Why Have The Sikhs In England Failed To Follow The Basics Of Sikhi

[Balkaar]

Most "Sikhs", in fact, most adherents of most religions anywhere in the world know virtually nothing about the faith they claim to be a part of. So when you take this alongside the fact that the majority of the members on this forum appear to be from the UK, a very small, crowded island with a hysterical brand of multiculturalism and more Muslims than the rest of you have by far (almost 3 million against Canada's 1 million, America's 2.5 million and New Zealand's 41,000), the phenomenon of British "Sikh" girls running off with Muslims is unsurprising.

The rest of you are fortunate in your variables, that is all. America and Canada are big enough that people are not forced together into close proximity, and your own country, small though it is, is practically empty. You are not any more devout than we are.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

It is not about the quantity it is all about quality.

The point is how low quality upbringing the Sikhs in England are giving to their children that they have no qualms in marrying muslims.

You missed his point, it wasnt "Yeah, well we have more Sikhs! HA." He meant that if NZ too had 100's of thousands of Sikhs, the amount of interreligion marriages would be equal to Englands.You guys in NZ arent more devout, theres just not enough Sikhs for there to be lots of interreligion marriages.

[JSinghnz]

Most "Sikhs", in fact, most adherents of most religions anywhere in the world know virtually nothing about the faith they claim to be a part of. So when you take this alongside the fact that the majority of the members on this forum appear to be from the UK, a very small, crowded island with a hysterical brand of multiculturalism and more Muslims than the rest of you have by far (almost 3 million against Canada's 1 million, America's 2.5 million and New Zealand's 41,000), the phenomenon of British "Sikh" girls running off with Muslims is unsurprising.

The rest of you are fortunate in your variables, that is all. America and Canada are big enough that people are not forced together into close proximity, and your own country, small though it is, is practically empty. You are not any more devout than we are.

If one goes by your logic all the Sikhs in Pakistan and Afghanistan should have become Muslims by now.

And you cannot generalize that most people do not know about their faith.

Or you could be talking about the so called Sikhs in England.

It is not about you or me being more devout it is about the failure of Sikh parents to teach the basics of their religion to their children.

[simran345]

I can only say from my own experience that I saw less respect for Sikhi when I went to Canada and India than UK. I think it depends on which area one goes to also. But from what I see, and I can't comment for anybody else's experience, UK kids are more wAnting to learn about their faith than the above mentioned.

As I see wealth seems to be more of a trend in bigger countries, big houses etc thus more competition, so the haumai to me implys to those countries as there is the opportunity to show it off more.

[JSinghnz]

You missed his point, it wasnt "Yeah, well we have more Sikhs! HA." He meant that if NZ too had 100's of thousands of Sikhs, the amount of interreligion marriages would be equal to Englands.You guys in NZ arent more devout, theres just not enough Sikhs for there to be lots of interreligion marriages.

A very poor way to cover your shortfalls.

We are more in numbers so we have to be less faithful to our religion and have more liberty to allow Sikh girls to marry Muslims.

What a pitiful state of affairs for you guys.

[MisterrSingh]

As another member mentioned earlier, the root cause is a lack of guidance or interest from the parents. Of course, there will always be the cases where the parents have possibly been too strict, and that's resulted in the children making a point of rebelling and "punishing" the parents when they're old enough to do so. That kind of adherence to faith out of fear may keep the numbers intact for the sake of image amongst a judgemental society, but long term and spiritually speaking, when those children eventually marry and have children of their own, they will not bring Sikhi into their homes and will never encourage their children towards that path. Again, we lose out.

On the whole, there's an alarming group of Sikh parents that are in thrall to their children. Why? I have no idea. These are parents who were born back home, and you'd assume there'd be a bit more of the traditional Punjabi parenting (minus the obvious negatives) occurring in such homes, but it just isn't happening.

The ones who are becoming parents now are what worries me for the future of Sikhs in the UK. If we think things are a mess now, fast forward 20 or so years in the future, and prepare yourselves for the true tamasha. This modern lot are more concerned about being friends with their kids and being good little liberal subjects, than actually doing any parenting or introducing some Sikhi into the lives of their children. Lord help us, lol.

[Hammertime007]

Who knows

[Balkaar]

It is not about you or me being more devout it is about the failure of Sikh parents to teach the basics of their religion to their children.

But that is the case pretty much everywhere, what caused you to single out the Sikhs of the United Kingdom as being uniquely guilty?

It is true that the vast majority of us make no effort at all to ensure that our children inherit Sikh teaching, but when you consider that 75% of youths in the Punjab are addicted to drugs, I'd say that we in the UK are at least better at instilling Sikh values in our children than our brethren back home.

[JSinghnz]

But that is the case pretty much everywhere, what caused you to single out the Sikhs of the United Kingdom as being uniquely guilty?

It is true that the vast majority of us make no effort at all to ensure that our children inherit Sikh teaching, but when you consider that 75% of youths in the Punjab are addicted to drugs, I'd say that we in the UK are at least better at instilling Sikh values in our children than our brethren back home.

Had Sikh values been instilled in the children there we would not have had have had the problem of our girls marrying muslims.

[Jonny101]

JSinghnz has raised a very important point. Its not just about the promiscuity of our girls but why are our girls clubing and drinking heavily when when they start attending university? Something is seriously wrong with the way we raise our kids. We follow this bhangra culture of going to parties, our kids grow up watching their dads and uncles drinking heavily and while their mothers and aunts dance in front of unknown men to kaam filled bhangra music. Then to top it all off the kids are exposed to western culture where there is nothing considered wrong with having inter religious relationships. When our kids grow up watching this instead of doing nitnem, gurbani santhiya and having zero exposure to what our rehit, ithihas and gurmat sanskars are as they ought to be then we should not be surprised they end up the way they do.