

Sikh means learner..............the problem is most havent started learning yet or dont want to learn............so whats point of calling yourself sikh if you have no interest in sikhi..........

[Punjabi_Link]

Sikh means learner..............the problem is most havent started learning yet or dont want to learn............so whats point of calling yourself sikh if you have no interest in sikhi..........

What if one is trying to learn, but on a slower pace? Would you still consider him/her a Sikh then? Who is exactly can be a Sikh? I think we need to find a good definition of who is a Sikh from the Sikh leaders and Sikh scholars. These type of questions need to be answered ASAP.

[HeatSikhingMissile]

Sikh means learner..............the problem is most havent started learning yet or dont want to learn............so whats point of calling yourself sikh if you have no interest in sikhi..........

So you've reduced the teachings 10 generations of Guru into an either/or based on one single tenant of the faith? I'm sorry, but speaking in absolutes is a sign of ignorance. And you might possibly have a point....maybe....if keeping kesh and keski was the FIRST rule of Sikhi, right out the gate, had Guru Nanak made that the first rule....interestingly enough, it came as one of the last orders from the 10th and final living Guru. Yet here you are, making it the first in order to be a Sikh, I find that laughable, but interesting. I'm afraid you might have things backward.

[Medallion Stallion]

Sikh means learner..............the problem is most havent started learning yet or dont want to learn............so whats point of calling yourself sikh if you have no interest in sikhi..........

So you've reduced the teachings 10 generations of Guru into an either/or based on one single tenant of the faith? I'm sorry, but speaking in absolutes is a sign of ignorance. And you might possibly have a point....maybe....if keeping kesh and keski was the FIRST rule of Sikhi, right out the gate, had Guru Nanak made that the first rule....interestingly enough, it came as one of the last orders from the 10th and final living Guru. Yet here you are, making it the first in order to be a Sikh, I find that laughable, but interesting. I'm afraid you might have things backward.

i never said i reduced the teachings you said that.......i just offered my opinion and you went off on one!

[skepticSikh]

forget it. why do you care what somebody else thinks of you? esp. on a forum?

[Jagdeep Singh]

Your just looking to find a way to not take amrit because you love maya and the pleasures it gives you, guru sahib said the first order is to take amrit, sure jathas n stuff are messing us up but ull be more messed up if u didnt take amrit in the first place

[dasmesh_regiment]

no one is any trouble.

please encourage people instead of putting them down all the time

its a balance

sant bhindranwale used to use both methods to persuade people. he also used humour. if you appear to be unreasonable then how do you expect to persuade someone else to become like you?

[Goli Da Vair Sada]

heatsikhing missile

from first to last all ORDERS as u put it are as valid as the other.

[HeatSikhingMissile]

heatsikhing missile

from first to last all ORDERS as u put it are as valid as the other.

So in order to be called "Sikh" you have to have never sinned in that case......then I guess Sikhs are extinct as certainly you are not a Sikh either....