Do We Celebrate Christmas And New Year

[JUSTAJATT]

johny says "new years I don't know but definitely not christmas

NO, of course not. you so sure about being definite but don't know about new years.

r u gonn be working as per normal on xmas day and boxing day ?? if so, r u getting holiday pay rate??

and before some clever d1cks tells me to go and celebrate eid and all the other festivals because I'm not anti-xmas,... well you plonkas should know that the pakees don't get national holiday or pay rate on their days and neither do most others. .. so that is not an issue.

wanna claim and dip from the hand that feeds you then show some dam respect

[simran345]

NO, of course not. you so sure about being definite but don't know about new years.

r u gonn be working as per normal on xmas day and boxing day ?? if so, r u getting holiday pay rate??

and before some clever d1cks tells me to go and celebrate eid and all the other festivals because I'm not anti-xmas,... well you plonkas should know that the pakees don't get national holiday or pay rate on their days and neither do most others. .. so that is not an issue.

wanna claim and dip from the hand that feeds you then show some dam respect

I agree we should respect the country we live in and be able to join in celebrations if one wishes. But we don't celebrate it as xmas, but more as a holiday and time off from work, where one can do what they want on that day, and that we respect.

But it is 'vadhu da karcha', like our elders used to say, as it's too commercialised. And people don't know why they are celebrating it. To many people it's just about putting a tree up and getting or receiving expensive gifts which they probably don't need and then go back to return them in Boxing Day.

It's a good reason to get together with family, but that's about it I would say.

It's the sparkly glittery theme that retailers use only that attracts people to buy the stuff. There's a difference between money grabbers and those using common sense. The amount that's spent on all the decorations could be used instead to get something that's needed.

To me it's like throwing money away, and going over the top. I'm not a money grabber, but I'd rather use the holiday for something else and spend time with loved ones.

I'm seeing many English (white) families cutting down too on the decorations etc, as they just can't afford it. It's better they don't get into debt and I'd say that's a wise thing.

[JUSTAJATT]

in the grey old blighty>>> a Sikh should make everyday a celebration and chardikala day......never any need to go anti this anti that.

but xmas is a holiday so we get that extra and we should appreciate that it is day or two where family can meet, catch up, gal baath and socially gather with gurmat practices and intentions..ie no boozing and overindulging etc.

so why the hell would I say to the gora next to me ....your Christmas don't mean jack to me and you can have the holiday back??

[simran345]

in the grey old blighty>>> a Sikh should make everyday a celebration and chardikala day......never any need to go anti this anti that.

but xmas is a holiday so we get that extra and we should appreciate that it is day or two where family can meet, catch up, gal baath and socially gather with gurmat practices and intentions..ie no boozing and overindulging etc.

so why the hell would I say to the gora next to me ....your Christmas don't mean jack to me and you can have the holiday back??

I don't know if anybody that's said that paji? Our family respects the holiday and respects that another faith celebrates it for their reasons.

But I see it as over commercialised nowadays. It's just another excuse for the retailers to make money.

Like how many even go to church on that day? Very few, the majority of the population are busy in the wrapping paper opening.

[shangrilla100]

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[kazimakazima]

As people become more educated about their own history they start to appreciate and understand more. They teach the right things to their children too. Christian people are more literate about their religion and observe everything if they are devout followers. The Catholics are very devout so it is not surprising they celebrate Easter and Christmas every year with prayers and meditation. They try in their hearts to feel the message of their Messiah.

[dallysingh101]

I don't see anything wrong with families getting together to have a meal at xmas. It's just convenient because everyone has the the time off. I think the more of this that happens (whatever the excuse) is only good for fams.

Doing this doesn't mean we've shifted alliances from our Gurus to Jesus.

New year is good too, because psychologically we can use it to make breaks from past years if needed. If you've had a horrible year(s), it can be used to facilitate hope for a change for the better in future. Or to refocus goals etc.

Going whole hog with people dressing up as santa and going crazy with presents/xmas trees probably isn't a good idea though - but even this can be harmless. The danger is when families start to celebrate these other festivals more than Sikh ones which makes a big impression on kids growing up in that environment.

[S4NGH]

Yes. Of course. Its the celebration of the birth of baby Jesus. One of the main days on the sikh calendar. Up their with Eid and Shivratri

[MisterrSingh]

As partial observer, it's a shame how the birth of Jesus - a notable religious figure who, it is safe to say without fishing out the crucifix and stroking it admiringly, did good whilst on this earth - is an excuse to drink, eat, and buy frivolous goods in an apparently excessive manner. Aside from the observant (who are a gradually decreasing minority), Christmas is so far from what it should be. God forbid Sikhi should ever begin to resemble anything similar when our faith has been in existence for 2000+ years.

[dallysingh101]

As partial observer, it's a shame how the birth of Jesus - a notable religious figure who, it is safe to say without fishing out the crucifix and stroking it admiringly, did good whilst on this earth - is an excuse to drink, eat, and buy frivolous goods in an apparently excessive manner. Aside from the observant (who are a gradually decreasing minority), Christmas is so far from what it should be. God forbid Sikhi should ever begin to resemble anything similar when our faith has been in existence for 2000+ years.

It has to be admitted, those Abduls have done a thousand times better than xtians in keeping their festivals closer to their original intents. Yeah, sure you get some paks getting stoned (and sometimes even drunk) after fasting is over; but what I've seen on Southall Broadway during and especially after a nagar kirtan is infinitely worse than this.

PS - I think that association between xmas and Jesus is long dead, in England at least.