Why Have The Sikhs In England Failed To Follow The Basics Of Sikhi

[Punjabi_Link 31]

Bro, do u have twitter? If so, cud u PLEASE correct this dumb liberal b!tch, coz we cannot let her get away with writing absolute disgraceful n most of all incorrect inacurate stuff about our SGGS!

Im gona start a thread on this disgrace, and try n inform other sikh orgs n ppl, like basics of sikhi, sikh2inspire, sikh youth project, sikh youth birmingham/derby. This silly dopey cow shud be hounded into submission. Shes already acquired 44 signatures.

Message sent to her, but I highly doubt she will respond back to me though.

EDIT:

As for this topic, this definitely is more European issue than Global Sikh issue due to high number of Muslims and their agenda to turn Europe into Muslim state. (lol).

Here in Canada (and I guess USA), we're dealing with right wing Christians and their agenda to convert us. But at least they're not grooming our people, but instead trying to educate our people about their beliefs though.

[Balkaar 1,340]

Desperate, simpering white knights who'd sell their own grandmother if it meant a chance with a hot girl. Yeah, I'm that cynical, lol.

Lo and behold she happens to be an editor of some Wedding Magazine.

Lol

Say she was to acquire her 1000 signatures. What do you think the chances of her succeeding in her aims would be?

[MisterrSingh 5,245]

Lol

Say she was to acquire her 1000 signatures. What do you think the chances of her succeeding in her aims would be?

If, somehow, she did succeed in her aims it would be hilarious. Shocking and wrong in every way, but hilarious.

[StarStriker 1,062]

Lol

Say she was to acquire her 1000 signatures. What do you think the chances of her succeeding in her aims would be?

i still dont understand WHY r non-sikhs signing this crappy petition? If u told these non-sikhs we have 15gurus, theyd probably believe u! look at this clowns comment on that page for eg.

madhu hallan, United Kingdom Jul 31, 01:10

"GURU NANAK JI HAD A HINDU WEDDING!"

Mohit Verma, India Jul 31, 01:07

"i believe that people are human first and no religion must dictate what is wrong or what is right, if god didnt want it he wouldnt have made the humans able to do it. Remember Religion is made by man not god"

....... and these the ppl who r signing the petition? with uneducated and pathetic comments like that? wat a shockin sorry state.

[StarStriker 1,062]

If, somehow, she did succeed in her aims it would be hilarious. Shocking and wrong in every way, but hilarious.

If she does get 1000 signatures, wats it gonna do? i dont understand. Gurdwaras can jus tell em to get lost, as can the sikh council. This is the only time i hope the corrupt gurdwara committees actually r corrupt n completely ignore this useless petition. For cryin out loud, theres ppl on there who r NOT even in the uk and not even sikh signing it.

[Balkaar 1,340]

If, somehow, she did succeed in her aims it would be hilarious. Shocking and wrong in every way, but hilarious.

I see what you mean Singh.

The notion of some yuppy ignoramus overturning the ancient laws of her professed religion using the signatures of a thousand troglodytes hunched over playboy magazines in various underground chambers manages to be both horrifying and hilarious in equal measure. That said, it seems extremely unlikely.

i still dont understand WHY r non-sikhs signing this crappy petition? If u told these non-sikhs we have 15gurus, theyd probably believe u! look at this clowns comment on that page for eg.

madhu hallan, United Kingdom Jul 31, 01:10

"GURU NANAK JI HAD A HINDU WEDDING!"

Mohit Verma, India Jul 31, 01:07

"i believe that people are human first and no religion must dictate what is wrong or what is right, if god didnt want it he wouldnt have made the humans able to do it. Remember Religion is made by man not god"

....... and these the ppl who r signing the petition? with uneducated and pathetic comments like that? wat a shockin sorry state.

Ultra-liberals tend to converge around the causes favored by their mates, it hardly matters what it entails. So long as it's fashionably 'forward-thinking', they will get behind it. But I'd bet all these Indian Hindus signing it are doing it for reasons of pure lechery, as MisterrSingh suggested in a kind of half-jest. It's within their interests to support interfaith marriage considering that half of them fantasize about nabbing a white girlfriend.

[MisterrSingh 5,245]

I see what you mean Singh.

The notion of some yuppy ignoramus overturning the ancient laws of her professed religion using the signatures of a thousand troglodytes hunched over playboy magazines in various underground chambers manages to be both horrifying and hilarious in equal measure. That said, it seems extremely unlikely.

I'm beginning to hope she actually achieves her aims so I can see what she does next, lol.

But, seriously, now would be a good time for an eloquent Gursikh bibi to tweet the lady in question and rebutt her claims there's passages from the Koran in GGS. If a Singh steps forward it'll be further evidence of the oppressive Punjabi patriarchy in full swing, but if a Sikh female puts her straight I'd be interested to see her reaction. That is, unless, Jagsaw Singh's assertion from a few days ago is accurate, in as much as there are very few educated Gursikh bibiya that could go toe to toe with this chancer, and destroy the wholly mistaken information this lightweight Dhami girl is espousing as gospel.

[Punjabi_Link 31]

Based on twitter, Dhami seem like good person who just misinform on Sikhi stance on interfaith marriage. Hopefully she is open minded enough to accept the truth instead of ignoring it.

Remember, if you guys are planning to respond to her, then be respectful.

BTW: Dhami even a Sikh? I think she HIndu Punjabi.

[Singhni MiriPiri 318]

I'm beginning to hope she actually achieves her aims so I can see what she does next, lol.

But, seriously, now would be a good time for an eloquent Gursikh bibi to tweet the lady in question and rebutt her claims there's passages from the Koran in GGS. If a Singh steps forward it'll be further evidence of the oppressive Punjabi patriarchy in full swing, but if a Sikh female puts her straight I'd be interested to see her reaction. That is, unless, Jagsaw Singh's assertion from a few days ago is accurate, in as much as there are very few educated Gursikh bibiya that could go toe to toe with this chancer, and destroy the wholly mistaken information this lightweight Dhami girl is espousing as gospel.

She's not actually going to achieve anything from her petition, she has a weak voice. But if you are eager to educate her, you could create a fake twitter account pretending you're a woman lol

[MisterrSingh 5,245]

She's not actually going to achieve anything from her petition, she has a weak voice. But if you are eager to educate her, you could create a fake twitter account pretending you're a woman lol

Pretend to be a woman?

[Kira 1,441]

Simply because when the very first elders come over abroad, they did work such as labourers, factory, truck drivers, manual work, etc, remember they had less education opportunities, and many of them could not read or write.

The average resident of Punjab is nowadays is more connected with Bollywood, and Hindi is spoken in the children's schools, thus the shift from being "Punjabi", but more English.

Absolutely. If you're going to look at the problem you need to explore several things.

Firstly look at the population of Sikhs in various countries outside of Punjab.

Western Europe United Kingdom 432,000 0.8% 1.77% North America Canada 468,673^[4] 1.4% 1.96%

Stolen directly from Wikipedia but these are the 2 countries I think we should first address. I'll speak a bit on U.K first as it is where my knowledge is more substantial.

When Immigrants first flocked to the UK many of them as simran-ji said were illiterate and very out of tune Sikhism wise. But the natives of the UK at the time were very much against this mass travel. Well a there was a growing and worrying following which held this view. As a result the Sikhs, the Hindus, the Muslims and in some cases even blacks all formed their own community. Afterall there is strength in numbers, who would dare attack them while they are all concentrated in one specific area. As a result they built a thriving community of brotherhood and love.

Unfortunately this backfired as well. The older generation were out of tune with Sikhi, again not all. There were some really wise and exceptional individuals but im speaking about the layman. Eventually this bitterness towards the English majority and the English's sentiments of hatred also started eroding away but many families refused to move out of their set neighborhoods. As a result they isolated themselves from everyone else. Now, this has formed the exact recipe for disaster.

you have a community where one culture is uneducated in their own religion and another which zealously teaches its youth about it's culture. The isolated community would obviously resort of forming bonds with only who is within their set community. they end up unfamiliar with Sikhism and are pulled by their love for their new boyfriend. This is further made worse by Punjabi songs which romanticize forbidden love.

as a result this problem is now made and formed.

Now is this a problem for the modern day England residing sikhs? yes. It is a massive one. But rather than blaming everything on the UK Sikhs you should first see that these tales are having a more positive effect on our World-wide community. Our Community is now more aware of these seduction arts and are prepping themselves to NOT fall for them. The stories you hear coming from the UK are now being read by Sikhs worldwide who are learning from our mistakes.

Is this a problem worldwide? Perhaps. Why I think this is because the recent stories you're hearing right now are brought to light by the sikhs. Their documented cases. The main problem is that the Indian community in general has a tendency to try and keep these things hush hush at certain times. They gossip with each other but the stories never hit the world stage as they do for us. I may be wrong as obviously I'm not all too familiar with the make-up of the Canadian,US make up of communities.

But if our story is resonating anywhere in your community. You may have the same problem as us, if not then that's good news.

So in conclusions. Sikhs have not "failed" in England. Many of us have had to deal with the mess our previous generation left behind. But the newer generation of Sikhs are far more in line with Sikhism. Many Sikhs have branched out and gone to other towns/cities rather than resting in the same old London,Manchester etc. That branching out has helped save many of our teachings and now the places where these deeds are happening are slowly but surely filling up with good Sikhi Knowledge. I don't think it's fair to say we failed. We stumbled but we're trying to get back on our feet.

I apologize if my comments offended anyone. That wasn't my intention. Please don't take any offense from this.

[MisterrSingh 5,245]

She's not actually going to achieve anything from her petition, she has a weak voice. But if you are eager to educate her, you could create a fake twitter account pretending you're a woman lol

So I'll take it you're reluctant to put her straight? Because eventually someone with that profile will get listened to. Like I said, it would be better if it was coming from a baptised female.

[Singhni MiriPiri 318]

So I'll take it you're reluctant to put her straight? Because eventually someone with that profile will get listened to. Like I said, it would be better if it was coming from a baptised female.

I had already contacted her privately. But who's stopping you from creating a 'misseskaur' twitter account. lol

[MisterrSingh 5,245]

I had already contacted her privately. But who's stopping you from creating a 'misseskaur' twitter account. lol

You're serious, aren't you, lmao? I am not going to pretend to be a Singhni. End of discussion.

[Singh559 2,654]

It's becAuse the UK is more organized now about the problem but it is happening in Canada and other places as well.