Rss Will Support Sarbat Khalsa

[singh598]

That's not an extreme taliban approach

I said closure in villages

when young children grow up around alcohol and drugs it affects them

[singh598]

That's not an extreme taliban approach

I said closure in villages

when young children grow up around alcohol and drugs it affects them

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

That's not an extreme taliban approach

I said closure in villages

when young children grow up around alcohol and drugs it affects them

I'd say it is, unless people of the village agree to closing it, youre just forcibly implementing your rule upon them. Look what alcohol prohibition in the USA did, complete failure.

Alcohol isnt the problem, its when it is abused its bad. As I said before make the villagers not want to drink or at least not abuse it. Outright prohibition doesnt work. Sant ji had the correct approach in the 80s, follow that.

[MisterrSingh]

Closing all tekeh? That will go over very well surely. You do realize that will make people bitter and oppose Sikhs? You have to make them not want too drink. Not just come in like Taliban.

A lot of Sikhs in the west dont understand what we want or think isnt always in line with Sikhs of punjab! Cant sit here making a list of rules to impose them.

As someone who has never drank, and hopefully never will, you're spot on, brother. As much as I despise the drinking culture that's rife amongst our people, they will resent anyone - even khadku type figures who may have their best interests at heart - who will hope to impose those kind of cold-turkey methods of abstinence on the population. THAT'S how you get external agitators stoking these conflicts in order to encourage the population to betray and sell-out orthodox religious types who've managed to seize power. Over what? Yes, sharaab!

You show people why it's wrong to drink and you make them not want to drink. That takes time and patience. Sweeping in like a bunch of mentalists and throwing around religious decrees is setting yourself up for civil unrest somewhere down the line; societies built on fear and restrictions - even if those restrictions are just - eventually break down.

[simran345]

As someone who has never drank, and hopefully never will, you're spot on, brother. As much as I despise the drinking culture that's rife amongst our people, they will resent anyone - even khadku type figures who may have their best interests at heart - who will hope to impose those kind of cold-turkey methods of abstinence on the population. THAT'S how you get external agitators stoking these conflicts in order to encourage the population to betray and sell-out orthodox religious types who've managed to seize power. Over what? Yes, sharaab!

You show people why it's wrong to drink and you make them not want to drink. That takes time and patience. Sweeping in like a bunch of mentalists and throwing around religious decrees is setting yourself up for civil unrest somewhere down the line; societies built on fear and restrictions - even if those restrictions are just - eventually break down.

Agree, education and awareness is what's needed. Also support for alcoholics, and families and others that don't head in that direction.

Like they have these Melas in pinds, they should have speakers on stages giving alcohol and drugs awareness. Instead of playing patiala peg for 5hours.

[simran345]

And the singers should stop singing songs about booze. Because that's what creates the drinking scene for the youngsters to think it's ok to get drunk and ruin their lives. They follow them like sheep, and see them as idols, so it should really start from there.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

As someone who has never drank, and hopefully never will, you're spot on, brother. As much as I despise the drinking culture that's rife amongst our people, they will resent anyone - even khadku type figures who may have their best interests at heart - who will hope to impose those kind of cold-turkey methods of abstinence on the population. THAT'S how you get external agitators stoking these conflicts in order to encourage the population to betray and sell-out orthodox religious types who've managed to seize power. Over what? Yes, sharaab!

You show people why it's wrong to drink and you make them not want to drink. That takes time and patience. Sweeping in like a bunch of mentalists and throwing around religious decrees is setting yourself up for civil unrest somewhere down the line; societies built on fear and restrictions - even if those restrictions are just - eventually break down.

You are 100% right, its not the alcohol that is the problem, its how/why we drink where the issues arise. Being someone who has/had bit of an alcohol problem, I can easily attest to that.

Everyone knows that alcohol and drugs (especially the crazy drugs they do in Punjab!) are not good, its common knowledge, but people still do it. Teenagers and young adults especially will ignore any advice. Its the youngest generation they should target to improve. As for the teens/adults, while education is important, parchaar is the best option. They need to get some former addicts on board, people who understand.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

And the singers should stop singing songs about booze. Because that's what creates the drinking scene for the youngsters to think it's ok to get drunk and ruin their lives. They follow them like sheep, and see them as idols, so it should really start from there.

Singers sing what the people want to hear, they cater to their market. There are many causes for why kids drink and do drugs, but jazzy b or diljt arent main causes. This is precisely why in my previous post I said they need former addicts on board.

[JasSinghKhalsa]

RSS offshoot plans to take over leadership of Sikh affairs

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/community/rss-offshoot-plans-to-take-over-leadership-of-sikh-affairs/155152.html

The Rashtriya Sikh Sangat, an offshoot of the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS), is ready to take over the leadership of the social and religious affairs of the Sikhs. Admitting that the political domination in decision making of the Akal Takht had diminished its prestige, the Rashtriya Sikh Sangat said it had led to a vacuum in leadership of the Sikh community, which it is ready to fill.

The Sikh offshoot of the RSS has also made it clear that they support the Sarbat Khalsa called on November 10, but only if the congregation of the Sikhs did not pursue a separatist agenda (call for Khalistan) and if the conveners of the Sarbat Khalsa were ready not to take up any political stand, be it blaming the Akali leadership or the BJP leadership.

As long as the Sarbat Khalsa restricts itself to finding a solution to religious and social crisis in the Sikh community, the outfit was ready to be a part of the Sarbat Khalsa.

The Rashtriya Sikh Sangat has been slowly spreading its wings in Punjab, mainly through organising seminars on Sikhism and its teachings and by organising social events like blood donation camps and health check-up camps.

Apparently, the Sikh offshoot of the RSS is trying to penetrate into Punjab’s social fabric through the use of religion and social welfare.

It had earlier restricted its activities in Punjab and was concentrating on other states. But with the growing feeling of a vacuum developing in the socio-religio-politico leadership of the Sikh community, the Sikh body has become more active in Punjab of late.

While denying that they were a political force, the Rashtriya Sikh Sangat leaders, who also met the Punjab Governor and submitted a memorandum against the threat to peace created by incidents of sacrilege of Guru Granth Sahib, said that they were not keen on taking over the political leadership of Sikh community.

“We are opposed to the ‘maryada’ of the Akal Takht being lowered by those trying to use it for political gains. These people should appear before the Akal Takht and seek forgiveness for trying to diminish the prestige of Akal Takht,” said the Sikh body’s national organising secretary Avinash Jaiswal and national general secretary Avtar Singh Shastri.

They, however, refrained from stating who was using the Akal Takht for political gains.

Talking to The Tribune here today, the two leaders said that the tenets of Sikhism professed that all who seek forgiveness be granted so.

“But we are opposed to the way pardon was granted to the Dera Sacha Sauda chief without following the rituals for grant of pardon. The Sikh Sangat reacted sharply and, for the first time, the decision (grant of pardon) was rejected by the entire community, forcing them to take back the decision,” said Avtar Singh Shastri, adding that the Rashtriya Sikh Sangat completely rejected this decision taken under political domination.

The Sikh Sangat leaders said that the Akal Takht should act independently and remain unbiased as it was envisaged by the Sikh Gurus. Otherwise, it will lead to the downfall of the community and the Sikhs will be left rudderless, they said.

[jkvlondon]

Closing all tekeh? That will go over very well surely. You do realize that will make people bitter and oppose Sikhs? You have to make them not want too drink. Not just come in like Taliban. Even khadkus when they were making tekeh shut down was to stop govt profit, but they still let people make their own alcohol. Except for 1 organization.

A lot of Sikhs in the west dont understand what we want or think isnt always in line with Sikhs of punjab! Cant sit here making a list of rules to impose them.

Alots of Sikhs over in videshi places know what Guru ji has told us to do and are willing to do it , most of the SIkhs in India play at being sikh inbetween binge drinking hard liquor and meat eating then claim they are following Guru ji just like the Amritdharis ...I'm sorry but I don't remember Guru ji being that lax ever in rehit