Jump to content

Do Only Khalsa Amritdhari Gursikhs Leave Reincarnation?


Shamshere
 Share

Recommended Posts

You have dodged the question. The answer surely can come with an explanation, but all that is needed is a yes or a no. So for the third time can Sikh worship Sargun Saroop of Akal Purakh?

God can be worshipped however, there are not rituals or rules to it- Gurbani says God is found through Love.

Recognise God in everything.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

In puratan sikhi tradition at the beginner, intermediate stages of one surti- sargun saroop of akaal purkh- sri guru granth sahib ji is worshipped by nine types of bhagti-
Baba Tirath Singh Nirmala in his translation of Pundit Gulab Singhs Bhavrasamrit (p42-44) mentions the nine limbs of Bhakti which are referred to in the Sikh tradition as the Nvai Parkar (Nine methods)- this is mentioned in sant gurbachan singh bhindranwale gurbani katha ang -71 and also mentioned by sant isher singh ji rara sahib wale:

What is meant by beginner and intermediate stages? Does that mean Sikhs on higher levels don't worship Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji? If not, then what do they worship?

Can the body of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji be worshipped?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

What is meant by beginner and intermediate stages? Does that mean Sikhs on higher levels don't worship Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji? If not, then what do they worship?

Can the body of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji be worshipped?

Excuse me for jumping in, but Sikhs at a higher level realise God aka Truth to be everywhere, And to be everything and everyone. They recognise the Guru to have experienced this gyan first hand- they understand that the Guru is merged with Truth and so really the Guru is still worshipped but as a being who is merged with Truth- and hence is the Truth- as God discovered himself to be- truth in form. this is beyond logic and so only the high level Bhagat who has experienced and practiced this gyan first hand can truly understand it.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Mool Mantar teaches us that Vaheguru is ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ. WIthout the Kirpa of Satguru Nanak Dev Jee the realization of Vaheguru cannot happen. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee has taught Sikhs the importance of Rehit when he says how Pyari Rehit of a Sikh is for Him. He Himself leads by example when He takes Amrit from the Panj Pyaras. Now knowing the importance of Amrit and the Rehit that comes with it, what is stopping a Sikh from it? it is the influence of this world. A Sikh should live by the following words:

ਮੇਰਾ ਰੁਸੇ ਨਾ ਕਲਗੀਆਂ ਵਾਲਾ, ਜਗ ਭਾਵੇਂ ਸਾਰਾ ਰੁਸ ਜੇ

It is Guru Gobind Singh Jee's kushi which is most important, not what the world thinks. The world prefers Sikhs to not take amrit and not follow rehit. But does a Sikh of Guru Gobind Singh Jee care for this world? never. When a Sikh realizes that this world is just as temporary and illusional as a dream he will always choose his Guru and His Kushi over this world.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

What is meant by beginner and intermediate stages? Does that mean Sikhs on higher levels don't worship Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji? If not, then what do they worship?
It's meant to broken down for seeker to understand gurmat marg and walk towards it in stages as gurmat is sehaj marg... Bibek/Thal Vich Tin Vastu Peyo Sat Santokh Veecharo - is equally important to understand gurmat marg not just intellectually but live practically too. In grand scheme of things - there is no difference between sargun and nirgun and at the end stage- bhramgyan perception is all one ikongkar. However, for seeker gurbani updesh is broken down in different stages based on seeker individual spiritual development.
Nothing changes at higher level as far as nine types of bhagti goes. However, as far as inner sadhana goes - satguru ji himself turn his sikh inwards towards their gyan roop- as vahiguroo sitting inside all of us as real self- atma-paratama as satguru ultimate roop is jot saroop- pure awareness consciousness bliss (all in one, one in all) and cannot be only confined to only sargun and shabad surat transcedental form
In gurmat, bhagti/shabad surat/gyan are blended beautifully and spendlidly. Gyani sher singh ji said one of divans- gursikh nature is "bhagti mukh hirdaie gyan"... perfect example of such puratan gursikh is baba budda ji who was bhramgyani never left mukh bhagti of serving guru sahib in relations of bhagat and guru and serve six guru's sahiban in his life time as for bhramgyani there is no separation between serving sargun and nirgun and there duty to inspire others attach others also to satguru charan. At the end, it all comes together in bhramgyan stage as one Ikongkar-Ek Jot.


Can the body of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji be worshipped?
Body of sri guru nanak dev ji- Sri guru granth sahib ji. In gurmat, yes sri guru granth sahib sargun saroop is worshipped by using nine types of bhagti mentioned in gurbani.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share


  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Ik i'm a few (13) years late but basically: Get a single Mal-mal dastar (around 3-5 metres) and starch it. You just whisk 2 ladles of starch (Kershaw's, cornstarch or maida) with around 5 cups of water until it's completely smooth and mix it on low heat flame for around 20 mins until it goes clear and think like water. When this cools off, take a clean but damp turban and soak it into the starch and make sure you coat the whole dastar evenly You leave it out to hang dry in the sun/air. Once dry u can store it in a cool, dry place until you wanna tie it (for about 4 months) Take the dastar, sprinkle some water all throughout the turban to make it slightly wet and just soft enough to tie. Then you and another person hold the dastar at each end to make a stretched rectangle (two people holding one corner in each of their hands). Fold it in half width-wise 3 times. Tie the turban like this quite loosely. The starch will make it tighter as it dries BUT TIE IT STAIGHT ONTO YOUR HEAD. NO MINi-TURBAN BENEATH IT. JUST TIE YOUR FLATTENED JOORA ON TOP OF YOUR HEAD AND THE DASTAR DIRECTLY ON TOP Secure it with pins and wear it on your head until it has dried from the water you sprinkled before the pooni. After it has completely dried (give it around 3-4 hours just to make sure) you take it off your head DO NOT UNWRAP IT TAKE IT OFF IN IT'S SHAPE and the next time you need to wear you can just place it on your head over your flattened joora instead of tying this. You can do this for around 5 months after you first tied it until you have to ever tie it again.
    • I tie a Punjabi style dastar with starch. Why do people hate this so much? Once when I was tying my dastar my neck seized up and the apna doctor said staying in that position daily for more than 5 mins is dangerous. He recommended a starched pagg like his dad. And I respect my pagg more than my life. I put it on the top shelf of my cupboard whenever it isn't on my head, recite Waheguruji da naam whenever I am tying my joora, fifty and when i place the Dastar on my head and I mata thek and kiss  it before I do. And when I do tie it (every 4 months when the starch starts to weaken) I make sure that I pooni and tie it with much love and whilst reciting paath. I get that if someone treats their turban like a hat (eg: throwing it on the floor, cramping it or just disrespecting it) then this is unacceptable but just cos one puts their pagg on their head rather than tying it each time doesn't mean they treat it as such. (and let's be honest, starched or not we've all put our dad's pagg on our head like a hat when we were kids as a joke and meant no disrespect. Intention is everything). Ik Singhs who get angry tying their pagg and start doing maa/phen di gaaliyan, and when they take it off they just throw to the side and wait to tie it again next time. (Also, I'm from a Jat Sikh family so pls don't try to make this about "starched paggs are tarkhan/caste based" or anything stupid like that). PS: I do remember that stupidness in the 90s/early 2000s UK when Sikh men used to have a tiny starched paggs and were completely clean shaven or had a little goatee like Herbie Sahara/ Vijay from achanak. Now THAT was stupid and deserves all the hate but I just mean the concept of a starched dastar whether it's Punjabi Style, Kenyan style or whatever
    • Anyone know how to tie this turban? My Nani's dad tied it, it was starched but i can't work out whether the pooni was kenyan orpunjabi (like folded or an actual pooni). This was very common before partition, and uses a single dastar (not double stitched). Is it js Kenyan pagg with a higher larr?
    • It doesn't matter. What the nihangs did 100 years ago has no relevance today. Because people fight differently now. As a karate black belt, 90% of what we learn is useless, cos it revolves around how people fought 100 years ago. Today, most teenage boys likely to cause fights (at least in the uk) do boxing. But when boxing was really popular, people used to throw punches, hence why the "man to man fist fight" image was there. But now that UFC is popular, people do all sorts like grappling, knees and all (even with no training).  And also, I highly doubt anyone ever attacked a nihang Singh unarmed back then, just by seeing their saroop with shastaraan. What they did do, however, was Loh Mushti but that was more of a sport than a combat system. They definitely would have trained in basic fighting like wrestling and strikes but not a system. Because any good fighter knows that trying to find a "code" to fight by is stupid. But in terms of unarmed fighting, it was rare and probably revolved around disarming an armed attacker (do NOT even attemp to learn that, you will get killed and there's no point even trying to learn).   If you're interested for historical/ preservation purposed then great, but if you want to learn it for self defense or fighting tactics then pls don't, because what worked then won't work now and Nihangs were probably quite limited in hand to hand combat training cos they're armed to the teeth, deterring any unarmed attacker and killing one if they tried to fight
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use