Gurdwara Marrying Sikhs To Muslims

[Singhberkshire 45]

Still the OP won't tell us what Gurdwara this 'sikh to a muslim' marriage is about to take place in.

Until he tells us as far as I'm concerned its an imaginary scenario he dreamt up in his mind about some imaginary boy and girl about to get married in some imaginary gurdwara.

Bhaji,

Please

No you have got me wrong. It would not be right for me to post this for obvious reason you are free to pvt message me to discuss further.

And same applies to it being an imaginary scenario that has been dreamt up. I am not here to stir trouble or to wind people up. Im just saddened that this is allowed to happen. I repeat once again I think all have drifted off the subject a little. I cannot understand why our sacred homes are allowing this. What I find difficult to get a grip with is how easy our older generation have accepted this in society.

All the best

[StarStriker 1,062]

http://www.sikh24.com/2014/10/25/sikh-council-uk-develops-guidelines-of-approach-to-inter-faith-marriages-in-gurdwaras/#.VQcen-HIXNc

Im not goin to copy and paste whole article, as its quite long mods, however i wana post this 1 example of these sham marriages have taken the pure p!$$ out of our dharam n gurus.

"2.6 Some examples have emerged where the Anand Karaj has taken place without the non-Sikh partner accepting the Sikh faith. Then the Sikh partner is converted for the second religious ceremony. A particular example illustrates this issue whereby a Sikh girl had an Anand Karaj first and then had a church wedding where she was converted to Christianity. Sadly she died shortly afterwards and she was buried according to Christian rites. It was only at this point the distraught family realised what had actually happened."

The thing is, ppl only have anand karaj, coz it looks good on their crappy little video/pics to look at years later. Also these foolish atheistic parents r also to blame, as theyve given pure shabaashi to their dumb kids that sikhi is some sort make up your own dharam crap, where the classic line is "sikhi is personal, jus be a good person" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Thing is, most ppl dont/havnt even read wat the 4 verses of the anand karaj means, and wat it represents. Example, the 1st verse says, how the 2 couples should meditate, believe in 1 god and make the guru centre of their world, now how can this happen, if 1 of the couples, belongs 2 a religion which believes in multiple gods, follows a religion which doesn't do naam and worships other prophets n not our guru?

And to those sayin, wats difference if 2 patit/mona sikhs get married in anand karaj, well, at least their kids will still come gurdwara in the future, even if it isnt regularly, but the connection is there, n u never know thats their lifeline, despite their parents not bein overly religious.

Mix marriages inevitably will produce confused kids, who dont know where their loyalties lie. Theres a gorah who rings up nihals show on bbc, who's married a an apni, n he says how their kids go both gurdwara n church, n participate in both religious activites n how they worship both gurus and jesus. He tries makin it out like its all rosy in his hippy cookoo land, wat a friggin joke man! The 2 faiths have so many contradictory beliefs. Whats he gona tell his kids wen it comes to evolution/adam n eve? Kids sikhi side says no halal/kosher, christian side says, "meh eat wat u want".

1 of my cousins is goin to be in a anand karaj in few months, with a HP (who is a complete h@rami btw), havin been turned away by 1 of our local gurdwaras (coz they have sharam). Instead of this awakenin her to this illegal wedding, she goes n finds anotha gurdwara where they r happy for this 2 go thru. I will not be attending the wedding, along with few fam members, sadly all the parents will b goin, as theyre "resigned" to goin. Its only us kids who r standing firm on this. I even asked her, wat religion ur kids will follow, she jus keeps ignorin me n stayin silent. Pure lust weddings shall fail, hopefully.

[bigcat13 29]

Singhberkshire...pm me and let me know where these mixed marriages are happening. Thanks

[bigcat13 29]

Starstriker singhs have started protesting outside gurdwaras against this. The girls are chasing the lust BigTime and parents turn a blind eye at least shes married and gone...thats what they want...

As for guys. Many sikh boys get married in mixed marriages but dont seem strong to convert the women...again lust over faith and religion.

[bigcat13 29]

Starstriker singhs have started protesting outside gurdwaras against this. The girls are chasing the lust BigTime and parents turn a blind eye at least shes married and gone...thats what they want...

As for guys. Many sikh boys get married in mixed marriages but dont seem strong to convert the women...again lust over faith and religion.

[MisterrSingh 8,525]

...any Sikh who does not cut his hair (entire body) will never enter hell, no matter how many other sins he/she has committed.

As someone with uncut hair since birth I sincerely hope the above is untrue. Where is the justice in that? A dreg of a Sikh who ruins the lives of others whilst alive will be spared Narak because he or she cynically keeps kesh knowing they will escape punishment? No matter the myriad of deficiencies in their character and the unbearable weight of their sins, they will be exempt from punishment?

[eduardo 193]

If I married a Sikh woman would I have to become a Sikh or could I still maintain my Christian heritage?

I would never ask my wife to convert, I would be happy with her choice of religion as a Sikh, but the question is would she and the wider Sikh community that she belongs to be happy with my Christian beliefs?

[bigcat13 29]

Eduardo My brother guru nanak said to recognise mankind as one. So wether you are christian, sikh or muslim a true sikh will never discriminate You. when it comes to marital affairs then sikh should marry a sikh this is what our faith explains. In the western world its very "normal" for interfaith marriages however to ensure the sikh faith stays strong we dont like our women marrying out of the sikh faith unless the non sikh becomes a part of our faith. Our 10th master created sikh men to be lions(singh) and women to be princesses (kaur) we are to practise a saint soldier life and live and practice sikhi. I know western or european christians who have embraced sikhism and love it. Check out the 3ho sikhs. become a singh and feel the power of sikhi everything starts by saying "waheguru" god will show you the rest. If its works or not, if you end up marrying a sikh and convert or dont convert will be down to your karma my brother.

Hope this helps.

[S4NGH 764]

If I married a Sikh woman would I have to become a Sikh or could I still maintain my Christian heritage?

I would never ask my wife to convert, I would be happy with her choice of religion as a Sikh, but the question is would she and the wider Sikh community that she belongs to be happy with my Christian beliefs?

Eduardo, the Anand Karaj, the Sikh wedding ceremony, can only happen between a sikh man and a sikh woman. Refer to sikh rehat maryada.

No gurdwara anywhere in the world should be allowing a wedding to take place where either the groom or the bride are not sikh. That wedding would be null and void. So sure you could probably find a gurdwara which would allow you to marry a sikh woman even though your not a sikh yourself, but it defeats the object of an anand karaj.

Heres our views on christianity:

[kharkusingh1996 236]

As someone with uncut hair since birth I sincerely hope the above is untrue. Where is the justice in that? A dreg of a Sikh who ruins the lives of others whilst alive will be spared Narak because he or she cynically keeps kesh knowing they will escape punishment? No matter the myriad of deficiencies in their character and the unbearable weight of their sins, they will be exempt from punishment?

Still need good deeds, having uncut hair and doing bani will keep you out of hell not simply uncut hair thats saying like KPS Gill is avoiding hell even though he keeps sikhi saroop lol

[Singhberkshire 45]

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Brother, if religion was the most important thing for you in your life, then you would not have even dream't of cutting your hair. Kesh is the root of Sikhism. Do you know how low Satguru Maharaaj proclaims those people (born into Sikh families) are, who cut their hair?

Satguru says that cutting hair is as sinful as INCEST (reference video link posted below). All other Kakaars are of no value if there are no Kesh. So, I would humbly request you at your feet my brother to keep your hair uncut and come into the Khalsa/Sikh fold especially if you love Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj.

Another fact bro, tenth master (Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh jee Maharaaj) has promised his Sikhs that any Sikh who does not cut his hair (entire body) will never enter hell, no matter how many other sins he/she has committed. This is really a big promise for us and we should be lucky that we are born in Sikh families.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

I don't appreciate you trying to belittle us Mona. We are still Sikhs. I suggest you take you fanatical views elsewhere. I was hoping to engage in grown up manner of the mature nature.

As for your comment highlighted above if one does not commit sins in the first place then one does not have to worry about this.....

But as suggested I humbly ask for comments and not for people to start a war.

All the best to you paapiman

[MisterrSingh 8,525]

Still need good deeds, having uncut hair and doing bani will keep you out of hell not simply uncut hair thats saying like KPS Gill is avoiding hell even though he keeps sikhi saroop lol

That's what I thought, brother. What a wonderful world it will be when people decide to keep rehat because of love for that way of life and not because of shady deals and inducements for escaping hell and whatnot.

[Singhberkshire 45]

What is the root problem of such issue? We need to find the real problem which is ddriving our folks for inter-religious marriages/relationships.

root problem?....I blame the parents of these kids. I'm sorry if this upsets people here.

I have see in one family where the whole family ganged up on a girl who wanted to marry a Ramgharia boy. Family said this can never happen Jatts marrying Ramgharia....What you will read next is truth and nothing but truth. 10 years later another girl from family pipes up she wants to marry a gorah. This goes ahead. A year later another girl from family shows up with a Guju boy and says she wants to marry him. It goes ahead. At both of these wedding the Baba of the family - the eldest grandfather - was dancing at both weddings and even had his arms wrapped around the gorah when she married his grandaughter. Same man who turned alot of the family to gang up on the girl who wanted to marry a Ramgharia. When he was pressed on this the answer was "that is how we thought back then". To me that was not an answer because what is different about our roots and culture now?

Someone in the family said at time "it is matter of time before we see one of our kids walk home with a kala or muslim soon". At the time I thought he was wrong.

But yes a family relative soon sent wedding invites out to rest of family their girl marrying a kala. I know alot of the younger folk who did not attend. (And yes he left her with a kid and she's now back with her family who took her back in)

I have also very sadly noticed that alot of these parents are of the kind where they like a good drink or two and can often be seen at wedding completely plastered hence the lack of guidance and not exactly being the role model we should be. I have even seen with my own eyes at what is fast becoming almost normal is fathers pouring their daughters alcohol spirits and then dancing inappropriatley on the dancefloor. Completely shameless

I have seen as others have mentioned it is us younger folk who are standing up to this with older parents accepting this as perfectly ok.

I have even seen parents rowing with siblings of girls/boys who want to have a out of faith marriage. Yes they are standing up to siblings fighting thier corner saying "well at least she is happy".

It is fast becoming a sad state of affairs.

[Singhberkshire 45]

SinghSabha

your suggestion that I am trying to break link is unfounded. I do not know where you get this from.

The couple in question have no intention of ever adapting Sikhism. It is the parents who feel it Anand Karaj should be conducted in a gurdwara. I have never ever seen the couiple in a gurdwara full stop. In fact I would never even dream of trying to get them to see ways. The guy smokes and drinks like a fish.....the girl in question also smokes and I have seen her in our town with a bottle of what looked like cider in her hand struggling in her heels. She has no intention whatsoever of becoming a Sikh....what on EARTH gives you this idea?.

I feel you are obviously completely disengaged to the real world and are instead trying very very sadly to justify the situation.

There is not justification for our gurdwaras allowing this ..

Once again my question is WHY, OH WHY do our gurdwaras allow this?

Lets not sell our souls for a mere few hundred quid

[Pakandi baba 154]

Still need good deeds, having uncut hair and doing bani will keep you out of hell not simply uncut hair thats saying like KPS Gill is avoiding hell even though he keeps sikhi saroop lol

I agree.

The main point is you see SO many so called Amritdhari women, and they gossip [more so than non] they backbite, swear, go to Jaghas, babes, Mandirs and REALLY malign the Guru's Amrit that it infuriates me. These so called people should live up to the Amrit, but do not and sadly people point fingers and say look that's how they behave. Men drink etc.

Times have changed, people marry people of other colours, faiths, same genders. Where do you draw the line? we're all human after all.