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[Big_Tera 1,162]

Inderjit. I dont know how you quoted my post when I deleted it about 20 minutes ago? As I dont wish to talk about these issues when they are irrelevant in todays society.

[InderjitS 1,244]

Inderjit. I dont know how you quoted my post when I deleted it about 20 minutes ago? As I dont wish to talk about these issues when they are irrelevant in todays society.

Must have been a mismatch in timing as it was on my screen when I was typing.

[Big_Tera 1,162]

Nothing wrong with Jatts or any other caste for that matter. Ones that put down one caste over another are no better than those that claim superiority!

There is no caste there is only Sikh! No such thing as any silly caste system. We are just people that have a life thanks to God. No one is better no one is worse. We are all equal.

As for Jagsaw let him eat his Peasant stew and engage in his PEASANTRY an be off with Him!

One question. Why do we never hear of Hindu or Muslim Jatts? They dont seem to shout and scream they are Jatt? People who brag about being Jatt who are Sikhs. Only have any prestige because they are Sikh! Its the Sikh faith that gives you any standing in the world.The fact of the matter is hindu and muslim jatts have no high rank in their respective faiths and communities infact they are seen as lower status.

Just dont forget that you have standing and respect in the world because you are Sikh. Without Sikhism you would be nothing!! And would be just a low status Hindu and Muslim Jatt.

[JagsawSingh 860]

Big Tera, the surest sign of mental illness is to do what you did on this thread:

So, a step by step guide in how to be a mental :

1. Go on to a thread that isn't about caste and nobody on the thread has mentioned anything about caste
2. Be the first on the thread to mention caste for no reason whatsoever
3. Keep mentioning caste again and again even though everyone else is talking about the criminal justice system statistics published by the Indian govt
4. Ignore all that and keep having a mental discussion with yourself about caste
5. Then, at the end, re; your last message, write a post in which you contradict yourself and the conversation you've been having with yourself about caste by saying 'caste does not exist.

And there you have it. A step by step guide in being a mental.

[spareribs 15]

According to the official Indian government statistics there are 3 times more Sikhs than Hindus being arrested. According to the official Indian government statistics there are 3 times more Sikhs than Hindus being sent to Court. According to the official Indian government statistics there are 3 times more Sikhs than Hindus being tried by a Judge. According to the official Indian government statistics there are 3 times more Sikhs than Hindus being found guilty by a judge. According to the official Indian government statistics there are 3 times more Sikhs than Hindus being sent to prison by the judge.

These here are statistics. These here are facts. These are facts and stats that put our lives and our childrens lives into context. Now as a father of two young boys that is not the type of world I want them to grow up in. And yet Sikhsangat.com want to devalue such a profound thing to the level of 'My Name is Jagsaw Singh and I have no Self-Respect' ?????????

Any government statistics can only be collected on reported crimes. The above statistics prove that sikhs are committing 3 times more crime than hindus and that's why they are 3 times more than hindus in every category such as, warrant to arrest, court appearance, trial by judge, found guilty by a judge, and sent to prison by a judge!! Goes to show either sikhs are committing 3 times more crimes than hindus or the statistics are biased! They could be biased depending on why they are collecting them and for what reasons? Did they collect them to show sikhs in a certain manner to destroy their morale or popularity?

[Big_Tera 1,162]

Big Tera, the surest sign of mental illness is to do what you did on this thread:

So, a step by step guide in how to be a mental :

1. Go on to a thread that isn't about caste and nobody on the thread has mentioned anything about caste
2. Be the first on the thread to mention caste for no reason whatsoever
3. Keep mentioning caste again and again even though everyone else is talking about the criminal justice system statistics published by the Indian govt
4. Ignore all that and keep having a mental discussion with yourself about caste
5. Then, at the end, re; your last message, write a post in which you contradict yourself and the conversation you've been having with yourself about caste by saying 'caste does not exist.

And there you have it. A step by step guide in being a mental.

lol

I think you are forgetting this topic is not about criminal justice. It is about why you as an individual have no respect . Like the Moderator has done. Many posters have mentioned on this topic why you have no respect and I am simply listing another reason why you have no respect. As you are constantly degrading Sikh communities such as Bhatra with your caste based views.

[JagsawSingh 860]

lol

I think you are forgetting this topic is not about criminal justice. It is about why you as an individual have no respect . Like the Moderator has done. Many posters have mentioned on this topic why you have no respect and I am simply listing another reason why you have no respect. As you are constantly degrading Sikh communities such as Bhatra with your caste based views.

The topic, you ilitterate little twerp, is about our position as a minority in India. A position where, according to that government's own statistics, a Sikh mother and father have to exist knowing that the value of their son or daughter is officially 1/3 of a Hindu child's value. Official. The topic then, goes on to ask why and how people like yourself (who love India) can have so much hatred and low-opinion of your own children that you're willing and happy for them to be part of a society where their lives, freedom and dignity mean so little.

That ^, my friend, is what this thread is about. Only God, you and perhaps your mental health social worker knows why you've been having a lone discussion with yourself here about 'caste'.

[dallysingh101 3,608]

Nothing wrong with Jatts or any other caste for that matter. Ones that put down one caste over another are no better than those that claim superiority!

With that you just casually gloss over the rampant 'institutionalised' jatt gundh in the form of Badal and other greedy, selfish casteist peasants that have hijacked the premier Sikh institutes. I notice that people from jat backgrounds like to play down his background and the the fact that his core support stems from the Panjabi peasantry. Plus you ignore the whole prancing around singing and glorifying your caste which emanates from certain <cough, cough> quarters within our society and keeps us pinned down in petty, yokel mentalities.

Are you joking? You don't get the differentials between those who hold the levers of power and abuse them and those on the receiving end? Let's be frank, you don't give a toss - but Waheguru sees all and your own (are paying) and will pay in future for dragging us in the gutter with your denial of the truth.

It's fun to watch.

There is a BIG difference between someone making negative comments and behaving oppressively due to supremacist brainwashing/mindsets and other people making negative comments in reaction to being on the receiving end of this. Are you really that simple that you don't get this?

[acsap 290]

Any government statistics can only be collected on crimes reported. The above statistics prove that sikhs are committing 3 times more crime than hindus and that's why they are 3 times more than hindus in every category such as, warrant to arrest, court appearance, trial by judge, found guilty by a judge, and sent to prison by a judge!! Goes to show either sikhs are committing 3 times more crimes than hindus or the statistics are biased! They could be biased depending on why they are collecting them and for what reasons? Did they collect them to show sikhs in a certain manner to destroy their morale or popularity?

31 years ago, this week, more than 10,000 Sikhs were killed (some estimates are as high as 50,000) and no Hindu went to jail for that. In fact, they were rewarded or killing Sikhs. You still want to believe in Indian Police, politicians, and judiciary then please do.. However, we Sikhs know why we are in prison and Hindus are not!

[spareribs 15]

31 years ago, this week, more than 10,000 Sikhs were killed (some estimates are as high as 50,000) and no Hindu went to jail for that. In fact, they were rewarded or killing Sikhs. You still want to believe in Indian Police, politicians, and judiciary then please do.. However, we Sikhs know why we are in prison and Hindus are

THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT

SIGNED BY spareibs

Any government statistics can only be collected on crimes reported. The above statistics prove that sikhs are committing 3 times more crime than hindus and that's why they are 3 times more than hindus in every category such as, warrant to arrest, court appearance, trial by judge, found guilty by a judge, and sent to prison by a judge!! Goes to show either sikhs are committing 3 times more crimes than hindus or the statistics are biased! They could be biased depending on why they are collecting them and for what reasons? Did they collect them to show sikhs in a certain manner to destroy their morale or popularity?

The Indian government is inclined to be prejudiced against the sikhs,

[proactive 2,080]

I think you people need to back off and stop your personal attacks on Jagsaw Singh. I don't always agree with him but that doesn't mean that his views are any less important than other members.

The Indian uncle Tom who thinks India is so great would do well to read up on what happened to the Sikhs 31 years ago this week.

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[JagsawSingh 860]

The above statistics prove that sikhs are committing 3 times more crime than hindus and that's why they are 3 times more than hindus in every category such as, warrant to arrest, court appearance, trial by judge, found guilty by a judge, and sent to prison by a judge!! Goes to show either sikhs are committing 3 times more crimes than hindus or the statistics are biased!

Well thats where things get even more interesting and the figures actually even more damning. You see, ther are whole tribes - a whole caste grouping - among the Hindus who are officialy a 'criminal tribe' meaning that the sole vocation of that grouping is to commtt crime. Their numbers run into the millions and the Sikhs have no such equivelent. And then also we have to remember that Sikhs are generally not part of the destitute very poor of India. Again, those people are mostly Hindu and their numbers run into many many millions. Now, those are all people that not only do committ the most crime but also are likely to commit more and the one thing they have in common is that they are Hindu.

So, when you consider how the Sikhs at large are actually far less likely to committ crime than the Hindus at large the figures are actually even more alarming than at first glance. Evn though a Hindu is more likely to be a criiminal the official figures say that a Sikh is 3 x more likely to be arrested.....3 x more likely to be put before a judge in court......3 x more likely to be found guilty by a judge.....3 x more likely to be in prison than a Hindu.

Exact or similar figures that apply to American blacks.

Exact same institutionalised vilification and demonisation. Exact same degrading of our history, dignity and sense of self-worth.

The people that do this to us have done so well at making us lose our sense of self-worth there are still some Sikhs that say they are Indian and proud to be Indian even after finding out how the Indian system officially, according to their own stats, view the life, dignity and freedom of Hindu as three times more valuable than yours. Just what kind of a Sikh would be happy to inflict such a degrading existence and value upon his children ?

[Big_Tera 1,162]

The topic, you ilitterate little twerp, is about our position as a minority in India. A position where, according to that government's own statistics, a Sikh mother and father have to exist knowing that the value of their son or daughter is officially 1/3 of a Hindu child's value. Official. The topic then, goes on to ask why and how people like yourself (who love India) can have so much hatred and low-opinion of your own children that you're willing and happy for them to be part of a society where their lives, freedom and dignity mean so little.

That ^, my friend, is what this thread is about. Only God, you and perhaps your mental health social worker knows why you've been having a lone discussion with yourself here about 'caste'.

Okay fine

But topics do diverge and I was simply responding to Inderjits comment about how Jatt and caste is fine in his view. But Now we are on that topic why dont you answer the question since you are the resident Jatt on here. Have Jatt Sikhs simply hijacked the Sikh faith so that they can promote their caste. They are using the Sikh name to promote caste in songs ect. Also answer my question on the Status of your Hindu and Muslim Jatt brothers?

[Qwe123 2]

Well thats where things get even more interesting and the figures actually even more damning. You see, ther are whole tribes - a whole caste grouping - among the Hindus who are officialy a 'criminal tribe' meaning that the sole vocation of that grouping is to commtt crime. Their numbers run into the millions and the Sikhs have no such equivelent. And then also we have to remember that Sikhs are generally not part of the destitute very poor of India. Again, those people are mostly Hindu and their numbers run into many many millions. Now, those are all people that not only do committ the most crime but also are likely to commit more and the one thing they have in common is that they are Hindu.

So, when you consider how the Sikhs at large are actually far less likely to committ crime than the Hindus at large the figures are actually even more alarming than at first glance. Evn though a Hindu is more likely to be a criiminal the official figures say that a Sikh is 3 x more likely to be arrested.....3 x more likely to be put before a judge in court......3 x more likely to be found guilty by a judge.....3 x more likely to be in prison than a Hindu.

Exact or similar figures that apply to American blacks.

Exact same institutionalised vilification and demonisation. Exact same degrading of our history, dignity and sense of self-worth.

The people that do this to us have done so well at making us lose our sense of self-worth there are still some Sikhs that say they are Indian and proud to be Indian even after finding out how the Indian system officially, according to their own stats, view the life, dignity and freedom of Hindu as three times more valuable than yours. Just what kind of a Sikh would be happy to inflict such a degrading existence and value upon his children ?

Even Sikhs in the UK are 3-4 more times more likely to go to prison than Hindus in the UK.