Guru Nanak Dev Ji Born A Non Muslim Thanks To Brave Hindus?

[Starsingh]

I had very interesting talk with a learned Sikh history working at the library in havelock gurdwara and the conversation basically went like this and ended with a question :

1. India was first attcked in 652 by the Turkhs - Muslims

2. Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born a Hindu in 1469

3. Therefore India was defended between 652 - 1469 ( 900 years) by brave HINDUS, which ensured that by the time of Guru Nanaks birth he was born a HINDU

4. Had these HINDUS not defended India so well ( between 652-1469), the whole of PUNJAB would have been Muslim by the time Guru Nanak was born, and he himslef would have been born a Muslim ,and hence no SIKHI???

5. These Punjabi Hindus are our ANCESTORS!!! So who were they? I respect BRAVERY from any religion and race so I give these poeple RESPECT!

BUT WHO WERE THEY? ANYONE KNOW BOUT THIS PERIOD 652 TO 1469?

[Starsingh]

Mods please EDIT my HEADING, as its Guru NANAK not Nanal obviously! its a typo , SORRY

[AK47 JATHA LION]

I wouldnt quite agree with that deffinition. I would say:

1) Guru Nanak was born Not a hindu, but FREE to reject hindu practices.

2)He took birth in accordance to God's Hukkam, not because Hindu armies held off the Mughal rule long enough for the Guru to be Born non-muslim. Although I do believe there must of been a hindu resistance movement in place. But I do not believe it to be major ones. Most were small armies controlled by raja's or princes.

3) As the years went by, the resisting hindu armies were almost all wiped out or many surrendered and accepted mughal rule upon then. Many Princes/rajas accepted titles under the Mughal rule (as many did under British rule many hundreds of years later).

4)Guru Nanak was allways going to be born free to start Sikhi in accordance with God's Hukkam.

5)The region was under Occupational Rule of Mughals for 900 years. But The resistance from Hindu armies was not a major resistance. Even in the later part of the Mughal occupation, the main resistance from hindus was from Shiva Marata and his army. That wasnt a big resistance movement, But it did certainly annoy the mughals.

[SikhSoulja]

My folks keep watching that Pritvhi Raj Chouhan! Does my bloody head in!

[Starsingh]

Oh come on yaar, lets ptu our anti Hindu thought aside for a moment at be FAIR ;

the truth is :

1. Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born a Hindu in 1469, and thats me , a pretty hardcore SIKH admitting it!

Because I understand that you cant change history to suit yourself!

He was raised a Hindu until he started sikhi in 1500.

2. No matter what you say, had these HINDUS not defended India so well for 900 years,

(between 652-1469), the whole of PUNJAB would have been Muslim by the time Guru Nanak was born, and he himself would have been born a Muslim ,and hence no SIKHI???

3. These PUNJABI Hindus are our Ancestors, whose descendants later became sikhs. RESPECT

[Matheen]

The area was all under Mughal rule ........so your friend at the library needs to read more. What did they defend?

You're right that Guru Ji was born to a Hindu family, but didn't follow any of their rituals, even at a young age.

Also, there was no such thing as 'Hinduism' during much of the period mentioned.

[mskcan]

Jeeo,

It is obvious by the very early age Sakhi's of Guru Nanak that he was not born as anything other than Divine Being guided by God. All were his friends and he was enmity to none.

He rejected superstitious practices, and asked that the True Thread be the one of God's Name

We would speak in arrogance if we supposed to know the Purpose and Exaltation of Guru's coming into the world.

Fateh

[Starsingh]

actually it was the Lodhi Kings who were Afghan in control of the region on paper not mughal.

the majority of the region was still Hindu, thanks to resisitance from our punjabi Hindu ancestors

Ps im talkin about the pERIOD UP TO Guru Nanak birth 652 - 1469 !

[Matheen]

actually it was the Lodhi Kings who were Afghan in control of the region on paper not mughal.

the majority of the region was still Hindu, thanks to resisitance from our punjabi Hindu ancestors

Who was the raja when Guru Sahib came into this world? It's pretty clear that the region was under Muslim rule for centuries.

[AK-47]

I think your making a very large assumption that those in charge at the time had a policy of converting EVERYONE to Islam.

Without having read up on this point specifically I would suggest that this was not the case. Later kings/emporers may have/did start on this policy. But during the times of Guru Nanak and upto the date of Maharajh's avtarpurb, it seemed to be more of a kingdom building approach.

I cant recall any sakhi's during maharajhs period of people being forcibily converted to Islam. Other atrocities were committed and qazi's etc were obviously given excessive powers, but I dont think this fits in line with your argument, that all of Punjab would have been muslim by the time Guru Sahib took avtar.

It seems you have made massve leaps and assumptions brother.