Should We Be Celebrating The Death Of Indira?

[Guest singh1995]

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

sikhs have always celebrated the killing of a tryant, Bhai Sukha Singh and Bhai Mehtab Singh played football with the head of massa.

the sikhs will always remember the shaheeds but that doesnot mean we forget the glorious actions of our Khalsa.

every year for the past 29 years my cousins gurdwara sahib has a bonfire and they burn a effigy of kutti indra and pay home to Bhai Satwant Singh and Bhai Beant Singh and the countless shaheeds of nov 1984.

each to there own.

sad when people seem to think we got no feeling and kushi in us. yea ppl might say 29 years later but you have to be there to feel the pain of the sikhs of 1984. we were not born then yet we seem to think what the hell. Sikhi is about anak and we have lost urs. its hard to justify to a non sikh but hell we need to educate ourselves to tell the story of the pain of 1984-1995 onwards

[proactive]

I too was a kid at that time and really wondered why didn't the two bodyguards resigned before killing her. Resigning before killing her would have made more sense- as Sikhs are not taught to betray someone's trust.Sikhs are supposed to be fearless and honest towards their duties. Well I don't know the actual situation they were in. Probably they thought how will they get the chance to kill her if they resigned from their post. But I think we should be true to our job as we would like to be true to our religion or community. I can empathize with their aim but I don't really agree with the manner in which it was achieved. I don't feel sad for the Lady as she was scheming and power-hungry and showed the whole world through her actions what kind of dictator she was! But I really feel sad for the image of the Sikhs.

I think that you have become a victim of Indian propaganda, this is the sort of opinion one gets from those who want to downgrade the achievements of Shaheed Beant Singh and Shaheed Satwant Singh. The truth of the matter is that when Indira Gandhi launched her genocidal war on us, she became a legitimate target. Some fools say she was a frail old woman but they forget that it was HER ORDERS that the army was following which committed the atrocities at Darbar Sahib. She made the decision to go to war against the Sikhs in order to win the next elections and keep her illegitimate dynasty in power and she got what she deserved. Any moral, religious or legal duty or responsibility that the two great Shaheeds had to protect her was made null and void the day she ordered the attack in June 1984.

The resignation idea would have been a non-starter in the first place, being the security guards on Indira Gandhi would have meant that any action by these two which could been seen as being critical of Indira Gandhi would have seen both of them arrested, They would have had fake charges instituted against them and the govt would have loved to have shown that Sikh 'terrorists' even had links in the security detail of the PM!

The way to look at their actions is that whilst millions of Sikhs at that time would have wanted to shot the witch, these two Gursikhs found themselves to be in the unique position of being able to carry out any action that every Sikh was dreaming of being able to do. In a way, the fact that her own security guards killed her shows just how deeply affected the entire Sikh kaum had been and it was not just the 'extremist' Sikhs who were affected as her propaganda machine had been alleging. She was a victim of her own propaganda which used to put a whole host of kukas, radhaswamis and congressi idiots on TV to claim that Sikhs supported her actions. Because of this propaganda she allowed the two Gursikhs to remain in her security detail and the rest is history.

[chatanga]

I recently watched a few video's on youtube at the time of her death the uk news were reporting outside a gurdwara and some women are doing gidah and somewhere else on another video a singh is drinking what looks like wine to celebrate. (I will try find links and post them later). It just made me think while people were dancing about celebrating in uk and possibly other foreign countries, at the same time in delhi and other parts of india sikhs were getting massacred, tortured, raped and burnt.

This celebration was a reaction to the same celebration by the hindus after bluestar. Hindus in panjab esp amritsar, were giving out laddoos and such to the ravan sena of india and celebrating. The Sikhs that did the same were basically just returning the serve.

[Mehtab Singh]

Make sure to tell all your Indian friends the truth behind Santa Banta jokes, that these started off as an insult to these 2 Shaheeds Bhai Satwant Singh and Bhai Beant Singh. And make sure to tell them on Oct. 31st itself.

[Shamshere]

Lets think of the innocent people who were killer after her death. So you think they celebrate?

[sat]

Think of the innocent people who were killed before her death in the Darbar sahib complex.

The assassination of indra was only a further excuse for the atrocities the indian government / rajiv gandhi were already committing/ planning against the sikhs, her assassination was not the sole cause of the slaughter of sikhs.

Like i have already said people forget that hundred/ thousands innocents were already killed before her death. some celebrate some do not, but she was a tyrant who was party to many evil atrocities and deserved what she got.

[Guest justme]

Gurfateh Ji

Thanks for all the reply's but the main question was as gursikhs in gurmat view, should we be celebrating the death of Indira not whether it was right or wrong. Shaheed Bhai Satwant Singh and Shaheed Bhai Beant Singh had to do what they had to do. There should be no question as to whether it was right or wrong. They will always be regarded in my eyes as great sikh martyrs same as Bhai Mehtab Singh and Bhai Sukha Singh. My only question was as gursikhs should we be celebrating the death, in a gurmat perspective?

bhul chuk maaf

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa , Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

[sat]

Should we be celebrating the jeet / fateh of the panth over tyranny and evil is what you are asking answer is yes, had this question ever been put to puratan Gursikhs and i am sure even after losing their families they would have said yes without any shadow of a doubt, but today some are too wrapped up in cotton wool / moh (attachment) and afraid to hurt even a fly !!

Celebrating does not mean bhangra or throwing a party, but ardas and shukrana to waheguru ji for bringing indra's evil reign to an end and parnam / namashar to the saheeds who died for and defended the honour of the panth ! :respect:

[N30S1NGH]

Yes around 1984 there was rightly celebration (mathhiya/laddo) of indira oppressor stopped by shahids of the panth. However, main question is -do we want to continue this tradition of celebration? I don't know i m bit divided on this, as we don't celebrate with mathiya and laddo death of abdali, aurenzeb, masa ranghar and other mugal oppressors.

With that being said, indira attrocity and downfall episode should be part of every soraj parkash granth katha and should be mentioned in the same breath while other oppressors and their downfall mentioned this ensures our youths are connected with sikh history and proud of our shaheds/sipahi concept of sant but at the same time does not get carried away in emotions as all this is big khel/play of akaal purkh and akaal purkh hakum himself and only way one can understand or come in terms with this khel of akaal purkh is to be outside/de-attached from maya realm of all emotions, both evident and subtle notions of panj vices.

[sat]

n30singh, i agree100% with you veer but we must also remember that indira was in our life time so the wounds are still fresh but you are correct our shaheeds should be celebrated they are our heeray (diamonds) and should never be mourned but always remembered forever and ever. and this episode in our history should be recorded for future generations. obviously not by dancing and make a mockeray like other religions do buy burning effigies etc, but buy prayer and ardas.