Do You Have Questions For Baba Jagjit Singh Ji?

[SunSingh]

Discussion with Sant Jagjit Singh Ji Harkhowale (2nd part):

1. Our Sukhsam sirar ( 2nd astral layer of body) is it jarr(void/cannot give energy on its own to itself) or chaitan (supported by atma) ?

- Sant ji said, sukhsam sirar is also jarr along with panj tats/five elements, karan sirar(3rd layer of body) as well as maya. For example: All bulbs are dead without electric current, take all the layers of our body, maya as bulbs, an electric current being atma. Without atma, its all dead(jar).

Sukhsam sirar is just subtle form of five elements we are made of- sky, air, fire, water, earth. And 3rd layer-Karan Sirar is even more subtle form of sukhasam sirar(2nd layer).

2. Shabad Guru talks about anand/paramanad/vismaad avastha, are they under anandmay kosh(sheat) or above than anandmay kosh?

- Sant ji said, they are not part of anandmaykos, there are three types of anand- peraie, mod, parmod.

a) Peeraie Anand - Peeraie anand would be for eg- Mother who just heard a news from a freind that she has seen her son, by listening to that - anand/happiness she gets thats peeraie anand.

b) Mod Anand: When mother gets united with her son, that anand she gets by hugging her is mod anand.

c) Parmod anand: When mother feeds her children, that anand she gets by that, thats called parmod anand.

Sant ji said, all these three types of anand is also applied to spirituality for eg:

- When we hear(sunan) har ki katha (katha of vahiguroo) we get peeraie anand.

- When we apply(mannan) spiritual discourses to our lives we get mod anand.

- When we act upon/contemplate(nidasan) on spiritual discourses that anand avastha is parmod avastha.

Now above all three types of anand, state is called vismaad avastha, which cannot be explained or described, people call it by different names wonderful, sauban, vah vah.

All the mantars means the same may sound differntly: some orders of christianity say it wonderful, some orders in jaudism its jewoh, for muslims its suban, for hindu its ascharj, our sikhs have- vahiguroo.

There are two types of names of Vahiguroo-

Kirtam naam - derived from attributes of God

Akirtam Naam: Its one meaning that shared by all.

All five koshas directly belongs to three layers of body- anmaykosh relates to physical body(made of 5 elements), pranmaykosh, manmaykos, vigyankosh belongs to subtle body(sukhsam sirar(made of 17 elements) and finally anandmay kosh belongs to karan sirar (made of illusion). All koshas exist in agyan avastha, in gyan avastha there is only one and one atma which is above all- 5 elements/5 senses/5 karam indraes/5 prans/5 koshas/man/chit/budh.

3. When we do dhyaan of atma, we get atam anand, does that also comes under anandmay kos?

- Sant ji said, When we do shabad abhyaas, our mind gets directly attached to atma. Anandmay kosh which is through sukhopati avastha that is also supported by atma, however one is direct and ever lasting and other is indirect and depends on the change. for eg- In anandmay kosh which is through sukhopati avastha, son gets anand seeing her mother, hugging her mother, being fed by his mother but when mother dies, where is the anand? There is no change in atam anand, its one ras(without change) as compare to anand in sukhopati avastha which we see anand coming from materialstic things, human being which are not permanent.

4. Whats the best technique to take birthi(dhyaan) above from all the senses and koshas(sheats) into realm of atma? is it sitting in one place doing shabad abhyas along with nirgun upasana for hrs or with help of bibek buddhi start doing vichar on atma that atma is everywhere, all around us, in each of us while eating, sleeping, walking, talking?

- Sant ji said, when birthi(dhyaan/concentration) is vulnerable to thoughts coming in and out as as result mind wandering in all directions then its recommended to sit in asan and do abhyaas along with nirgun upasana. When birthi (dhyaan) becomes solid/merges in atma then there is no need to sit in meditaiton, one can do vahiguroo dhyaan, nirgun upasana while by sitting, walking, talking, working. However, you see sant mahatamas who are in bhramgyan stage sitting down in samadhi, there is no need for them to sit and do dhyaan of vahiguroo they can fully do it while eating, sleeping, walking, talking. The reason they still sit in samadhi despite of their attainment of highest state so that their students doesnt go astray by copying their style.

5. When jaigaso dies who have all his/her life did prema bhakti, shabad abhyaas. However still couldnt quite get to jevan mukht avasta. At the moment of death, he/she passes away reciting shabad or simran. What will be his/her status after death? would he/she get vedah mukht avastha which is total merge with vahiguroo, not coming back to this world ?

- Sant ji said, without jevan mukht, vedah mukht is not possible. Without bhramgyan, vedah mukht(total merge with vahiguroo) its not possible. If jaiagaso dies without reaching its desintation, jaiagaso will take birth in gurmukh family and continue its journey from the point, jaigaso left off. Sant ji said, even yogbrist (person who was in spirituality once but went astray) get a chance from vahiguroo to resume where he/she left off.

** Below questions are one of premis on sikhsangat.com

6. In Kalyug, can Sachkhand be attained without Khande Batte Da Amrit ?

- Sant ji said, whoever did naam di kaamie from any bhek will attain sackhand. There are many ways to meet Vahiguroo, whosoever did naam kaamie after receiving spiritual discourses from saints will get to sachkhand. However, there is only condition, sant/mahapursh should be pooran gyanvan/bhramgyani. He/she could be from any matt, jatt/patt.

7. Did the devi/devtae (Krishan Bhagwan etc) attain Sachkhand, if so how, because in Bachitar Natak Guru Ji states they all got lost in maya and that why Guru Ji had to come?

- Sant ji said, krishan maharaj is also avtar of vahiguroo, he is always in sachkhand. Wherever he steps, that place becomes sachkhand.

8. Are the bhatts/bhagats who have their writings in Guru granth Sahib Ji, actually the Devi/Devtae reborn and attained SachKhand through Guru Ji?

- Sant ji said, guru maharaj took gurbani from bhagats who were mukht(liberated). They were mukht before sri guru nanak dev ji came in physical form. Vahiguroo is only one, vahiguroo is the one takes avtar from ages to ages. Some people call him narsingh, raam, krishan, sri guru nanak dev ji etc there all one. To see any distination or have any partiality is work of agyani pursh(ignorant ones) not aim or work of gyanvan bhramgyanis.

**Below question to sant ji asked by one of premis on sikhawarneess.com

9. When vaikhiya of shabad surat dhun chela was done, you advised that surat in this shabad context came from sorotar akhar(word) when we recite japji sahib there is tuk- Manaie Surat hovaie mann buddh. In that tuk, guru maharaj is talkin about surati or soratar?

- Sant ji said, whatever we hear thats surat gyan, in which medium you are hearing, eg- ears thats sarotar. When we hear, whatever we heard goes inside that becomes birthi. If you listen to bad lyrics, bad songs, materialstic stuff, birthi will also becomes materialstic, when we hear katha of vahiguroo, birthi will also become shud, will be attracted towards vahiguroo bhajan/bandagi.

from www.sikhawareness.com

[xHarinder_singh]

Gurbani is the vedas, puranas,smrities , shastars for gursikhs. All bani other than Satguru jee is kachiii.

Vedas, koran, bible etc do have some correct things in them but the gurmat naam is so powerful that just by doing some kamaye of this naam, one automatically gets to know all these things.

It is the inferiority complex and the lack of kamayee of gurmat naam that sikhs want to read or listen to vedas. They will call a person like me kattar or intolerant, hahahaha.

Regarding sants, yes meeting and listening to a true sant does help, but the type of sants we have these days, its pretty tough to trust them. Thats my personal opinion. These sants are always to do parchar in Uk, usa, canada but there are lakhs of prospective sikhs in karnataka, andhra pradesh etc but I doubt they go there and do parchar.

Than why are you complaining on here and spoiling this thread? Go to Baba Jagjit Singh ji, who does prachaar in India most of the year and comes out here to do prachaar as well, and tell him where to go do prachaar. Go tell all the sants.

You're implying he's dodgy in some way without even having met him. If you're not, than why the above post?? You dislike something he said, had no personal attack to use against him, and decided to do general nindya of the stereotypical sant that people love to bash. It's ok if you disagree with what he said, but if you're not going to engage in constructive discussion, please leave the thread alone.

Alright bro, cool down! All the best to you and your sant jee!

I am also planning to become a sant in the next couple of years, so may be u people can call me to uk, usa and also post my views on forums.

[xHarinder_singh]

I am planning to hire some pandit, learn the complex things in vedas, learn complex sanskrit words, talk about atma liv leenta, atamannand, vairat upaasnaa, pratbimb, acharya akhandtaa, kaamaa sutra poornima, shiv-ling jagriti karan, atama rahaysa avastha, chakra jagriti karan,etc and become a scholar.

But the reality is that

Naam bina sab koor gallan hochiyaan.

The tukk "vedah meh naam uttam" , some people translate it as naam is called supreme in vedic text.

But I feel this tuk mean out of all vedas, the naam that can be ONLY be recieved from the house of GURU NANAK DEV JEE is uttam(supreme).

Then there is a tukk "ved kateb kaho matt jhoote, jhootha jo na bechare".

I feel this tukk means "say vedas and kateb to be false and false is the person who doesnt realize the falseness of these religious text".

All text other than Satguru Jee is KACHAAA.

And Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaaj is the ONLY Satguru.

RAJ KAREGA KHALSA

[Matheen]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa!

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

xHarinder_singh: Veer Ji, you are welcome to your opinion and good luck to you in your journey. However, there is no need to spoil this very informative thread with your rants. Open another thread if you want.

Sunsingh: thanks for posting these conversations with Sant Ji. I learnt a lot from them.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa!

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

[curious_man]

I am planning to hire some pandit, learn the complex things in vedas, learn complex sanskrit words, talk about atma liv leenta, atamannand, vairat upaasnaa, pratbimb, acharya akhandtaa, kaamaa sutra poornima, shiv-ling jagriti karan, atama rahaysa avastha, chakra jagriti karan,etc and become a scholar.

But the reality is that

Naam bina sab koor gallan hochiyaan.

The tukk "vedah meh naam uttam" , some people translate it as naam is called supreme in vedic text.

But I feel this tuk mean out of all vedas, the naam that can be ONLY be recieved from the house of GURU NANAK DEV JEE is uttam(supreme).

Then there is a tukk "ved kateb kaho matt jhoote, jhootha jo na bechare".

I feel this tukk means "say vedas and kateb to be false and false is the person who doesnt realize the falseness of these religious text".

All text other than Satguru Jee is KACHAAA.

And Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaaj is the ONLY Satguru.

RAJ KAREGA KHALSA

haha... so Bhagat Farid Ji... who followed Islamic discipline.. didnt have full gyan??... because he beleived in Koran??

Guru ji added his bani !!

Get veechar on this shabad:

raag raamukulee mehulaa 5 ghur 2

Raag Raamkalee, Fifth Mehl, Second House:

ik ounkaar sathigur prusaadh

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

chaar pukaarehi naa thoo maanehi

The four Vedas proclaim it, but you don't believe them.

khutt bhee eaekaa baath vukhaanehi

The six Shaastras also say one thing.

dhus asuttee mil eaeko kehiaa

The eighteen Puraanas all speak of the One God.

taa bhee jogee bhaedh n lehiaa

Even so, Yogi, you do not understand this mystery. ||1||

kinkuree anoop vaajai

The celestial harp plays the incomparable melody,

jogeeaa muthuvaaro rae

but in your intoxication, you do not hear it, O Yogi. ||1||Pause||

ANYWYS.. if u want to carry on ure discussion... open a new thread.. and let the veechar begin..

Till then .. WJKK WJKF

[xHarinder_singh]

I am planning to hire some pandit, learn the complex things in vedas, learn complex sanskrit words, talk about atma liv leenta, atamannand, vairat upaasnaa, pratbimb, acharya akhandtaa, kaamaa sutra poornima, shiv-ling jagriti karan, atama rahaysa avastha, chakra jagriti karan,etc and become a scholar.

But the reality is that

Naam bina sab koor gallan hochiyaan.

The tukk "vedah meh naam uttam" , some people translate it as naam is called supreme in vedic text.

But I feel this tuk mean out of all vedas, the naam that can be ONLY be recieved from the house of GURU NANAK DEV JEE is uttam(supreme).

Then there is a tukk "ved kateb kaho matt jhoote, jhootha jo na bechare".

I feel this tukk means "say vedas and kateb to be false and false is the person who doesnt realize the falseness of these religious text".

All text other than Satguru Jee is KACHAAA.

And Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaaj is the ONLY Satguru.

RAJ KAREGA KHALSA

haha... so Bhagat Farid Ji... who followed Islamic discipline.. didnt have full gyan??... because he beleived in Koran??

Guru ji added his bani !!

Get veechar on this shabad:

raag raamukulee mehulaa 5 ghur 2

Raag Raamkalee, Fifth Mehl, Second House:

ik ounkaar sathigur prusaadh

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

chaar pukaarehi naa thoo maanehi

The four Vedas proclaim it, but you don't believe them.

khutt bhee eaekaa baath vukhaanehi

The six Shaastras also say one thing.

dhus asuttee mil eaeko kehiaa

The eighteen Puraanas all speak of the One God.

taa bhee jogee bhaedh n lehiaa

Even so, Yogi, you do not understand this mystery. ||1||

kinkuree anoop vaajai

The celestial harp plays the incomparable melody,

jogeeaa muthuvaaro rae

but in your intoxication, you do not hear it, O Yogi. ||1||Pause||

ANYWYS.. if u want to carry on ure discussion... open a new thread.. and let the veechar begin..

Till then .. WJKK WJKF

Farid Ji in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Maharaj was sam-kali of Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaj. He was a successor of the sect of Baba Farid of 12th century. Giani Gurdit Singh has proved it very nicely in his book that all bhagats met Guru Nanak Dev Jee and took Gurmat Naam from him.

Regarding vedas, well the english translations are not the most reliable. Even in english translations, in most places there is only khandan of vedas. The bani of vedas is kachi and is limited to 3 gunnas of Maya.

These days sikhs just try to act goody-goody and "secular" and try to shout to the world that "our holy book contains writings of hindus and muslims, we accept the holiness of vedas and koran".

Anyways, thats it for me. I am not gonna debate about it anymore. Jo jee kardaa karrooo. Ved parro, simriti parroo, ramayan de paath karo, ghar vich shivling rakho,

whatever..., all the best.

qRY gux bwxI byd bIcwru ]

thrai gun baanee baedh beechaar ||

The mortal thinks about the Vedic teachings of the three gunas, the three dispositions.

ibiKAw mYlu ibiKAw vwpwru ]

bikhiaa mail bikhiaa vaapaar ||

He deals in corruption, filth and vice.

mir jnmih iPir hoih KuAwru ]

mar janamehi fir hohi khuaar ||

He dies, only to be reborn; he is ruined over and over again.

gurmuiK qurIAw guxu auir Dwru ]4]

guramukh thureeaa gun our dhhaar ||4||

The Gurmukh enshrines the glory of the supreme state of celestial peace. ||4||

[N30S1NGH]

Can admins of this forum make sure members stick to the topic at hand, don't let people ruin this thread with useless off topics bickering. xharinder singh benti on your charans if you have any problem with sants or their parchar in general..please create another thread.. i ll try my best to answers your concerns.

[apne]

My question:

Various avtaars existed before in various yugs such as Ram Chanderji in Treta, Krishnaji in Duapar and there were Shiva Vishnu etc. in different times. They all came from God but differed in their thought and action but were in a continuous line of one action.

Now Guru Nanak was born in Kalyug and there was no other avtaar in Kalyug as last was Krishna in duapar yug. So why is Sikhi not considered continutation of Sanathan Dharama (Eternal Law from the beginning)? If Gurbani accepts existence of all these avtaars and their actions and teaches study of Vedas , why Guru Granth Sahib is not the fifth veda? Four vedas + one granth = 5 = 5 piare=Sikhi=Sanathan Dharama.

Gurbani existed before Guru Nanak, that means it is not exclusive to Guru Nanak. Gurmukhs existed before Guru Nanak, they are not his creation. Does that mean Sikhi is another reform movement like Shaivism? and continuation of Sanathan Dharama (Eternal law from beginning)?

Why sri chand and lakhmi chand did not listen to Guru Nanak's advise? Why did Sri Chand become a recluse and Lakhmi Chand a maya loving person? Sri Chand did not follow Guru Nanak's teachings entirely but still gained salvation. Does that mean mukti is possible outside path of Guru Nanak? That should mean Guru Nanak's path is not the only path and is one of many paths of same journey i.e Sanathan Dharma?

What is then the role of Dasam Pitah in all this continuous drama? Was he lying when he said that he was sent by Parbrahm into this world with a special mission? Was that mission protecting Sanathan Dharma of Vishnu, Ram, Krishna from extinction from the hands of Mughals? If he was protecting Santhan Dharma then why the followers of Sanathan Dharama, the Hill Rajas, complained to Aurangzeb against him and it was only after their complaint that he directed the Governers of Punjab, Lahore, Kashmir etc. to proceed against Guru ji. Then is not martyrdom of Guru Arjan, Guru Tegh Bahadur, Four Sahibzade, Mata Gujri, Baba Banda Singh Bahadur, Bhai Mati Das, Bhai Sati Das, Bahi Mani Singh, Bhai Taru Singh, Lakhs of Shahhed Singhs of Ghalughare and others because of political compulsions? Even Sahu (son of Shivaji) killed in same manner as Baba Banda Singh Bahadur.

And among all this why did Guru Gobind Singh said after pahul : aj ton tuhada Karamnaash, Kritnaash, Dharamnaash, Bhramnaash ate Kulnaash? Was he an imposter then? and Singh Sabha a continuation of that fraud? and Nanakshahi calendar a seperatist document? and Sikhs Sanathan Dharmis?

[Matheen]

Questions

Veer Ji, most if not all, of your questions are answered by Guru Ji themselves in Sri Dasam Granth.

[SevaSimranSacrifice]

Can we still ask questions? You going to see him again?