To Fellow Sikhs And Hindus

[Mehtab Singh 3,910]

To our fellow Hindu brothers, particularly hinduveer, musicman, dogra et all

When I came here in 2003, I was a clean-shaven Brahmin. Yes, that is correct, I belong to a Punjabi Brahmin family, and was blessed with the Amrit of Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj in 2004. I found extremely loving Sangat on this forum who helped me reach where I am today. Today those same loving Singhs and Singhnees have made a good-for-nothing like me an administrator of this forum. Guess what, my views back then were not too different from what you guys say today. But after being slapped by the ugly truth in the face, I laugh at myself and the views I had back then.

Your anguish at some of the posts over here is understandable as I have been in your shoes in the past. My question is, how about you guys try to be in the shoes of those you argue with? Have you been members of a minority community in your own country? Have you been made fun of throughout your childhood and youth just because you belong to a particular community? Have you gone through a period in human history where the religious appearance of your community became a target to be eliminated? Are there forces attempting to distort the history, philosophy and teachings of your religion? Are there forces out there propagating doctrines that are exactly opposed to what your religion teaches? I could go on and on, but this is just a small fraction of what Sikhs go through. When you don't know what the other person has dealt with or been through, please do not make any assumption. Sikhs have been more than patient towards everything that has been thrown at them since 1947. But this patience should never be tested beyond a point.

Don't get me wrong, neither am I a spokesperson for the Sikhs, not do I speak for all Sikhs on this forum. I don't know any of you personally, so I can't be sure what kind of lives you've lived, and if you've faced any of the scenarios listed above. But lets get one thing straight. For the most part, you probably don't have much of an idea regarding what Sikhs have been through. This forum is thus a platform for you to learn and discuss, rather than get into meaningless arguments.

Let me also emphasize that this is a Sikh forum. As long as the messages posted are in accordance with Gurmat and/or Gurbani, and since Gurbani is the topmost authority for us, we are least bothered as to how offended someone would feel as a result of our Gurmat views. It is never our intention to hurt a single soul, it is in fact a sin to do so. However, if the truth in Gurbani shatters someone's false pride, we are not at all concerned about that. We will continue to speak the truth, come what may.

While we do respect other faiths, don't think that by posting quotes from your religious scriptures you can justify anything to us, because as stated above, as far as Sikhs are concerned, Gurbani is the final word. You are more than welcome to abide by whatever philosophy/knowledge is contained in your holy scriptures. You may share that knowledge with us as well, as that would also be an educative process. However, we are under no obligation to adhere to those esteemed philosophies. Posting quotes from non-Sikh scriptures just to disprove what is said in Gurbani will get you nothing but a permanent ban from this website. So far I don't see it done directly, and I hope we don't need to ban anyone because of that reason.

Now a request for our fellow Sikh brothers (you didn't see this coming, did you?)

I am not sure how many of you grew up among/with Hindus or other non-Sikhs, probably which is why it is easy to demonize them as a foe (for some of you at least). Not every Hindu is out there to prove that Sikhi is a part of Hinduism. Not every Hindu is an RSS agent with ulterior anti-Sikh motives. Not every Hindu wishes chaos on the Khalsa Panth. Yes, what happened in 1984 was done by people who claimed to be Hindus. We have labeled Chandu, Gangu, Indira Gandhi, Sajjan Kumar, Jagdish Tytler etc. as Hindus. What about Longowal, Badal, Gen. Brar, KP Gill, and Beant Sio? Why do we say that they are not Sikhs? Isn't this two-faced hypocrisy?

If you guys post hateful stuff about any non-Sikh community on a Sikh forum, do you really expect them to sit silent? How do you blame them if they come here and kick up a fuss? Every couple of months I see a thread where someone posts a link to a discussion forum on a Hinduism or Islamic website where people are talking garbage about Sikhs or Sikhi. And then we are encouraged to go and post over there! Why the irritation when the tables are turned? You think only we have the right to get mad when our faith is insulted? Aren't others also human beings? Don't they get hurt and offended when we have threads on this forum that serve only the purpose of mocking someone's religious beliefs? Think about it, and remember the phrase that we all learnt as kids, that do unto others as you would like them to do to you. You want others to respect Sikhi and leave your forums alone, YOU NEED TO STOP MAKING FUN OF EVERYTHING THAT THEY REGARD AS HOLY. Is that clear?

If there is anymore thread on this forum that mocks ANY religion (Sikhi or any other), the person who initiates that thread, and anyone who replies in that thread will be banned permanently by me, no matter you are born a Hindu or a Sikh.

Please feel free to grade this post as negatively as possible. The only way out for you is if I am taken off the administratorship of this forum. Until I am around, you speak one more word of hate, and you will beg to see the face of Sikhsangat.com. This is the last warning for ALL you haters out there. Either learn to respectfully agree to disagree with compassion with a fellow human being, or quit posting on this site. I promise you, you will not be missed for a second.

- Mehtab Singh

[jassa 143]

Just reading the post I remember 1 old saying in punjabi "Jo kade kade bolde hai oh hamesha jordar bolde hai"

[hinduveer 20]

I never came here hating on any1, and as u can see from my posts i gave respect to my sikh dharmic brs. i haveen shocked by the Hate many sikhs here hav for hindus, which is wrong and unjustified. hwvr people like jassa, warrior gunman hsdh hav been great. peace

[HDSH 202]

For those who hate reading, pay attention to this in particular

If there is anymore thread on this forum that mocks ANY religion (Sikhi or any other), the person who initiates that thread, and anyone who replies in that thread will be banned permanently by me, no matter you are born a Hindu or a Sikh.

[11Gurus1Jot 176]

Let me also emphasize that this is a Sikh forum. As long as the messages posted are in accordance with Gurmat and/or Gurbani, and since Gurbani is the topmost authority for us, we are least bothered as to how offended someone would feel as a result of our Gurmat views. It is never our intention to hurt a single soul, it is in fact a sin to do so. However, if the truth in Gurbani shatters someone's false pride, we are not at all concerned about that. We will continue to speak the truth, come what may.

While we do respect other faiths, don't think that by posting quotes from your religious scriptures you can justify anything to us, because as stated above, as far as Sikhs are concerned, Gurbani is the final word. Posting quotes from non-Sikh scriptures just to disprove what is said in Gurbani will get you nothing but a permanent ban from this website. So far I don't see it done directly, and I hope we don't need to ban anyone because of that reason.

- Mehtab Singh

Singh Ji, would you mind if I always use the above when I think a Post is Anti Gurmat? You have phrased it in such a clear manner!

[acsap 290]

Very Good Post!!

[Jaggaa 98]

I hate reading but that post was written with so much passion. Great post!

[Mehtab Singh 3,910]

Singh Ji, would you mind if I always use the above when I think a Post is Anti Gurmat? You have phrased it in such a clear manner!

Gurmukho, you don't need my permission, I am no authority, only a mere sevadaar trying to do seva the best he can. Please don't be misled by the title "administrator" I am tagged with.

[gurdssingh 113]

If there is anymore thread on this forum that mocks ANY religion (Sikhi or any other), the person who initiates that thread, and anyone who replies in that thread will be banned permanently by me, no matter you are born a Hindu or a Sikh.

- Mehtab Singh

Thank you Mehtab Singh, It's about time someone from the admin put that in writing. This is a forum so everyone has different views but what really annoys and upsets me is when members in the name of so called religion in their deluded eyes find it justifiable to disrespect and tarnish a whole religion and community. Most Sikhs I know do not hate others of different faiths but when at work my colleuges have seen me visit this site and viewed it they were shocked at the level of HATE and annomosity towards others. Yet we all know what Sikhi preaches.

I'm not singling anyone out but what winds me up proper is when some say Sikhs on here should not tarnish all hindus as the same only a handful are bad and commited attrocities against Sikhs BUT then those hindus make an exception and do exactly the same towards muslims! BTW, read every single one of my posts I have never made a hateful / disrespectful remark to anyone based on their faith or insulted any religion infact the opposite I believe in unity of humankind.

I think everyone firstly needs to become a good human being and have compassion for humanity regardless of race, religion, sex, creed etc. THEN and only then can someone even try to become a good Sikh or whatever religion they belong too.

[Inqlabi 1]

I never came here hating on any1, and as u can see from my posts i gave respect to my sikh dharmic brs. i haveen shocked by the Hate many sikhs here hav for hindus, which is wrong and unjustified. hwvr people like jassa, warrior gunman hsdh hav been great. peace

Who Hate Hindus in this forum ? Name please.

[gurdssingh 113]

Who Hate Hindus in this forum ? Name please.

Well unless I understand a different type of English theres a few who do and target Bahmins. Also theres a few more who vent their hatred towards Muslims, targeting their ammuniation at the prophet Mohammed.

Why not just concentrate on ourselfs?

It's funny how members on here remember the mughals and the recent attrocities the people who belonged to hindu faith commited against Sikhs. What happend to the oppressors in the middle. British raped the land, killed hundreds of thousands, tourtred hundreds of thousands and theres conspiracies regarding other stuff why no one ever hates them?

Oh I forgot we live here.

[Only five 1,121]

Well unless I understand a different type of English theres a few who do and target Bahmins. Also theres a few more who vent their hatred towards Muslims, targeting their ammuniation at the prophet Mohammed.

Why not just concentrate on ourselfs?

It's funny how members on here remember the mughals and the recent attrocities the people who belonged to hindu faith commited against Sikhs. What happend to the oppressors in the middle. British raped the land, killed hundreds of thousands, tourtred hundreds of thousands and theres conspiracies regarding other stuff why no one ever hates them?

Oh I forgot we live here.

Whoever said they like or favor the british for what they did? Sounds like your making things up from thin air and hoping someone would believe what you have to say.

Side note:

My post got deleted....where was the justification to close the original thread and then delete my post in this thread. At random post are being deleted....guideline guys guidelines.....

And Mehtab Singh...its good to keep everything equal...you may have deleted my post for being off topic here....but the same rule should have applied to gurdsingh, instead you liked his post....lol....keep it fair bro

[Singh559 2,646]

Well unless I understand a different type of English theres a few who do and target Bahmins. Also theres a few more who vent their hatred towards Muslims, targeting their ammuniation at the prophet Mohammed.

Why not just concentrate on ourselfs?

It's funny how members on here remember the mughals and the recent attrocities the people who belonged to hindu faith commited against Sikhs. What happend to the oppressors in the middle. British raped the land, killed hundreds of thousands, tourtred hundreds of thousands and theres conspiracies regarding other stuff why no one ever hates them?

Oh I forgot we live here.

You may be referring to my topic on Jesus. Let's be real, just because a person who happened to be a Brahman kicked out the Dalai Lama (who may have been Jesus) doesn't mean i hate on Brahmans. More than anything, it's talking about the mentality over the actual individual...

There are people who go against the Brahman mentality of the caste system like this blessed individual :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPJAHxEssHA

Surely talking about the mentality that is associated with Brahmanism isn't hating on any individual, only the mentality. I agree there's a fine line between hate and exposing.

[Mehtab Singh 3,910]

My post got deleted....where was the justification to close the original thread and then delete my post in this thread. At random post are being deleted....guideline guys guidelines.....

And Mehtab Singh...its good to keep everything equal...you may have deleted my post for being off topic here....but the same rule should have applied to gurdsingh, instead you liked his post....lol....keep it fair bro

Singh, it wasn't me who deleted your post.

[11Gurus1Jot 176]

I think everyone firstly needs to become a good human being and have compassion for humanity regardless of race, religion, sex, creed etc. THEN and only then can someone even try to become a good Sikh or whatever religion they belong too.

You're right, we need to have compassion for humanity regardless of race, religion, sex creed etc. But how come when we talk about the race of people called Sikhs being killed, the people who follow their own Sikh religion being killed, the women and girls of the female gender who were gang rapped in public, and all this happened to thousands and thosands men, women and children, how come then we are told we are bad for having compassion for humanity? Why is it we have to be silent about that compassion? Especially as the people who rapped, burnt, bombed, shot those people are all walking around FREE! But, on the other hand, the indian jails are filled with Sikhs in jails. What about that imbalance!

Do you know how often we feel pain when we realise that so many Sikh Girls and boys, women and men can be murdered rapped without any justice for the murderers and rapist

You tell me how to get rid of that pain, and how to forget all those innocent Sikh Children, women and men, and I will talk to you a sweet as you want me too!

You tell me how to forget and I will never mention it again!

You say we treat the British differently. However, how many of their own citizens have they shot, bombed and raped and burnt in the last 30 years? None what so ever?