Sikh Gurdwara Explosion

[jkvlondon]

Well listening to the words and examples of our Guru's and then actioning them.

For a start we need Gurdwara sewadars who should be monitoring Guru's house of any inappropriate beadhi behavior or non-sikh person trying to harm the sangat. And as per Sikh traditions and history weapons/force should be used against the aggressor(s).

Back in the 80s/90s in the west if this kinda thing happened the aggressor would be caught and given a good beating that will make him remember for the rest of his life not to mess with Sikhs. It seems the Sikhs in the west of today are very soft very forgiving and very very very lazy. And this lazyness and lack of unity and lack self defence is not taught in Sikhism its something foreign.

The golden rule Sikhs should follow is be kind and gentle to fellow Sikhs who may transgress you but be harsh and fierce to the non-sikh aggressor who physically harms you and your people. Nowadays its the opposite, it seems the Sikhs instead of looking out for the best interests of each other are divided and allowing the non-sikh enemy who wants to kill you get away scott free.

Outsiders like deranged neo-nazi white terrorists do not care if you are not harming them because their ideology is about hating your non-white race or skin colour. We can talk all we want to non-sikhs who we are and that we are a peaceful humanterian religion but someone evil people just don't care they hate us because we are different to them (perhaps race, religion, etc) and they will try to attack us unless they are given reasons to attack us is not a good idea.

not soft but living according to the laws of the land ...education is foremost weapon in such countries and good liason with local law enforcement so ALL incidents are investigated and perps are caught and dealt with properly. If you feel strongly about beating up people you go ahead and sit in prison unnecessarily , we have laws to protect our rights here in the West.

I disagree SIkhs who transgress should be dealt with severely because they know better , ignorance is no defence either in law or in SIkhi . And we should stop bigging up people who have zero sikh values as 'sikhs' like that scummy female article writer who is questioning keeping kesh ...

I agreed that we should not be blaming ourselves for such racist incidents but understand that there are MANY people who disagree with our looks, traditions and being in their Countries but that doesn't mean we should apologise for existing . If a racist gets in my face I know what to do but I will not be going on vigilante raids. .

[superkaur]

not soft but living according to the laws of the land ...education is foremost weapon in such countries and good liason with local law enforcement so ALL incidents are investigated and perps are caught and dealt with properly. If you feel strongly about beating up people you go ahead and sit in prison unnecessarily , we have laws to protect our rights here in the West.

I disagree SIkhs who transgress should be dealt with severely because they know better , ignorance is no defence either in law or in SIkhi . And we should stop bigging up people who have zero sikh values as 'sikhs' like that scummy female article writer who is questioning keeping kesh ...

I agreed that we should not be blaming ourselves for such racist incidents but understand that there are MANY people who disagree with our looks, traditions and being in their Countries but that doesn't mean we should apologise for existing . If a racist gets in my face I know what to do but I will not be going on vigilante raids. .

Yes this is what I meant. But also we have gotten shy about self defense and our martial background, we see fights between a few cowardly UK and American Sikhs in guru's house but they wont fight non-sikhs, they wouldnt dare because they are giddards. That is the state of affairs we need to wake up to.

BTW I don't know which article you on about? can you paste the link.

[jkvlondon]

Yes this is what I meant. But also we have gotten shy about self defense and our martial background, we see fights between a few cowardly UK and American Sikhs in guru's house but they wont fight non-sikhs, they wouldnt dare because they are giddards. That is the state of affairs we need to wake up to.

BTW I don't know which article you on about? can you paste the link.

I read it and it left me cold ...why give space to such drivel and manmat?

http://www.kaurlife.org/2013/08/01/why-kesh/

[superkaur]

I read it and it left me cold ...why give space to such drivel and manmat?

http://www.kaurlife.org/2013/08/01/why-kesh/

Ok thread has taken a tangent don't know why you decide to bring this strange unrelated article up. But I don't anything wrong with her article shes just giving reasons why Sikhs keep uncut hair. She doesn't not say if she keeps it or not she is asking why then listing the reasons/rationale of people along with sources as references. I think its well written article.

[jkvlondon]

Ok thread has taken a tangent don't know why you decide to bring this strange unrelated article up. But I don't anything wrong with her article shes just giving reasons why Sikhs keep uncut hair. She doesn't not say if she keeps it or not she is asking why then listing the reasons/rationale of people along with sources as references. I think its well written article.

it was a different one ...sorry both I read yesterday BTW I am only posting this because you asked ...

https://chakdephattey.wordpress.com/2016/03/12/im-sikh-and-i-cut-my-hair/comment-page-1/#comment-28

This one was reposted elsewhere also

[dallysingh101]

I think when such people get caught the best punishment for them that the judge should give is they should be made to do seva at the Gurdwara and they should be made to attend classes on Gurmat and Sikh scriptures for at least a year. This way the hate and ignorance will subside and who knows maybe Mahraj might even do kirpa on them.

Would you be saying that if a few more of our lot had been killed in the explosion?

[Jonny101]

Would you be saying that if a few more of our lot had been killed in the explosion?

No, if some one gets killed then they need to be dealt with a severe punishment. when someone is killed or hurt severely due to one's ignorance and prejudice that changes everything.

[dallysingh101]

No, if some one gets killed then they need to be dealt with a severe punishment. when someone is killed or hurt severely due to one's ignorance and prejudice that changes everything.

To me it looks like it was only luck that stopped this incident becoming something much more nasty. Thank Waheguru!!

Unless the perpetrators were actually purposefully planning to scare rather than kill. But what if some kid was running past when the thing exploded.

When I was a kid, we used to be running around the Gurdwara all the time.

Anyway, any of us with even half a brain has probably figured out that such things are (sadly) on the cards given the current political climate in the west - mainly as a consequence of their failed 'war on terror'.

It's sad, but I have to say: Singhs and Singhnis, brace yourselves, keep strong, we are likely to see all manner of crap out there. We will probably inevitably lose some numbers as a consequence of other people's battles - but let's try and keep our casualties to a minimum. Time to strengthen ourselves up.

[simran345]

All Gurdwaras should also make sure their CCTV is working, up to date and maintained properly.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

Well wasnt expecting that! I dont thinl ive ever heard of Muslims attacking a Gurdwara in the West, not that Id put this past them.

Im willing to bet there will be some Sikhs who are so in love with muslims, that theyll try to say this is some conspiracy and the muslims are being framed.