Tarmalaey ?

[munjoth]

khalsa ji you keep refering to gursikhs, sant, mahapurkhs and other great abhyaasis and books, gurbani says: trigun saaba dhaat hai par par kari vichaar mukt kavi naah hovei naah paen mauk dwaar - you can read all the books you want in this trigun but you wont ever get mukt, you have to take the gurus mat not a mans.

Everything the sangat achieves is practical before there eyes, as stated before how can the sangat be drinking amrit because bhai saab said so? The same amrit the punj give, exactly 100% taste on the inside. Gurbani talks about amrit raas all the way through. Again veer ji, you can ask bhai ajit singh anything you wish. You are right that i dont want to be phoning india because it is a waste of swaas, i don't have any doubts as guru granth sahib ji is the only assurance i need.

Yes there is a university being made in india moga that will be 5 years - the person would go there for 5 years to do abhyaas and practically walk this path.

[Mehtab Singh]

Count me in also how much to join and can I pay by credit card?

We accept only cash, that too in person and upfront. The cost amount is as of now confidential.

[munjoth]

Another practical example of gurbani: manmat varo naam raas peevo - let go of your own mat and drink this raas. Food for thought something has to give how can roughly 300 people all from different places round the uk be drinking this raas, because if you take the gurus mat he will give you his gifts. As we spoke in the other thread just talking about what my family have gained: Amrit raas, anhad shabad HOW did we gain these gifts? Took the gurus mat - done shabad abhyaas - and started gaining these gifts.

The akath katha is openly available on www.simran.info - 2 jugtis are available there: swaas swaas and swaas giraas but not rom rom.

If you take the time to listen to this akath katha we can then discuss what is being preached, i feel that maybe we are jumping to conclusions before actually listening our selves.

[munjoth]

Sorry i forgot to reply on the amrit sanchaar and the sants doing the siphai course, lets discuss this abit.

Those sants are now practicing to be siphais, this will eventually include the following: they would basically get duties from vaheguru and then have to leave his/her body and go where ever vaheguru puts them to do that duty, this can be anywhere in this universe. The purpose for the khanda bhati da amrit is because amrit is food for the mind and as they are leaving there astool (physical) bodies they need food for the sukhum (unseen) body when they are out doing duties and this is amrit that is given by the punj

[Akaali]

Mehtab Singh please don't include jokes in such a topic.

[munjoth]

talikhaak, veer ji it is not his fault. This happens because people hear about a person doing parchaar and automatically assume its some type of dera,cult,baba kind of thing. That is why we should not follow any human as they won't give you naam only the satguru can: bin naami mukt naa pavai koei bin satgur ko naam naa pai.

As for sant, there are two types in gurbani - kaal di sant and akaal di sant, gurbani says that the sants of kaal will only be after money they will never understand this akath katha but only be out for themselves: sant anaari maya naal looji

The duty of a real sant is they are here to help us get across this bhav sagar and if they dont help people cross the bhavsagar they will get a very grave saja (punishment).

These sants that wear white chola have even fooled the 5 demons, the 5 demons have captured every joon but they were fooled by the white clothing as they believed them to be holymen but kaal told the 5 demons to check if these holymen had the pravana (Naam) and when they did it turned out that they to where choor (thieves) living in this body without naam: bin naama saab choor.

[Mehtab Singh]

Sorry

[khalistan_zindabaad]

interesting. . .any1? now you have sum1 giving answers. why not pose questions at them?

lol.

[munjoth]

This is correct the way they do simran is from a hindu text,technique im not sure its a type of mantar that is what I was told by a respected elder,one Sikh who you may have seen at Southall Gurdwara got up and questioned this so called Bhai Saab infront of Sangat ,but no one backed him and his bezthi was done in front of the diwan,since then he was put to shame by all of swindon gangs followers,as of now he is no longer amritdhari and has drifted away from Sikhism,those of you who visit Singh Sabha Southall may have seen him doing seva there - big bloke 6 foot ,now hes shaved his head and given up due to tanuts from swindon bhai saab gang.

^^

SaRpAnCh ji could you please narrate to me when this event took place, what was actually asked as I regularly attend diwans at swindon and at the havlok gurdwara and to my own knowledge this has never occured, could you describe time/dates as well as what was asked. We want to walk with the gurus mat, if something here that has been stated did not happen this will go down as nindya, which in turn will cause us sajaa by vaheguru as we have read this.

[munjoth]

kh@ls@ ji could you please post the name of the mahapurkh that you spoke to in india as well as the gursikhs you would like me to contact. Before i had seen it as a waste of swaas but maybe contacting these gurmukhs in india we can see what aspect of this parchaar is durmat as we dont want to argue but spread guru granth sahib jis akath katha vichaar through out.