IS JAADU TUNA REALLY EXIST ?

[Gurkukar 11]

Talk end on this conclusion that these jaadu tuna effect those who never do path or nitnem ....bani save us from these bad practises...

As shabad says

taati vao na lagye ||

parbharham sharnai ||

[simran345 2,503]

Yes like shraaf or baduba or whatever you call it to the face.

[HSingh 38]

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa! Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Sorry to burst your bubble people but them board's and etc are just gimmicks... as in its not actual magic... As a trained magician (still a amateur though), it is meant just for entertainment purposes... but some people take it a bit to far... some people try to make out they are some next level spiritual person by claiming they can move things with their mind, levitate, know what you are thinking, know someone close to you who has died and speak to them and etc. But they are not spiritual at all, they are not using any powers at all.

I'm not going to tell you all how things are done as that would just ruin the illusion for the people who understand its for entertainment purposes and isn't real at all. However I will tell you that the unholliest person on earth could do it. This is why brown/aisain magicians dont do 'magic' infront of other indians/punjabis, because they start thinking your some kind of demigod or something and have all these next level powers. However western people understand it is just a illusion and its its done to entertain people.... youtube darren brown for the speaking to dead people thing or Dynamo for general street magic like flouting and stuff... Darren brown tells people time and time again it isn't actually real... he is playing games... hes done some next level stuff, but anyone can do it who knows how to. Even stuff like tearing up a newspaper and getting it to rearrange itself to tell you a personal message from a close loved one who is dead that only you would know... it is actually a trick... You can move a object which is on the other side of the room without touching it and you may have never been in that room before... creating fire out of nothing... its still a trick... a illusion...

However I am not saying that there is no such thing as real 'magic'... Very few are the ones who can do it, and the ones who can would have had to meditate for years and years, and even then they wouldn't have such amazing powers as talking to the dead lol. When you die you go to one of the khands... the main ones being Sachkhand if you've been a good little Khalsa... or you go with the jamdooths and get tortured... and face it.. most of us go there... your close dead person is gonna find it hard to talk while being tortured... harsh but true... No relegious person is going to put a curse on you. If for some odd reason you think you have a curse on you, then you have 2 options... visit a mental asylum or do mool mantar, as mool mantar is the most powerful thing ever known to mankind.

So to answer your question doesn't it exist... Not to the level everyone thinks anyways... you most likely will never witness it in your life. This is kalyug... the people with such amazing powers... will never say they have them... people who say they do have them are fake... However yes people can play mind games with you... which is another part of the magic like darren brown does... which is pretty cool, but again its just a trick... He goes out of his way to make sure people know he has no special powers. But the stuff he does is amazing. Punjabi people are so easily tricked, this is why there are so many fake sants and gurus in india. If you dont believe me, arrange to meet me one day and I will talk to your dead ones, freek you out, and then show you exactly how it was done, and then you would be like "omdz lool I cant believe I thought it was real".

So yeh people sorry for the long post, but its really annoying when people think its real, we are all tricksters... just out to entertain people and have some fun. Join in the fun, get entertained, but understand thats all it is... entertainment... just like wrestling on TV... its fake but its ok because everyone knows its fake and they are just there to entertain people and maybe even put a smile on someones face. No self respecting magician will claim they have real powers and pretend to put some curse on you.

Naam jappu, stop worrying about pointless stuff. If you ever see this stuff happen, then look at it like it is a live TV show or something and its just happening for your enjoyment, not to freak you out.

[simran345 2,503]

Thankuji HSingh for that. Years ago one of those type of babeh people said some things like wat i thought was a curse, so i thought maybe that's why me ill so much. But it could just be my karm, and my health. But i did get better with paat, as that is all i or anybody else has to help them. I know everybody gets fed up of hearing me, but wat to do, when so duki, and the pain takes over, you tend to start thinkin Wats goin on, and i f some bad events happened in my life, it always falls back to places that wish nev er went to.now years after stopping and still no joy, it does get make me think, maybe coz of that wat has happened.also been to a mental asylum, not nice places, quite scary, when you can't get there up and move around due to disability, and everybody is running around screaming.

Its just that some people said that sometimes if somebody is affected by black magic, then it can come out as a health condition too, that's what has made me vehmi, paranoid.

If somebody can clarify this and clear my mind, as different people being Sikhs are saying different things to me, thus me being confused.

[HSingh 38]

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa! Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Bhenjee/Bhajee.. sorry dont know which one you are... either way... every single person has had a bad point in there life, and a lot of people even though they seem ok on the outside, are actually suffering day in day out. It doesn't mean some dude in india cursed them lol. It does mean that they are trying to get through life like everyone else... but they just like most people from india have to add a lot of more drama and negativity to it without knowing... You can look at pain in a negative way, and you will never be happy, or you can look at it positively. It is simple to do, just simply change your mindset and think oh well, everything that is happening is good. You are actually very lucky to receive pain, some people do ardaas that they receive pain... you think it might be crazy to do that... but no it isn't... because if we are living life without pain we tend to forget vaheguru... but when we have pain we remember vaheguru... as we are very selfish beings... however it works... so thank vaheguru for your pain. But just change your view on life... be more positive... when something bad happens, understand that its meant to be, and move on. Get a hobby... that helps to stay positive... If you want to share what the exact issue is hopefully a more educated Khalsa here can help you. If it is a personal thing there is a gupt forum, or speaking to someone close to you like you mum might help. Try having a conversation with Akaal.... when nobody else is there... they always are...

[panthicunity 229]

behan simran - jaddo tona shrap etc dont exist - this is all bull c*** , I am a medical doctor you can tell me what your symptoms are in a pm and I can help you with diagnosis / treatment.

to others please stop beliving in this garbage ..... it makes us look feeble minded and imbecile

[HSingh 38]

Ahh you edited your post lol

[GuptUnknown 145]

behan simran - jaddo tona shrap etc dont exist - this is all bull c*** , I am a medical doctor you can tell me what your symptoms are in a pm and I can help you with diagnosis / treatment.

to others please stop beliving in this garbage ..... it makes us look feeble minded and imbecile

lol guess medical doctors know everything? What about the spirtual realm? No such thing as prets I guess.......Giani Maskeen Ji must have been lieing in his books...... Funny thing is, it's all a matter of perception, anyone who has had personal experiences will just laugh at that idea. Medical doctors, will often categorize everything and name everything, even if though do not understand it. They can tell you what is happening, what parts of your brain are more active, also what your behavior may be like, but they often cant explain why in relation to these things. To each their own. Waheguru.

[VanHelsingh 1,983]

HSingh - You're spot on. There's a concept called a self-fulfilling prophecy which ties in nicely with the points you raised, i.e. the person who has been "cursed" basically psyches themselves out to such an extent that if said curse was nothing but a lie, the intended victim believes in their potential downfall to such an extent it actually comes true, such is the power of the mind.

[gurdeepsinghjohal 275]

ਨਾਨਕ ਬੋਲਣੁ ਝਖਣਾ ਦੁਖ ਛਡਿ ਮੰਗੀਅਹਿ ਸੁਖ ॥

ਸੁਖੁ ਦੁਖੁ ਦੁਇ ਦਰਿ ਕਪੜੇ ਪਹਿਰਹਿ ਜਾਇ ਮਨੁਖ ॥

ਜਿਥੈ ਬੋਲਣਿ ਹਾਰੀਐ ਤਿਥੈ ਚੰਗੀ ਚੁਪ ॥੨॥

Everybody seeks happiness, but sorrow and happiness are two clothes people. You will feel both but when sorrow/bad times comes people want to get rid of it quickly but everything in life has time. Bad time makes manmukh weak and he/she starts running in search of happiness. Everything that you get in your life sorrows or happiness is result of your deeds. If you are in best phase of life you do any wrong, nothing will happen to you, but when time changes bad time comes you do good, bad will be the payback.

People think what I have done wrong, but when you are in your high time you do so many bad you don't remember.

There is no jadu/tona, its your deed that comes in your way.

[DSGj 339]

ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਅਬ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥ ਜਬ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਤਉ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥ ਮਨ ਮਾਨੇ ਲੋਗੁ ਨ ਪਤੀਜੈ ॥ ਨ ਪਤੀਜੈ ਤਉ ਕਿਆ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੩॥੭॥

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ਮਾਥੇ ਤਿਲਕੁ ਹਥਿ ਮਾਲਾ ਬਾਨਾਂ ॥ ਲੋਗਨ ਰਾਮੁ ਖਿਲਉਨਾ ਜਾਨਾਂ ॥੧॥ ਜਉ ਹਉ ਬਉਰਾ ਤਉ ਰਾਮ ਤੋਰਾ ॥ ਲੋਗੁ ਮਰਮੁ ਕਹ ਜਾਨੈ ਮੋਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਤੋਰਉ ਨ ਪਾਤੀ ਪੂਜਉ ਨ ਦੇਵਾ ॥ ਰਾਮ ਭਗਤਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਿਹਫਲ ਸੇਵਾ ॥੨॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਜਉ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਮਨਾਵਉ ॥ ਐਸੀ ਸੇਵ ਦਰਗਹ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵਉ ॥੩॥ ਲੋਗੁ ਕਹੈ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਬਉਰਾਨਾ ॥ ਕਬੀਰ ਕਾ ਮਰਮੁ ਰਾਮ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾਂ ॥੪॥੬॥

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You won't believe anything unless you have experienced something yourself, witnessed something yourself or trust someone else's accounts of their experiences.

Many people (like some on this forum), are writing off and denying spiritual moments, JUST BECAUSE they themselves never experienced anything.

That's practically what atheism is all about. Anything and everything anti-spiritual/mystical, just because of a lack of personal experience.

It's typical missionary/tarksheel/kala-afghana mindset.

You guys really need to read more books and hear katha from Sants, Mahapurshs, BrahmGianis, etc.

If you are denying ghosts/magic...then you will also end up denying much of Guru Sahib's life experiences and highly-spiritual Sikhs' experiences as well as the concept of Shaheed Singhs.

There is no need to go back far, just go back to Giani Sant Singh Maskeen Jee's life.....or...Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Jee's life (as well as his companions).

Are they liars?

How about Baba Nand Singh Jee? Baba Thakur Singh Jee? Baba Attar Singh Jee?

There are many stories of flying, being invisble, unlimited quanitites of items, tantric powers, etc.

Don't limit the big picture just because your own experience and mind is limited.

[JSinghnz 1,086]

ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਅਬ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥ ਜਬ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਤਉ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥ ਮਨ ਮਾਨੇ ਲੋਗੁ ਨ ਪਤੀਜੈ ॥ ਨ ਪਤੀਜੈ ਤਉ ਕਿਆ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੩॥੭॥

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ਮਾਥੇ ਤਿਲਕੁ ਹਥਿ ਮਾਲਾ ਬਾਨਾਂ ॥ ਲੋਗਨ ਰਾਮੁ ਖਿਲਉਨਾ ਜਾਨਾਂ ॥੧॥ ਜਉ ਹਉ ਬਉਰਾ ਤਉ ਰਾਮ ਤੋਰਾ ॥ ਲੋਗੁ ਮਰਮੁ ਕਹ ਜਾਨੈ ਮੋਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਤੋਰਉ ਨ ਪਾਤੀ ਪੂਜਉ ਨ ਦੇਵਾ ॥ ਰਾਮ ਭਗਤਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਿਹਫਲ ਸੇਵਾ ॥੨॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਜਉ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਮਨਾਵਉ ॥ ਐਸੀ ਸੇਵ ਦਰਗਹ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵਉ ॥੩॥ ਲੋਗੁ ਕਹੈ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਬਉਰਾਨਾ ॥ ਕਬੀਰ ਕਾ ਮਰਮੁ ਰਾਮ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾਂ ॥੪॥੬॥

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You won't believe anything unless you have experienced something yourself, witnessed something yourself or trust someone else's accounts of their experiences.

Many people (like some on this forum), are writing off and denying spiritual moments, JUST BECAUSE they themselves never experienced anything.

That's practically what atheism is all about. Anything and everything anti-spiritual/mystical, just because of a lack of personal experience.

It's typical missionary/tarksheel/kala-afghana mindset.

You guys really need to read more books and hear katha from Sants, Mahapurshs, BrahmGianis, etc.

If you are denying ghosts/magic...then you will also end up denying much of Guru Sahib's life experiences and highly-spiritual Sikhs' experiences as well as the concept of Shaheed Singhs.

There is no need to go back far, just go back to Giani Sant Singh Maskeen Jee's life.....or...Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Jee's life (as well as his companions).

Are they liars?

How about Baba Nand Singh Jee? Baba Thakur Singh Jee? Baba Attar Singh Jee?

There are many stories of flying, being invisble, unlimited quanitites of items, tantric powers, etc.

Don't limit the big picture just because your own experience and mind is limited.

A video for you to ponder on and reflect.

This short video tries to answer the question of whether Ghosts and Evil Spirits exist and if so, Why? Gurrbani teaches us that although they do exist, the Guru's words act like an armed guard around the Sikh, keeping them away. It also looks at what we should do about them, ie, basically ignore them and focus on the Name of Vaheguru, that being something in our sphere of influence. Please note, I'm not saying that God made these Ghosts intrinsically evil, they are beings subject to ego (haumai) and exist on a different plane of existence.

http://www.youtube.com/user/basicsofsikhi?feature=watch

[HSingh 38]

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa! Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Many people (like some on this forum), are writing off and denying spiritual moments, JUST BECAUSE they themselves never experienced anything.

That's practically what atheism is all about. Anything and everything anti-spiritual/mystical, just because of a lack of personal experience.

It's typical missionary/tarksheel/kala-afghana mindset.

You guys really need to read more books and hear katha from Sants, Mahapurshs, BrahmGianis, etc.

If you are denying ghosts/magic...then you will also end up denying much of Guru Sahib's life experiences and highly-spiritual Sikhs' experiences as well as the concept of Shaheed Singhs.

There is no need to go back far, just go back to Giani Sant Singh Maskeen Jee's life.....or...Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Jee's life (as well as his companions).

Are they liars?

How about Baba Nand Singh Jee? Baba Thakur Singh Jee? Baba Attar Singh Jee?

There are many stories of flying, being invisble, unlimited quanitites of items, tantric powers, etc.

Don't limit the big picture just because your own experience and mind is limited.

People always have a way of twisting words dont they lol. Did anyone call them liars? No they did not. Nobody even mentioned them. The people who were posting were not on about those type of spirits... they were on about talking to people close to them who are dead via a board... That is not a spiritual experience as you put it... that is clever mind tricks. No spirit is going to start talking to you via a board and have a conversation with you, or tell you that they are still watching over you and etc... And there is a big difference between a ghost and a spirit... the modern day ghost everyone talks about isn't a spirit. If you read what I posted earlier, I said there is such things, but very rare, which you will most likely never see in your life. You guys should take your own advice and listen to them amazing Khalsa as well, and listen when they say dont get into superstition. What you are talking about and what these guys are talking about are completely different things. Do you really believe some auntee down the road from you, or a egofied baba you met in india knows some magical words that will put a curse on you for the rest of your life.... It isn't as simple as that. This stuff goes really deep, and discussing it is just going to confuse people here. What they are on about is fake, what you are on about is completely different stuff.

So whats the need to start accusing people of being a missionary and whatnot and twisting a whole entire topic to a different level and twisting peoples words around. If non of what you said was even mentioned (if it was I must have missed it and then I'm sorry), then why bring it up and accuse people of calling gursikhs liars...?

Even if what these guys were asking was to do with that stuff... it would still most likely not be real and in their heads, as like I said before its really rare to see in this time of kalyug. There is a massive difference between this superstition that nearly the whole of india believes in, and what you are on about. What you are on about goes really deep and will confuse people here and then they will get even more freaked out. We are trying to help people not freak them out more. The other poster was saying they weren't having a good life and blamed it on that baba dude in india. So why dont you help, and offer them advice instead of freaking them out even more? Because you know perfectly well that it isnt a curse on her. And if you really think it is... like it was aid before... there is nothing more powerful than Mool Mantr...

[gurdeepsinghjohal 275]

ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਅਬ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥ ਜਬ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਤਉ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥ ਮਨ ਮਾਨੇ ਲੋਗੁ ਨ ਪਤੀਜੈ ॥ ਨ ਪਤੀਜੈ ਤਉ ਕਿਆ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੩॥੭॥

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Don't limit the big picture just because your own experience and mind is limited.

In Japji concept is made clear everything we get is by His Command

ਹੁਕਮੀ ਹੋਵਨਿ ਆਕਾਰ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਜਾਈ ॥

By His Command, bodies are created; His Command cannot be described.

ਹੁਕਮੀ ਹੋਵਨਿ ਜੀਅ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥

By His Command, souls come into being; by His Command, glory and greatness are obtained.

ਹੁਕਮੀ ਉਤਮੁ ਨੀਚੁ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਦੁਖ ਸੁਖ ਪਾਈਅਹਿ ॥

By His Command, some are high and some are low; by His Written Command, pain and pleasure are obtained.

ਇਕਨਾ ਹੁਕਮੀ ਬਖਸੀਸ ਇਕਿ ਹੁਕਮੀ ਸਦਾ ਭਵਾਈਅਹਿ ॥

Some, by His Command, are blessed and forgiven; others, by His Command, wander aimlessly forever.

ਹੁਕਮੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਹੁਕਮ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥

Everyone is subject to His Command; no one is beyond His Command.

ਨਾਨਕ ਹੁਕਮੈ ਜੇ ਬੁਝੈ ਤ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥੨॥

O Nanak, one who understands His Command, does not speak in ego. ||2||

Further enlightening you please read entire shabad below.

ਗਉੜੀ ਗੁਆਰੇਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehl:

ਕਿਉ ਭ੍ਰਮੀਐ ਭ੍ਰਮੁ ਕਿਸ ਕਾ ਹੋਈ ॥

Why do you doubt? What do you doubt?

ਜਾ ਜਲਿ ਥਲਿ ਮਹੀਅਲਿ ਰਵਿਆ ਸੋਈ ॥

God is pervading the water, the land and the sky.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਉਬਰੇ ਮਨਮੁਖ ਪਤਿ ਖੋਈ ॥੧॥

The Gurmukhs are saved, while the self-willed manmukhs lose their honor. ||1||

ਜਿਸੁ ਰਾਖੈ ਆਪਿ ਰਾਮੁ ਦਇਆਰਾ ॥

One who is protected by the Merciful Lord

ਤਿਸੁ ਨਹੀ ਦੂਜਾ ਕੋ ਪਹੁਚਨਹਾਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

- no one else can rival him. ||1||Pause||

ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਵਰਤੈ ਏਕੁ ਅਨੰਤਾ ॥

The Infinite One is pervading among all.

ਤਾ ਤੂੰ ਸੁਖਿ ਸੋਉ ਹੋਇ ਅਚਿੰਤਾ ॥

So sleep in peace, and don't worry.

ਓਹੁ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੋ ਵਰਤੰਤਾ ॥੨॥

He knows everything which happens. ||2||

ਮਨਮੁਖ ਮੁਏ ਜਿਨ ਦੂਜੀ ਪਿਆਸਾ ॥

The self-willed manmukhs are dying in the thirst of duality.

ਬਹੁ ਜੋਨੀ ਭਵਹਿ ਧੁਰਿ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਲਿਖਿਆਸਾ ॥

They wander lost through countless incarnations; this is their pre-ordained destiny.

ਜੈਸਾ ਬੀਜਹਿ ਤੈਸਾ ਖਾਸਾ ॥੩॥

As they plant, so shall they harvest. ||3||

ਦੇਖਿ ਦਰਸੁ ਮਨਿ ਭਇਆ ਵਿਗਾਸਾ ॥

Beholding the Blessed Vision of the Lord's Darshan, my mind has blossomed forth.

ਸਭੁ ਨਦਰੀ ਆਇਆ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪਰਗਾਸਾ ॥

And now everywhere I look, God is revealed to me.

ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਕੀ ਹਰਿ ਪੂਰਨ ਆਸਾ ॥੪॥੨॥੭੧॥

Servant Nanak's hopes have been fulfilled by the Lord. ||4||2||71|| Pg 176

You believe in Jadu/toona its His Will. :biggrin2:

We(missionaries) believe, everything(bad) we get because of our deed motivated by ego.

[GuptUnknown 145]

In Japji concept is made clear everything we get is by His Command

ਹੁਕਮੀ ਹੋਵਨਿ ਆਕਾਰ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਜਾਈ ॥

By His Command, bodies are created; His Command cannot be described.

ਹੁਕਮੀ ਹੋਵਨਿ ਜੀਅ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥

By His Command, souls come into being; by His Command, glory and greatness are obtained.

ਹੁਕਮੀ ਉਤਮੁ ਨੀਚੁ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਦੁਖ ਸੁਖ ਪਾਈਅਹਿ ॥

By His Command, some are high and some are low; by His Written Command, pain and pleasure are obtained.

ਇਕਨਾ ਹੁਕਮੀ ਬਖਸੀਸ ਇਕਿ ਹੁਕਮੀ ਸਦਾ ਭਵਾਈਅਹਿ ॥

Some, by His Command, are blessed and forgiven; others, by His Command, wander aimlessly forever.

ਹੁਕਮੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਹੁਕਮ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥

Everyone is subject to His Command; no one is beyond His Command.

ਨਾਨਕ ਹੁਕਮੈ ਜੇ ਬੁਝੈ ਤ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥੨॥

O Nanak, one who understands His Command, does not speak in ego. ||2||

Further enlightening you please read entire shabad below.

ਗਉੜੀ ਗੁਆਰੇਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehl:

ਕਿਉ ਭ੍ਰਮੀਐ ਭ੍ਰਮੁ ਕਿਸ ਕਾ ਹੋਈ ॥

Why do you doubt? What do you doubt?

ਜਾ ਜਲਿ ਥਲਿ ਮਹੀਅਲਿ ਰਵਿਆ ਸੋਈ ॥

God is pervading the water, the land and the sky.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਉਬਰੇ ਮਨਮੁਖ ਪਤਿ ਖੋਈ ॥੧॥

The Gurmukhs are saved, while the self-willed manmukhs lose their honor. ||1||

ਜਿਸੁ ਰਾਖੈ ਆਪਿ ਰਾਮੁ ਦਇਆਰਾ ॥

One who is protected by the Merciful Lord

ਤਿਸੁ ਨਹੀ ਦੂਜਾ ਕੋ ਪਹੁਚਨਹਾਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

- no one else can rival him. ||1||Pause||

ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਵਰਤੈ ਏਕੁ ਅਨੰਤਾ ॥

The Infinite One is pervading among all.

ਤਾ ਤੂੰ ਸੁਖਿ ਸੋਉ ਹੋਇ ਅਚਿੰਤਾ ॥

So sleep in peace, and don't worry.

ਓਹੁ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੋ ਵਰਤੰਤਾ ॥੨॥

He knows everything which happens. ||2||

ਮਨਮੁਖ ਮੁਏ ਜਿਨ ਦੂਜੀ ਪਿਆਸਾ ॥

The self-willed manmukhs are dying in the thirst of duality.

ਬਹੁ ਜੋਨੀ ਭਵਹਿ ਧੁਰਿ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਲਿਖਿਆਸਾ ॥

They wander lost through countless incarnations; this is their pre-ordained destiny.

ਜੈਸਾ ਬੀਜਹਿ ਤੈਸਾ ਖਾਸਾ ॥੩॥

As they plant, so shall they harvest. ||3||

ਦੇਖਿ ਦਰਸੁ ਮਨਿ ਭਇਆ ਵਿਗਾਸਾ ॥

Beholding the Blessed Vision of the Lord's Darshan, my mind has blossomed forth.

ਸਭੁ ਨਦਰੀ ਆਇਆ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪਰਗਾਸਾ ॥

And now everywhere I look, God is revealed to me.

ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਕੀ ਹਰਿ ਪੂਰਨ ਆਸਾ ॥੪॥੨॥੭੧॥

Servant Nanak's hopes have been fulfilled by the Lord. ||4||2||71|| Pg 176

You believe in Jadu/toona its His Will. :biggrin2:

We(missionaries) believe, everything(bad) we get because of our deed motivated by ego.

You missed the point of what he is saying. He is saying that if it effects you, it is still within his will. Just like if someone were to get up and sucker punch me while I wasn't looking, it would still be within his will. If you are effected by it, it is still within his will, however that does not mean it doesn't exist. Veerji above was just pointing out the mere existance of it. Think we are in agreement here. Waheguru.